Graham

From the latest pictures, I ge the impression that the VF-19S will come with the fighter mode display base and landing gear. I also think the VF-19F is likely to be a Tamashii website exclusive Probably the FAST packs will be as well. So looking forward to this. I f I like a toy or mecha, I have no problem buying smaller scale. Graham

Northrop so copied the YF-21......LOL! Graham

The Master Files lineart shows the tail fins of the A type and E/F/S type as being the same size and set at the same angle. The only difference being that the A type fins are mounted higher up and closer together and the E/F/S type are mounted lower and set further apart. Kawamori's original lineart also shows the YF-19 and E/F/S type as being about the same size as well. Graham

Hmmm.......how come Tenjin's VF-1S Hikaru on the cover (and poster) of issue # 50 has a 011 marking, instead of 001? Graham

The new pics are super sexy. Definitely buying at least 2, maybe 3. The VF-19S is my second favorite VF after the VF-17D. Can't wait for news of the VF-19F. Hope it's not a webstore exclusive. Graham

Unfortunately, with so many conflicting sources, I doubt we are ever going to know which information is correct, that is unless Big West or Kawamori-san read this thread and provide us with a definitive answer. For the moment, I'm just going to accept that all answers are possible. Graham

Will need to look at the boook again tonight and compare against line-art of Basara's missiles, but I would have thought it is the opposite way and the longer missiles are the ones used by Basara. Graham

Touch wood, mine are still all OK, but I don't transform them at all these days. In fact, my never-before transformed Alto VF-25F Tornado in fighter mode took a 4 foot dive off my bedroom TV the other day onto my wood floor and although the Tornado packs flew off, nothing was damaged. Graham

Hmm, seems like most of the breaks are happening on the VF-25S. Could be several reasons for this:- More VF-25S are displayed with armor on, compared to other versions. We know the armor stresses the joints. The grey plastic is somehow different in composition to the plastic used on the F/G/RVF and more prone to cracking? The cracks aren't as visible to spot on Alto's VF-25F, as it is white? Graham

Going by memory here, as don't have the book with me (I should really wait until I get home to post this :-P). But anyway, I want to discuss the internal leg missile launchers some more. IIRC, the Master File lists the internal leg missile launchers for the 19 series as being called 'HMMP-15' (see the page that has the head on pics of the old and nerwer style 19s' and lists out where the various hard points are and which waepons they can carry). These HMMP-15 launchers fire the HMM-20 (IRCC) missile. On another page CG pics are shown of two types of HMM-20 missile, a long and short type. I presume the longer type of HMM-20 is the medium-range type carried by the Fire Valk and the shorter type shown is a short-range version, which would perhaps allow double the amount to be carried? Sorry if I've got the designations wrong, but too impatient to wait until I go home. Graham

Thanks, David. Graham

Bought my son the large Hasbro AT-TE for his 6th birthday, as he's been asking for it for over a year now. Will be giving it to him when I get home tonight. But I wrapped it up before checking what type of batteries it needs. Can anybody let me know ASAP, so I can pick up the correct type of batteries. Graham

Given that the tail fins (rudders?) on the E/F/S/P are spaced much wider apart than on the 'A', would this wider spacing make them more effective than the closer set tails on the A type? Graham

Given that one of the pics shows NUNS emblems and the design itself seems to take several design cues from the VF-25 (the style of vents on the wing root guns for example), it has to be far newer, i.e. from around the time of Frontier or post-Frontier, as the NUNS logo didn't exist until Frontier came out. Graham

The VF-19 Master File is a book. We are presently discussing possible inaccuracies in the information presented in the book and as part of this discussion, we are referencing the stats found on various old toys and models, which might be why you are confused. Graham

But did Chronicle's writers actually cite 12 per leg for the VF-19F/S or 12 total, i.e. 6 per leg like the Fire Valk? Need to check on this. Interesting that the upcoming Bandai 1/100 Hi-Metal VF-19S, has the toy with 6 missiles per leg. Not sure what figure (if any) the VF-19 Master File gives for the number of leg missiles on the VF-19F/S. Don't have the book with me to look at the moment. These days, I tend to believe that the 20 micro-missile count per HMMP-02 launcher on the NP-BP-01 FAST Packs is correct, ala Yamato's 1/48 and 1/60 scale toys, which were designed with Kawamori's input. The cutaway drawing, originally from the Gold Book (is this what was reprinted in Chonicle? - not at home can't check), while nice always seemed to me hold far too few missiles in the HMMP-02 launcher, given its external size. Anyway, better keep VF-1 discussions out of this thread. Graham

I just checked the Compendium and the release dates listed there are also the same: Bandai 1/100 scale VF-19S plastic model kit - released in August 1995. Bandai 1/65 scale VF-19S DX toy - released in May 1995. I wonder if the model kit and toy were Egan's sole source of data for the VF-19S stats? I do find it interesting that the model kit manual which lists the lower thrust stats of 68,500kg was released several months after the toy, which lists the higher thrust of 78,950kg! Really makes you wonder which is correct! I'm gonna have to dig up the Bandai VF-19Kai model and toy stats now to see if there is any discrepency with those. It's also interesting that the VF-19S 1/100 model kit stats are the only Japanese source that I've seen from the 90s' that lists the 24 micro-missiles per leg (48 total) for the VF-19F/S. Note that the DX toy lists 12 missiles total. The Macross Chronicle seems to have retconned the 48 micro-missiles out of existence and now lists the VF-19F/S with the more familiar 12 missiles in total. I wonder were the 48 micro-missiles a mistake? Graham

Found one source for the 78,950kg thrust figure for the VF-19S. It's on the back of the box of the Bandai 1/65 scale VF-19S toy from 1995. See attached pic. Now I need to check which was released first, the 1/100 Bandai plamodel, which has the 68,500kg thrust figure, or the 1/65 Bandai toy, which has the 78,950kg thrust figure. Graham

Nobody got #50 yet? It's out today. Really curious if the VF-2JA gets a Tenjin painting or not. Graham

Thought the VF-11 looked OK, but the VF-1 was fugly IMO. Graham I wonder if the writer/creator of the Assault Calibur is a Gundam fan? It certainly sounds like something very silly and Gundam-ish. Graham

Had something of a rethink on the VF-19S thrust issue,since the discussion in this thread yesterday. All my previous thinking on this subject had been based on the assumption that the VF-19S entry in the old non-Wiki Compendium had given 2 seperate and distinct figures for the VF-19S thrust, one for Space and one atmosphere. I'd never realised that the information in the Compendium presented in "[]" was actually older information that was no longer valid, until it was pointed out to me yesterday. I think I now agree with the side that thinks the revised lower VF-19S engine thrust first published in Macross Chronicles was actually a typo, which instead of correcting at a later date, the writers decided to come up with some nonsense theory to cover up the mistake. Graham

My feeling and it would be interesting to see if any of the text in the Master File or Chronicle backs this up, is that the VF-19F/S/E style airframe, which is pretty much an all-new airframe (more streamlined, more verniers), compared with the YF-19/VF-19A style, was designed to offer an improvement in overall performance over the older VF-19A and eventualy replace the VF-19A in service. Just because the VF-19F/S is suposedly optimised for space, doesn't necessarily mean it's performance is going to be inferior in atmosphere to older versions (especially with the new longer F/S style wing fitted). The above is just my personal theory, I have no evidence to back it up at all. Graham

still don't have a convincing reason or desire to own any Hi-Metal VF-1. Graham

My first console was a Sega Mega Drive and I spent many happy hours playing on it. Games I remember spending ages playing are: ESWAT, an F22 game (forget the name), a Buck Rogers game (again, forget the name). There were loads of other great titles as well, but again I've forgot their names (getting old). Really wish I'd kept that. Graham

Less relevant now, but I'm still interested to know where the Compendium's revised figure of 78,950kg for the VF-19S comes from. Definitely need to do some serious digging through my books and magazines. Anyway, good discussion all round guys, really usefull. All these years and I never realized the Compendium material in '[ ]' was out of date material. Show you are never too old to learn something new, which is why I love discussions like these. Graham