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I think it is pretty hard to say and depends in part on the scenario. Presumably if this was a Mac Plus type trial the VF-0 side would not be entering a research/testbed model converted for combat. I think combat-intended VF-0 would be very competitive with the SV-51. Also, the VF-0S model may have an advantage over the VF-0A as it doesn't not have the limiters in place, allowing the pilot maximum control. That being said, based on the few performance numbers that seem to exist, the SV-51 seems to be superior, with a better thrust-to-weight ratio, more powerful engines, and slightly better max speed. Who knows if its "flapping wing" design is troublesome to maintain.

Would be great to watch through!

I just hope we won't be limited to US aircraft only.

Although lets face it I stick to the F-15E typically anyway...

I'll just post a big fat YAY! and leave it at that.

Probably the only update I'd like to see is just new animation of the original story. Look at the excitement the pachinko game generated...

I think its amazing how well the character and mecha designs from the show hold up in this day and age.

They really do. The VF-1s look just as good as anything that has come after it.

You can download others, 500M:

http://www1.axfc.net/uploader/Be/so/33054.zip

password：macross

I'm missing something. What do I actually need to do on the download page? I just seem to get redirected to new pages...

For those interested, I have just a small sound effects mod that replaces the VF transformation and gunpod sounds with those from DYRL. You can find them here.

What was the launch date of the SDFN-01?

But they weren't. #33 of Macross Chronicles gives a specific number of how many were produced.

Can you provide specifics?

Mikimoto, no question. Classic, as many have said, and look just as good now as they did back then. But Risa is talented as well and a nice addition to the franchise.

Just a stab in the dark, but any update on the YF-19/Mac Plus mod? Is it dead?

Fighter mode, and all the realism that went with it. Catapult launches, aircraft carriers, and hanger bays. Took my love for aviation as a kid and turned it into something special.

Seems to me Kawamori doesn't really seem interested in desteroids at all.

He knows where his bread is buttered.

I always took it that the Destroids worked just fine and had more armour than a Valkyrie. the problem was they were piloted by nobodies and got destroyed because the plot demanded it. They are essentially the same as the cannon fodder VF-1As...

And to get new equipment would have taken a bit to get out so it would have been easier to get current equipment upgraded until a replacement system was in place. Which is where the Factory Satellite(s) come in.

Ah yes, a good point. The Factory Satellite probably changes a lot about what is "easier" to produce. I believe it was modified to produce hardware other than Zentran gear, but I'm not sure to what degree. Was it only things like VFs and starships, or a much broader range?

It is true that the helicopter and like wouldn't have the big name OTEC enhancements, such as fold drives, gravity control, SWAG and so on. However, there's much more to OTEC than that. "Variable Fighter Masterfile VF-1 Valkyrie" has a section devoted to the small OTEC enhancements. The accompanying images to that section are of the threads on nuts and bolts. Pre-OTEC, there are gaps between the threads of tightened bolts and nuts. Post application of OTEC, the gaps between the threads has been eliminated.

That's very interesting and something I didn't know. Does it go into how easy this was to do? Would it be easy enough to do to be worthwhile for everyday items like trucks during the Reconstruction?

Taking scrapped planes from boneyards, refitting them with OTEC, and sending them out is cheaper and faster than producing new ones.

But it might not be cheaper or faster than getting the Factory Satellite to produce new ones with OTEC.

As soon as the ASS-1 (later SDF-1) crashed, everything on Earth changed. Long story short - the existance of aliens is confirmed, and the application of advanced alien technology is applied. So, everything in the real world developed after July 17, 1999, would be different somehow.

I would say that varies based on the type of equipment. Clearly combat vehicles would differ greatly, but for example support and transport vehicles probably less so. Taking the S-3 Viking from Zero for example, we see it in a refueling and rearming role. Presumably it serves this role quite well, and while some OTEC upgrades may be helpful, it doesn't seem as though using an OTEC replacement gains you much.

SDF:M went into great detail with changes in technology (F-203 Dragon II, Fan Racer, Yonyo Motto-72 CD player and so on), but Macross Zero appears to have forgotten about it, and introduced a lot of real world equipment.

I think azrael and Noyhauser are probably right that they just weren't involved in the events seen in Zero. Having that mixture makes the most sense. As fighters get replaced new ones become introduced. Perhaps the Dragon II (which I viewed as more a non-carrier based Air Force fighter) is somewhat akin to the Raptor as a new fighter than came into service in the 00's, but older fighters are still in use while receiving periodic upgrades. No need to make an expensive swap of equipment if the old stuff still sufficiently fills its role.

What is clear in the various translations of Macross materials I've been doing of late, is that not just the VF-1, but pretty much all of the transitionary equipment made after the introduction of OTEC (pretty much before and for up to a decade after the end of SWI) was phased out and replaced by better equipment. So, it's highly unlikely that anything pre-introduction of OTEC is still being used, but there is the possibility (as the general rule of thumb with Macross is: if it's not clearly stated one way or the other, it's possible.)

While I agree that after a decode or so after SW1 most pre-1999 equipment would be replaced, I don't necessarily think that the new equipment would be largely dependent on OTEC. Is the helicopter in Macross Plus really going to be that different from our current ones?

I agree. From the current readings, it does give that sense that old equipment was still in service and implementing OTEC in to the manufacturing was a slow process. In a sense, the VF-0/SV-51 bridged the gap between the mixing pre-OTEC and post-OTEC designs. Even though the F-14 in M0 was updated with OTEC parts, it's still, at the core, an F-14. And eventually, both of those would disappear into history with the roll out of the VF-1.

No doubt initially introducing new OTEC systems and even upgrades was expensive. But do you think that transition period would get a bit of a jump start immediately after SW1 when so much was destroyed?

I guess to narrow down my question, specifically after SW1 and say the next few years afterward when the world was rebuilding, was it easier to just replace equipment with an OTEC versions, or was it still more cost effective to use and manufacture conventional equipment with possible OTEC upgrades, a la the F-14? Would a S-3 Viking, naval frigate, or B-2 Bomber be in regular service during that time?

In Macross Zero there were several examples where more or less exact real world aircraft and military hardware was in use alongside VF-0s, Destroids and other Overtech units. Presumably that continued up until at least the "Rain of Death". Is there any info or speculation on whether mankind continued to use or even produce existing real world designs after that point and into the future? I would imagine that some units would have survived via the Grand Cannons, but would they have been entirely replaced or production started up again in some cases?

Looks like I may need to throw down some cash...

All I can say is...HOORAY!

Love the site. Love it.

I think the regular version is on one of the iMacross servers...

Just sponsoring the Frontier fleet makes you think how filthy rich Richard Bilrer is. Macross Galaxy is corporation composed of executives. Bilrer does it like a philantrophist. Which is mind boggling his ultimate motive for Macross Frontier's course is to find Minmay.

That connection, which I think I missed when watching the show, helps tie the overall story together so much better for me.

Looks great! Can't wait!

I loved Frontier. It had many of the elements that I enjoyed from the other series, and the homages to 7 (which I dislike) were toned down enough to become much more acceptable to me. Really it was a great trip down memory lane!

Yeah, can't wait for that...

Happy Birthday, MW! I've loved spending time here and I'm looking forward to what the future brings!

The droids are hilarious in the show too.

That's one of my biggest complaints. I find the droid humor too over the top. I mean a droid that can't to three? Ugh.