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Very good point, did Kira and AA's ends justified their means to getting to those ends? The answer is yes, if their ends were peace my way or you get ruthlessly suppressed by my war machines.

Ok, ok, so giving out a order to destory Freedom and AA without even trying to contact them after they helped you with taking out DESTORY and did not attack you and you just happen to Photoshop them out of it in your ZAFT NEWs Boardcast is a move that a “good guy†should make?? And all your reasoning for taking out Lacus means nothing when the Chairman is using a FAKE LACUS to help his cause. These are also the people that saved Plant 2 years ago. Let's parse that out shall we? Who fired the first shot, Freedom, attached to AA. They attacked Minerva essentially without warning. Can we agree on that? That alone is enough to justify counter attacking. I don't know about you, but do you recall Kira pleading with Minerva not to use the Tanhauser before the first shot? No. Then there was that incident when Kira started blasting away at Minerva's MS, Shinn, Athrun, Rey, during the second battle, granted, part of it was Shinn shooting at Cagalli, but there was already justification based on their first encounter. Again, all of ZAFT's actions after that point is a natural reaction. So, the order to destroy AA and Freedom was perfectly valid. The best thing you can say about AA and company is that they are a bunch of loose cannons out to destroy everyone. While that might be good if they were mainly pummeling your opponents, your opinion change very quickly if they started hurting you directly. Let me put it this way, if I walked up to you, and for no apparent reason slugged you in the gut, are you going to want to talk to me or will you fight back? Remember, if you decide to talk to me, I might just slug you in the face. Everyone knows that Athrun is not good with Words and that Shinn is not good at understanding them, when you add them together you’ll get those kind of sentences. But the truth was Zaft went out to get Athrun, Rey shot at Athrun with out warning and continue to do so, he also fire at Meyrin also. They want Athrun dead, and Athrun was not stupid enough to stay. Beside Athrun was still “Faith†at the time and he can do whatever he felt was right ( the chairman said so). So he can do whatever he wanted until the Chairman orders him to stop. He do not have to listen to Rey, Shin, or anyone else that ZAft. The Chairman gave permission to Athrun to do what he felt was right and Athrun is technically only under the Chairman’s command so until the Chairman himself tells Athrun to stop, anything he do will not consider disobey orders. What does Rey or Meyrin have to do with Athrun's sudden change of mind? He took the insane leap of conclusion right after his buddy got shot down. Chairman is evil because he shot down my friend, because he has a fake Lacus (who as far as he could tell was promoting peace like the real one has been unable to do), because of the supposed assassination on the real Lacus (which doesn't directly link to the chairman). That's like seeing the sky is blue, knowing that the gravitational constant of the Earth is 9.8 m/s^2 and then coming up with E=mc^2. It makes no sense. Hmm, perhaps it’s because ZAFT tried to kill AA and Kira awhile ago, they also try to kill Athrun, they also tried again to kill Lacus, and now they are attacking ORB before it’s supposed dead line to turn over the stupid Blue Cosmo leader. There is no longer any doubt that Zaft is out to get them so why can’t they fight them. Orb was not out to get them and is defending their country from getting invaded. So yeah it perfectly reasonable for them to do what did. If Requiem superweapon actually manages to hit Plant it’s everyone fault, but it’s more of ZAft’s fault for letting Djbriel escape from Heavens base in the first place. There was no involvement of ORB, AA or anyone else in that Heaven’s base battle and Djbriel still got away. You can’t blame anyone but yourself. Of course ZAFT is out to get them (AA and Orb), but keep in mind, Orb isn't the main objective. As for attacking Orb, let's see the reasons why: 1. Orb is part of EA 2. Orb is harboring Jibril (Jibril being the primary objective of ZAFT) 3. AA has launched unprovoked attack on ZAFT on multiple occasions including hijack of ZAFT shuttle. 4. AA is currently supporting Orb which is a part of the Alliance. (Did you hear anyone in Orb renouncing their affiliation with the Alliance during the fight?) From all appearences, AA and company went from dangerous rogues to becoming soliders of Jibril's EA. Hmmm, I think that's a good enough reason to attack them. By the way, what deadline are you talking about? And besides, Yuna's actions made it perfectly clear that Orb was out to lie their asses off. "We don't know this Jibril person, he said." Did you see Orb military launch a coup to topple the liars? No. Was there any indication during the entire fight that Orb changed their mind? Not until the absolute end when two Murasames tried to follow after Jibril, and that was questionable because you didn't see them firing on the shuttle, for all you know, they could've been an escort for Jibril. The fact that Talia stoppped the attack is indicative of the fact that ZAFT has a primary objective, and it isn't Orb, which is essentially just a sideshow at the moment. As for the Requime, here is the argument, ZAFT tried to apprehend Jibril, and failed. Note, they tried at least. On the surface of it, there isn't any evidence that Orb tried at all, on the contrary, the evidence is that Orb tried to shelter him, and helped him escape. (i.e. didn't hand him over, resisted ZAFT attempt to apprehend him) Cagalli's message afterwards can be construed as a clumsy denial after the fact, hoping to spare Orb from further attacks, it's called having your cake (help Jibril to escape) and eating it too (keeping Orb from getting attacked again). That's how it looks to someone who doesn't have an omniscent view of things. Your analogy if I break it down is this: if there was a criminal, you harbored him knowingly, then he murders someone, and you turned around and say to the judge: "but it's not my fault that the cops didn't catch this guy the first time, I'm blameless." Do you think any rational judge would accept that argument?

Just a little sarcasm, didn't you know Panon, it is so written that Kira and Lacus are good. They want peace after all, anyone who oppose them must be evil and therefore need to be ruthlessly suppressed with every possible weapon at hand. I wonder if Kira and company will even realize when Jibril is out in space nuking people that they're at least a little responsible for it. No... more likely, Lacus will say after ZAFT is finished with EA that "Orb is next." After all, Orb, if people didn't know it yet, is the center of the universe.

Nice analogy there. It's not entirely obvious that Apollo actually believes in all the religious mumble jumble like Starbuck, but I like the fact that he is a bit torn between daddy (who just recently reconciled with him) and the idea of having a functional democracy, which I think in this situation might not necessarily be a good idea. I think if nothing else, Galactica seriously need to get their fighter squadron resupplied. 12 Vipers just ain't enough. Although technically speaking, they'll soon have a Cylon gunship aboard. But without any viable manufacturing facilities, they'll be essentially like a carrier group saddled with a bunch of cruise lines and trash haulers with no port facility.

By that time, it would be the DOM three thousand. You know, the iron fist in the velvet glove type. I mean come on, how can people not see it, Lacus is pure evil, that cute little look and a singer at that who loves children, and then on the other hand, she has a cult following with essentially lots of specialized firepower and a technology base in Orb and a military grade factory in space. She's evil I tell you. EVIL. (for further proof, see secret cave hide outs all around Orb) BTW, Seven, nicely put, Kira and company are what you'd call agents of chaos. Heh heh.

Kira would make a awesome bad guy lackey, I need to clarify it a little, because if you look at Kira, he isn't a leader by any definition of the word, he is a great follower. So, he'd make a great semi final boss. Lacus on the other hand makes the best bad guy around. It'll be a major first, if they turned Lacus into the chief bad guy and Kira into her chief bootlicking enforcer. Think about it, she is a people person, she has a loyal following with a ridiculously message about peace that is not only impractical but make no real sense. If you look, she has followers in the Clyne faction, she probably has Orb in her pocket now that Cagalli is in charge (Face it, Cagalli isn't actually in the running for genius of the year), and she is just plain old dangerous. You can imagine if they have a third Seed series where Lacus goes over the edge, and takes Kira with him. She wants peace by any means. i.e. TOTAL DISARMAMENT, and she forces it on people, those who don't agree, she sends in Kira and her DOM troopers to pacify them. heh heh, makes nice fiction don't you think?

No, he survived, see that little gap, the Gouf fell over him, but the gap fell on him, so he was miraculously unharmed.... Oh who am I kidding, he died like a little girl. P.S. Legend, wasn't Anakin a hero too before he became an a-hole? Oops, never mind, he was always an a-hole, but he was a hero initially too I think. heh heh. Hero of the last war. kinda like Kira. I guess I just need Kira to be the bad guy, because he would fit that role better. Remember, any lamo could be a good guy, but it takes someone special to be a good bad guy. Shinn, Rey, Dullindal, etc, just don't cut it.

Actually, it was something like this: Shinn: I'm gonna touch you, I'm gonna touch you. Kira: Get away from me, you pervert with your disgusting hand, I'm not into this kind of stuff, but I hear Rey is, and he is right over there. Honestly though, to me, this whole thing just illustrates why the so called good guys are a bunch of morons. Let's do a visa commercial: Objective: capture or kill Jibril (something that both ZAFT and now Orb wants) Damage to Orb: several billion dollars Damage to ZAFT fleet: several billion dollars Watching Lord Jibril escape while laughing his ass off at the stupidity of his collective enemies: PRICELESS And someone remind me again why Rey and Shinn are supposed to be the bad guys here? As far as I can tell it's because they are going against Kira and company. Since Kira must be a good guy, Rey and Shinn must be bad. Oh, and how come Neo/Mwu is a good guy now? From what I see, it's the I lost my memory, but now I remember, I want to be with the good guys syndrom. Oh, and never mind the fact that I ordered Stella to kill a bunch of people for laughs, or attack Armory One or any of the other crap.

Destiny is shown in prime time - 6:30pm Saturday nights. Destiny's ratings are good without being great - it's rating about 15% lower than SEED and Fullmetal Alchemist did in the same timeslot (although it's outselling SEED in dvds, and outselling FMA in dvd by a lot) Money Sunrise/Bandai have made off Gundam for the last couple of years is - For perspective, 32 billion yen is about 295 million US dollars. A 'good amount' of cash. 319968[/snapback] Ah ha, so the whole merchandising thing is true, you can have a lousy story, a crappy series, and end up making a ton of money because of merchandising... well, actually it's not that much of a surprise.

Actually, you're right, it is a bit of a hangup... to watch a woman acting that way is a bit unsettling. She is actually pretty well modeled on the original Starbuck. But as for the religious zealot. Well, what can I say, she is NUTS. What she was saying: "hey, follow me back to where the Cylons like to camp out, we can all get bombed there." The cylon baby factory makes sense in a twisted way, but this God stuff isn't... at least not yet. I am looking forward to Pegasus, I'm hoping it survives in the long run. In the original series, what Pegasus added was one female character, who was pretty hot back then.

Oh my God, Starbuck is a whore.... pardon the language, but first Baltar and now this weirdo? Holy crap, the old womanizing Starbuck must be rolling over in his grave right now. I know, I know, Dirk is still alive.

The one thing I'm curious about is exactly how much money Bandai makes off of Gundam lines. I am assuming GSD happens on Satruday night there, or is it morning. But whatever the case, I wonder how their ratings are like, and in turn, how much cash they get out of selling off their various models are figurines. Like the idea of using the shield like a battering ram. Heh heh.

You can say the same for 0083, 08th MS team and even most of Seed, where numbers actually mattered. Remember, Gato was brought down because he was outnumbered. Orb was taken because they were outnumbered. For Zeta Gundam, the pivotal point for defeating the Titans was Bright using the colony laser, not Camille killing Scirroco, now, obviously, Scirroco would've been big trouble if he lived, but he would have to build and start from scratch. The exceptions are Wing and G. Where it became the super robot show.

Maybe a little longer. I think Gilbert would think twice about bring down Archangel and Orb if Freedom was ripping his army to streads. 319224[/snapback] The thing about GSD is that its too much of a super robot show. In reality, no matter how good someone is, throw enough numbers at them, and they'll fall eventually. This would apply even to Freedom. After all, Kira has to go to the bathroom at some point. After three days of continuous fighting, Kira: "can't take it any more.... arrrrgh, must take piss, must pee............. cries After a few days, it would be pretty rank in Freedom.

Unlike V2's Wings of Light, Destiny's WoL do not provide any real thrust (okay, perhaps I should say no thrust). The WoL create after-images using colloid particles. Apparently, this effect drains the battery. This is probably why Destiny cannot use them that much. 319157[/snapback] I think you just said that WoL is kind of useless. Nothing more than a big sign that screams: "HERE I AM, SHOOT ME." Heh heh. Correct me if I misunderstand. I think an actual mirage colloid can be a bit more useful.

Imagine what Shinn could do with SF. Oh, but they need to toss in an anti-ship sword. Destiny seem to be a weaker MS by comparison due to the fact that it's power can actually deplete. One other note, can anyone tell me what wings of light is actually supposed to do? It seems to be nothing more than a big energy drain at this point.

They've been pretty lenient as far as killing off characters. So far, there has been only a paltry four deaths. Assuming you count in Heine, and the three druggies as important. It's time to splurge again. Given that there is not going to be another seed series immediately, it wouldn't be bad to be very dramatic all of a sudden and kill off a whole bunch of characters in a short time frame. If they kill off Luna, Rey, Shinn, Talia, Meer, and Gilbert, I believe that would account for most of the new cast. I'm pretty sure, Rey, and Gilbert will go. Odds for Meer is pretty good too, can't have two Lacus, so tragic death there. Shinn and Luna are toss ups, but if they die, so be it. No, I'm not forgetting the other Hawke and Arthur, they're just not that important in my view. As for the DOM pilots, if they die, they'll have had as much impact as Sting and Auel. I like it if Athrun accidentally kills Luna, and that sets Shinn to kill Athrun, and then in turn be killed by Kira. I think they can make all of that happen in two episodes. It'll even satisfy all the rabid Kira fans out there. Oh yeah... Rey has to die too, we'll put it up as a footnote somewhere. Last note, if I were Jibril in ep 42 and I knew what was going on, I'd be busy laughing my ass off. In theory, everyone is trying to get him, Orb, and ZAFT, and he doesn't even have an MS to escort him, instead they're busy killing each other and tripping all over themselves. For Jibril, at that very moment, life would be good. Hell, if he escaped, the first thing he should do is to broadcast an open message to the world saying, Orb is our one true ally. Without the help of Freedom and Justice, he would've never been able to get to the moon and start to using the Requim, and as soon as he is done, he'll come back to Earth and properly reward Orb and make the leader of Orb his chief minister in charge of EA or something like that. Throw in some nice words about how he appreciate the sacrifices of all the Orb military, and even the legendary AA in trying to protect him from the evil coordinators.

Come on, Face Off was not that bad. Nick Cage was great as Castor Troy. Of course, that was not a serious role. Con Air was fairly entertaining... especially since Malkovich was in it. But when I first saw the trailer, I laughed. "one in every twelve people owns a firearm on the planet, the real question is how do we arm the other eleven." It was funny. Definitely on the to see list.

At this point, Neo/Mwu will hopefully not die again. But if he does, they need to make sure Ramius goes with him. The rush to finish the show is a little more obvious now, not so much development between successive plots and superweapons. It seems like the new EA superweapon will debut in one episode and die in the next episode. Sounds familiar. I'm curious to see where Shinn will finally end up. I can accept if he becomes the final boss before Dullindal, but at this point, one of the two other leads need to die. I think Athrun should fulfill that role. Given how many times he switched sides, it's time to put him out of his misery. Besides, one more red gundam need to go KABOOM.

Yeah... ok, you keep thinking that. Kira pwned Shinn, say it enough, and you'll even believe it. Saying Kira gave Shinn a chance to go back and rearm and come back and fight some more just mean one of two things: 1. Kira doesn't have what it takes to take Shinn down (see Saviour, Gaia, Abyss, Chaos for example of how to properly pwn) or 2. Kira is an idiot, and let Shinn go back, rearm, and come back possibly to kill other people or even beat him. Saying it's a plot point is just bad. That's like saying Shinn beating Kira was just a plot point, Fukuda made Kira throw the fight. Agreed on the horrible pacing on the series. We'll see about the last few episodes.

More than one PLANT, half of them being blasted would be nice. The casualty count for this series seem to be a bit low. Time to jack up those numbers. As for the BS about sparing your opponent to show that you pwned them. I've never heard such ridiculous nonsense in my life. Kira's goal is to minimize casualties. Shinn is a casualty generating machine with his Destiny, as Kira has previously seen. So, it would be logical for Kira to spare Shinn by cutting up Destiny but leaving him alive but crippled. (or take it to the extreme, kill Shinn to save more lives later) That would be pwning him, like he did with Saviour and Athrun. The very fact that Shinn's Destiny was more or less untouched meant that Kira couldn't possibly pwn him at that point. So, don't get carried away with the Kira pwning... cause at this point, he doesn't. At least, not with respect to Shinn. If just getting rid of that sword is Kira's idea of pwning, then it just shows that he is a complete moron.

Sometimes, randomly pressing buttons and moving around a joystick can get you unbelievable results. I daresay that this is one of those instances... It's called luck

You know what it was... pure dumb luck. Kira: "Oh poo, here he comes again with a damned sword, oh god, what do I do, what do I do? He is gonna skewer me again. The gun isn't gonna stop him, oh poo... I'll put up both hands and wave frantically and hope it confuses him enough to throw off his aim." And a second later.... Kira: "holy crap, did I do that? Did I just catch his anti-ship sword with my hands? Oh my God, unbelievable, poo, I'm gonna yank that thing right out of his hand so he can't skewer me again. Dammit, why didn't that bitch Lacus put an anti-ship sword on this Strike Freedom. Cheapskate."

I don't think he exactly owned Shinn. Owning Shinn would be chopping Destiny up to little pieces like he did with those Goufs. Obviously that didn't happen, so let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. Kira may still put him down at some point, but at the moment, it's almost even. Now, it seems that EA stupidity has transferred to ZAFT. Rey and Luna are both sitting in the ship while Minerva and AA duked it out. What a bunch of morons. Gladys should be shot for not ordering Impulse to launch and attack. After all, Luna is still under her command. But I suppose, with the super robot show, it's to be expected that military realism will have to just take a backseat. Dom... hmmm, not impressed at all. Jetstream attack? Looked to me like the attack of the incredibly gay trio. Again, believable for super robot show they were running. So, are the DOM suits supposed to be on par with the gundams given how quickly they wiped out an entire attack force of Goufs and Zakus? I wonder how these three will stand up to Shinn at some point. Or will it be just another case of chop chop with Destiny. And you'll note that not more than 20 episodes ago, the Gourf was one of the best suits around; gawd, you have to love how fast military technology advances. Makes you wonder if Neo/Mwu could even survive is his skygasper... (no, that wasn't a misspelling on my part) Lastly, recycled footage notwithstanding, I wonder what happened to the avoid civilian casualty order from last episode. Give me another recap episode I say, we need to relive what happened in this episode next week, so that the animation team can have another break.

I'm glad she is off of Andromeda, that show started off ok, and then became seriously screwed up. I think she's gonna be Fraser's replacement... now my understanding is that she is Landry's daughter, but in real life, she is married to Shanks (Daniel Jackson)... Scifi is actually doing well with their own little crop of actors these days.