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From Mirage's reaction I venture to guess she did not know her grandpa was working for Xaos. She just recognized his flying style. Last we heard of Max was in Delta Mini-Theatre where Mirage is writing letters to him. Also he asked autographs of Walkure. 

Some 9 years ago in the Wings of Goodbye novelization Max and Milia was part of the resminforcement fleet in VF-25s. So there is precedent Max has connections to get 5th generation VF. 

The first movie is a retelling of the TV series. The second movie Macross Delta Zettai Live is a sequel to the first movie with a new plot post Windermerean war. The movie doesnanswer who Lady M is more on where Lady M is. 

On 12/23/2022 at 11:08 AM, Master Dex said:

While it's technically a Frontier movie, FB7 is basically a Macross 7 clip show being watched (on the beauty of VHS) by the Frontier cast. 

Plus Gavil is still around when we thought he left this galaxy. And he can turn into a bird... 

What's funny is that Frontier doesn't know where Macross 7 is. Like there is some cover up going on. And lo and behold here Max and Exsedol still kicking ass when they should be retirees. When you think about it Macross 7 is Florida in Space! As it has a number if Space War 1 veteran retirees. Retirees that got their Valkyries and Destroids as part of their retirement package. 

6 hours ago, TisSweet said:

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1 more thing...okay... who was making the baby and why... that flew over my head. Can anyone explain that? 

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Well Japan, Italy and UK have announced they working together on a Sixth Generation Fighter called the Tempest. The projected characteristics of a real world Sixth Generation Fighter is AI assist and Manned-Unmanned Teamming. 

Something that is fictionally presented in the Macross franchise with AI like ARIEL and Ghosts being a VF's wingman.

4 hours ago, twich said:

So here is a question, does the group Heimdall come from, or are supplied from earth?

It was supplied by Epsilon Foundation the same Megacorp that supplied Windermere. After another intergalactic crisis thanks to them I can see NUNG want to break up this corporation.

From the clues we got...

Heimdall opening Fold Gates over Earth, Eden, and Vajra I get. These are strategic planets as two are core territories and the last one is a source of Fold Quartz. 

But why Libera aka the 4th planet in the Varauta system targeted? Yes the place has Protoculture ruins but is there more to it? Like exploitable tech for making Evil Series or Fold Quartz? 

I was wondering why it is said the VA-14 was made with a bigger fuselage for Zentradi pilots. Since we never saw it on screen our only reference is the Az-130 Panzerzorn. Then I realize there are Terran-Zentradi hybrids like Ernest Johnson and Ian Cromwell. They are not full sized Zentradi but they are not typically sized Miclones either. So the VA-14 is for really big guys to pilot.

22 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:

Wait, wasn't the Supervision Army the forces under command of the Protodevlin? If that's the case, then the Macross 7 fleet encountered them.

That was the Varauta Army which was brainwashed from the Megaroad-13 colony initially. The Supervsion Army was the Protodevlin's ancient brainashed army that the Zentradi Army has been mopping up these past 500,000 years. They are giants just like the Zentradi. 

Why bother as Macross already has analogs to Battletech setting? The Protoculture Stellar Republic is the equivalent of the Star League. The Zentradi are both the equivalent of the Succesor States and Clans. 

In Macross the Ride Naresuan a Zentradi views Earth culture is the legacy of the Protoculture as such seeks to unite all nations under a centralized interstellar  government with Earth calling the shots. In short a Second Stellar Republic. 

In 2031 tens of thousands of Anti-Earth Zentradi left Earth in exile never to be heard from again. This is a year after the Second Defensive Battle of Macoss City a revolt which led to a ban on Earth of giant sized Zentradi. Mutineers of the 63254109th Zentradi Outer Space Army left Earth and came back in 2047. Kidnapping an idol group Milky Dolls which is a precursor to Walkure only under the UN Forces and reactivation a Bodolle class Mobile Fortress that was buried in an abandoned colony to invade Earth. 

Rogue Zentradi are still a threat as mentioned in Macross 30, Macross Delta prequel manga Black Wings, and Macoss Zettai Live!. 

And there is the Supervision Army which as far as we know the NUN has not made formal First Contact yet.

I am amused that the Siren system just gawk at what Max just did in the YF-29 analyzing it. Sydney Hunt wondering what it is now learning. Copying and countering Walkure is one thing but Max is quite another. I think Max got himself a fan. 

2 hours ago, RaisingCane said:

Is it generally assumed that Altira actually existed in the "real" Macross continuity, but was destroyed under similar circumstances as in DYRL during Space War 1?

Well SDF Macross and DYRL are dramatization of Space War 1. In Macross 7 we get a reference to DYRL as a movie when the Protoculture Ruins came up and Emilia talking what inspired her to be a singer. Macross Delta is a bit more vague with Berger Stone's exposition showing Altira in its heyday and suggests Ai Oboeteimasuka Protoculture plate is real as it was a popular song 500,000 years ago  The Song of the Stars sang by Mikumo seems to suggest it is in the original Protoculture language. 

Around 8 years ago Macross/Battle Astrea disappeared. So Ian Cromwell went pirate stealing the ship and having Epsilon Foundation heavily modify it. Around 8-9 years ago Megaroad-01 managed to get into contact with Xaos Ragna branch hence when Lady M appearing on the scene according to Berger Stone in the TV series. However Cromwell went into a conspiracy rabbit hole blaming Lady M for AI laws and cybernetic laws. Also the conflict Cromwell is involved with may line up with events happening in Windermere. In 2060 according to the manga Macross Delta Black Wings the Aerial Knight were being deployed as reinforcement for NUNS against Zentradi. Which Gramia IV recalled as he declared war on NUNS as negotiations for exceptions to treaty restrictions for Fold Quartz mining fell through. And later the Brisingr Alliance NUNS dropped a MDE on Windermere. I can see possibly why Cromwell can be crossed with both Windermere and the NUN.

On 8/23/2022 at 8:28 PM, TG Remix said:

Remembering Macross: The Ride, Fasces acquired the Factory Satellite the Protodevlin used to make the Elgerzolns, Panzersoln's, etc. So I assume that used to belong to the Varauta government itself. On a side note, can imagine those belonging to the frontier fleets being a source of trading disputes and what not.

I don't think so. Naresuan upon obtaining the location of the Protodevlin Legacy disappeared. With his team SVF-473 Etoile Filan was basically wiped out with Hakuna Aoba a survivor that rescued Chelsea Scarlet as a child. Next thing we know is that he is playing space pirate using Protodevlin brainwashing tech to subvert ship crews. While Operation Stargazer was meant to wipe out the Protodevlin Etoile Filan's mission was infiltration and espionage. This suggest to me at least this is something Max did not sign on but orders came from Earth. And it turns out Naresuan is an Earth supremacist. 

This suggest to me as early as the late 2040's lines are already being made the Earth supremacists and Pro-decentralization faction. Which exploded in open conflict in 2050 to 2051. 

On 8/22/2022 at 1:57 PM, RaisingCane said:

Just how many fully-automated armory planets, factories and other production facilities did the Zentradi have?  For example, the Nupetiet-Vergnitsz's manufacturer is listed as the "Worquli-Quatafilla 755,819th Zentradi Fully-Automated Armoury Planet."  So are we to assume that there are/were at least 755,818 other fully-automated armory planets?

Typically 20 to 50 Factory Satellites per fleet. Ranging from a diameter of 5 km to 500 km. What the UNG did was rob the 118th Main Fleet remnants of these assets.

However there are millions of Factory Satellites out there.

On 8/6/2022 at 6:15 AM, TG Remix said:

Speaking of Zentradi-only affairs, I wonder when and why mostly/only Zentrad colony fleets and planets came to be.

From my perspective the NUN encourages the formation of nations to spread culture. Like Macross 7 is Florida with the Space War 1 retirees and their descendants. Macross 11 are English speakers. Macross Frontier has its diversity. So why not a all Zentradi fleet aligned with the NUNG? 

Al Shahal is an Arab culture planet. An Arab planet with Zentradi... It won't be just the Cat People that Windermere have problems with.

On 7/16/2022 at 6:56 PM, TG Remix said:

So I'm guessing these are either rebuilt/retrieved ships from previous conflicts

Well in the opening of Macross M3 we see a Meltran gunship in the background as a Variable Glaug flies by. Chlore's fleet was attached to the 118th Main Fleet but did not participate in the attack on Earth. So there could be several sources. 

On 7/5/2022 at 7:36 AM, darkranger12 said:

Would submarines even be effective on a colony world in Macross?

 

We saw in VF-X2 Criitical Path deploy their Drone submarines. The Daedalus and Prometheus had submarine functions which allowed them to be air tight enough to be modified as a replacement for the ARMDs in SDF Macross. 

The Macross VFX 3D CGI demo had a sub carrier. 

https://www.theouterhaven.net/2022/07/nozomi-entertainment-announces-gundam-macross-licenses-at-anime-expo/

Nozomi has licensed Macross 7, Macross Frontier and Macross Delta. 

The Mardook fleet is what 2,000 or 3000 ships? Hence the confidence of  UN Spacy given their fleet and Macross Cannons. That is overconfidence though. Sylvie was trying to warn the brass not to be too reliant on the Minmay Defense as there is no guarantee it will always work. 

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

.. all none of them?  Remember, Frontier-era and later materials indicate the VF-19 was never adopted as a main fighter due to export restrictions placed on them in the wake of the Sharon Apple incident, the high initial and operating costs, and the control difficulties that led to loss-of-control accidents and crashes during the initial attempts to adopt the VF-19 by the central New UN Forces.  It would not have been possible to have the VF-19 become a main fighter for an entire emigrant fleet.

Dengeki  Hobby article on it says Plan Fire was a rival to the YF-24 Plan in the Macross 7 Fleet. Thanks to Sketchley for the translation.

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VF-19A Excalibur
The race model that the Shinsei Industry Frontier Fleet Branch Office released for Vanquish use.  When the company put this machine into Vanquish in 2056, it invited a storm of criticism as it was assumed that the company was achieving victory by the force of the power of money.
Even though the base of the airframe is the VF-19A which is the mass-produced type of YF-19, in practise, it is influenced by the data of the C and P types.  It was operated as a rival candidate of the YF-24 Evolution Plan [Project] in the Macross 7 Fleet; and though it is not certain, there is a theory that this was one of the airframes that was trial made for the VF-19 update plan "Fire", which was diverted for race use.

The VF-19A from Macross was based on the VF-19C and VF-19P data. The complaint about it is that Shinsei is using cutting edge tech in a Race as a test bed for their product. Again thanks to Sketchley for the translation.

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VF-19A Excalibur
An aircraft that the Shinsei Industry Frontier Fleet Branch's Works Team developed. It is the favourite aircraft of "One-Armed Aegis" Oscar Brauchitsch, who belongs to that team. It is an aircraft based on the VF-19A that implements the data from such aircraft as the VF-19C and VF-19P. There is a rumour that it is the improved VF-19 prototype that was operated by the Macross 7 Fleet, put to use in the races.

 

Ignoring Master File which isn't meant to be considered main canon. Macross 7 can either go for the VF-19 or VF-25. Though I see the VF-19 as far more economical due to the Fold Quartz issue. 

What is an export banned is the particular model of VF-19A fielded by Earth. 

29 minutes ago, Bolt said:

I thought Macross 7's mainstay was the VF-11. And later,  as of Frontier era would've adopted the 171 . And , of course. a smaller wing of VF-19's. How many , I couldn't guess. But I didn't imagine 7 (or anyone) could afford 19's as their mainstay.

I'm not so sure Macross 7 switched to the VF-171. In Macross Dynamite 7 we saw a Teal VF-17 flyby. Diamond Force switched to the VF-22S. This is 2047. In 2046 117th Research Fleet was fielding VF-171. The VF-17 in Macross 7 was considered Gen 3.5 VF. I can see under the hood improvements make it on par with a VF-171.

Then there are those like Macross 7 that chose the VF-19 to be their mainstay. 

2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

"Operator comfort was not considered."

Because relative to their size most of their mecha is small. Imagine if they had ones bigger.