Einherjar

In brighter news..... Frontier reached another 1s, as the 1st blueray disc title of any genre to be no.1 3 times in a row.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-...d-sales-3-times

If that doesn't convince people to pick up the show, I don't know what will. Does HG like spending money rather than making it?

Is it so hard for make a good adaptation of a horror manga? I wonder what the original creator thought of this garbage.

Also, it's good to hear Zuey getting used to the podcast.

Since From The Stars came out BEFORE Macross Zero it can't be a cheap imitation. But come now, let's not pretend Macross Zero is some great artistic achievement.

Really? I thought they started near the same time in 2002/2003.

Yeah I remember that one. With more "Dr. Lang" pointlessness and the chunkiest VF-1 ever drawn. A lot of Robotech comics didn't seem to be doing different things, just trying to shoehorn 90's grimdark sci-fi in an anime setting.

The sad thing is I want to sell them off, but even people on ebay don't want them, before and after the economy went sour. Where the hell are the fanatics?

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkC...1208&cmd=tc

He didn't sound very enthusiastic about Macross Frontier last December, but he liked the EX-Gears. Recently he mentioned it on his last show, but I haven't heard his last show because I don't really care. His style really bugs me for some reason.

An RPG for a system no one likes and a bunch of American comic book writers dick around with the story doesn't seem terribly innovative to me. A lot of that stuff seemed to suggest that anyone could get the Robotech license. Besides, the comics don't even count. They're for a niche market anyways.

Agreed, years ago I bought some Robotech: From the Stars comics from Wildstrom and only read them recently. Besides expanding a scene from the series it vaguely felt like it cheap imitation of Macross Zero. Even with Roy Focker as the lead, it's so cliche and repetitive that I'd prefer the Mayan Island adventure. Being released near the same time, I hope Wildstorm didn't influence how Zero turned out (delays & unlicensed status).

Yeah the music was deffinitly reused (as the reconstruction theme I believe or the Macross City theme not sure which)... however I just want to hear the actual opening without the added mock-tastic sound effects and added singer.

From the text comments:

megaupload com/?d=D7BW748Z

Mileage may vary with the full song.

Okay... the Macross Anthem dosn't count. since that wasn't Robotech... though I would be very curious to here the actual anthem as I've never watched the pre-robotech Macross dub episodes.

Can anyone upload that?

Check the user comments for the video. I think the anthem was used as BGM for Robotech after it flopped or something. BS indeed.

I think its fair to say that the Robotech Live Action movie is at a stage in Hollywood known as DEVELOPMENT HELL.

Development hell = hemorrhaging money?

Weird, remember when the anti-gravity engines tore away from the hull? I wonder if they ever really try activating it before the launching ceremony.

Guess that's a good thing about the Zentradi coming when they did. That would've been embarrassing.

I guessing somewhere down the road, when they get past all the stuff breaking down, it would probably look like the first mission in Homeworld or something.

Was there any explanation of what the U.N. Spacy was going to do with the SDF-1 after the launching ceremony in ep.1? If the Zentradi didn't appear suddenly, would there be additional testing of it's weapons and fold drive or even plans to use it to reestablish the Mars base?

These too were examples of some Robotech fans I encountered. They were disturbing, but not really on the level of discussing Macross. In fact, I dare say that Macross/Robotech wasn't really the issue with these fans at all, even if they didn't know it themselves. If I could make an analogy, I'd say they were like encountering a real, dyed-in-the-wool racist. The kind that hopes the next Denzel Washington or Will Smith movie will fail so they can keep on hating blacks. The hatred itself comes from something much deeper. It may just be something as pointless as hating a Macross fan who really pissed them off and they've been shouldering a grudge for decades. Whatever it is, the hatred has taken on a life of it's own for these fans.

But I have to reiterate, these types of Robotech fans, while certainly loud and obnoxious beyond their importance/influence, were rare. Most Robotech fans I encountered left me with nothing but memories of fun discussions about how much we all enjoyed Macross Frontier. Being a die hard Macross fan, the largely positive reaction was doubly surprising to me, since I was expecting far worse. An unexpected but welcome surprise.

I agree, that's the part of the fandom that really troubled me. It's ironic, because as well as being harsh about Macross Frontier, those two apparently hate each other as well. For the love of Robotech, go figure.

I previously associated these guys with the part of the fandom that approved the pieing and other acts against Tommy Yune and the current leadership. Is that crowd actually big?

Doug Bendo, on the other hand, is a certified nutjob...I haven't listened to him in a while, and I've never listened to him regularly; has he actually mentioned Frontier at all?

I usually listen just to hear him freak out and/or embarrass himself on the Internet.

IIRC, Doug slammed the first episode of Frontier because of the Messiah, the EX-Gears and because they used tanks instead of Destroids. Then, he skipped 20+ episodes and slammed a random episode because of the singing affecting the Vajra. Heck, when he did an interview with Tom Bateman he called him out when Tom said Macross Frontier was good.

Oh, and now the Robotech Masters can beat the ENTIRE U.N. Spacy forces of Macross II. In fact, they would last the equivalent of 1 to 6 episodes at the most of the Southern Cross arc.

But yeah, if you want something that really slams Frontier as boring, unorginal, ugly, and just all-around lame, you'll probably have to check out Treiz on Robotech.com.

Sorry if this is abrupt, just needed to get this off my chest. This is just an observation made over the past year:

Some people on robotech.com and other die-hard fans felt the same way even before the series started to the very end. I dare say they wanted it to fail because it was a Macross series and not part of their universe. Treiz isn't the only one out there. There's dougbendo, who loves Robotech to the point where it has driven him insane. Guess the backlash from The Shadow Chronicles still runs deep in the fandom. If they aren't happy with the direction of their franchise, everyone else can't be either. But then, they're probably satisfied at the likely event that it will never leave Japan and screw with their nostalgia.

But at this point, it's hard to see if they can do better. Call it envy perhaps?

About me:

I became an anime fan (probably a mecha fan too) in the mid 90s and found out about Macross in about 2000. By 2006 I got burned out with the whole genre and stopped watching anime for a while to work on RL stuff. Ironically, I got back into it after downloading, forgetting, and finally watching the Macross Frontier ep.1 Deculture edition in March. Frontier wasn't perfect, but for the first time in a while I actually cared where the plot and characters were going. I'm not one to nitpick if the show is entertaining. Also didn't know about the Robotech fandom until this year, and by now it was probably best for my sanity.

Coming into it with few expectations, the unusually high expectations for the show online surprised me:

-It's anime, animation flaws come with the territory. Remember the knife fight?

-It was [promoted as(?)] the 25th anniversary celebration of the franchise, so expect shout-outs. At least it didn't follow Gundam's model of reinvention year after year.

-And hardcore shippers...