Abombz!!

It would be nice to have Macross related disasters happening at certain dates.

OK, but what if it's an obvious Macross doppleganger ? Would you watch the Super Dimension Stronghold Nacross ? Maybe.... just to gag myself with sheer lakc of originality.

Why, because it would be lame-o-sexual like M7? No... its a little something called.... "Worshipping Kawamori". <_<

Oh! But those type of shows are so much fun!!

Look at the link you sent me. Was Taylor a BW creation? No? Then Taylor can't be used in this argument. From the beginning, I was talking about BW created franchises, in this case Macross. They created Macross, thats their one hit wonder... thats what they have been milking since. I don't worship anyone. I didn't say Tomino was the guy behind SDF Macross, and you are making yourself look dumb for saying that. All I said Tomino was the guy who designed the MSs in Gundam... which you pointed out was inspiration for Kawamori. Inspiration only.... I didn't say anything beyond that. Close to 20 years ago. First issue on 1987. If you could care less... then you are being ignorant about a fact and shouldn't be talking about this to begin with. Yeah... but none of that would have happened if BW actually cared about what the heck HG was doing with their property. Want to know why it was popular? Its a 12 episode long OVA that took 1 year to be broadcast, being re-run over and over untill its last episode was finally broadcast.. Gundam X ratings didn't go down... it was outright cancelled because ppl felt it was boring and the characters looked too much like Wing. Models still help the interest on Gundam. It was a choice I made, if you didn't want to be vocal about Mac 7... then thats your issue. Thats not what I meant. I meant that Macross Zero will be popular after all its DVDs are available... not that they should release everything at the same time.

I liked Escaflowne... Ah.... uhm.... well..... I guess..... it would... be good... to you... then?

LOL.... I never said I disliked Macross so much. I said I Hikaru was an angst ridden teen, and that I disliked Macross Zero. Now... if to you, Macross is just macross Zero then I guess do hate Macross. SDF macross and DYRl are still my top ranking animes to date. Do I have a few complaints about them? Yeah.... but I dislike a few things about every show I like too. Its not enough for me to stop watching macross as a whole. As long as SDF and DYRL are still part of Macross, I will watch them, and I will come here to comment on what I like and dislike about them. I like Macross... have liked it since I was 7. I like Gundam, have liked it since I was 7 too. Both hold the highest place as far as anime goes for me. I don't need to see a doctor because I dislike Zero..... I simply have no interest on knowing what the heck was going on, on earth before SWI.... it going to be destroyed anyways, so whats the use? What got me into Macross was humanities struggle to survive, and how a song unified humanity and aliens against a common threat, and how that song awoke the aliens to culture. I didn't get into Macross to watch a struggle between humans... because honestly... I can see that just fine now a days. I hate prequels, specially in the case of macross because I know the story that goes on before SDF Macross isn't going to interest me enough. Thats why I say its crap, if something doesn't interest me, I'm going to dislike it. You can't imagine how much effort I put into watching the first Macross Zero last Xmas... you can ask anyone I know.... I was seriously bummed at how it turned out. I didn't want it to be like SDF or DYRL or Macross, I wanted it to be a genuinaly good show, with an interesting story. While Macross Zero has its merits.... it has none of the merits that would require me to like a show. As far as being popular goes.... theres a flaw in your statement. Japanese fans aren't like American fans. Gundam Wing was a success, you didn't see fans begging for more Wing, they just moved on after the show was over, unlike Americans fans who still seem to wish for Wing 2 every night. Making Macross popular in Japan doesn't necessarely means BW will have to completly change Macross to accomplish that. Japanese fans have far better taste then American fans. And I seriously doubt BW would have to turn macross into a Pokemon of sort to attract their attention.

Well, all thats missing in Zero is the other episodes. I gather everything is done... with only the animation left undone... and thats beyond Kawamori. As for no new Macross series.... he said that in 84.... wait 10 years and we will get a new one. As for the new series.... I hope its not another Escaflowne like show.

You are still the foolish one for going there again. If Taylor is soooo popular why hasn't BW pursued it? BW was the animation team not the creators.... or are you going to tell me BW also created Getta Robo? My first post was about BW created series, that accounts for Macross and Apocalypse Zero. You are the foolish one for not understanding that, no?. . If you were to do even the slightest research... which you haven't done apparently... you would find out that as Tomino writes the story, he also makes sketches of what the MSs should look like. He did that in MSG and V Gundam and a few others (except for Turn A Gundam I thinkg). Or do you think he just tells the designer what he wants and they magically come up with the right deisgn? <_< So I guess those models were just a figment of my imagination, right? Heck... I own a GFF Deep Strike, and both GFF S Gundams The Sentinel models were not officially released in the US, they are imported. The Sentinel novel is huge! it would take alot of money to translate it all, plus it for hardcore model fans. As for Macross no being huge on the US.... blame BW and their entanglement with HG and TP in the early 80s. Then you agree to my point that models held up the popularity of Gundam after Wing? Good one thing out of the way. This is a Macross forum and complaining about something in Macross is on topic here. if you were to go to a Gundam fansite and compain about MSG and Wing, no one would complain about it. Now, if you chose not to voice your opinion on a subject.... thats entirely your choice. I made my choice in voicing my distaste for Macross Zero. Is the story messed up? Maybe. Am I messed up for not liking it? Also entirely possible, I have been known for liking bad things and disliking good things. In my opinion... Macross Zero will attract attention once all DVDs are released. Like you said only 2 episodes have been out..... I bet many anime fans don't have the patience to wait 4 to 5 months between each release. Untill then.... my minority will not be as small as some think.

Not necessarely.... he could have the script done, and leave all the other stuff for BW to take care. Exciting news.... I just hope its not something like Arjuna. <_<

Is it really coming out? It was announced around E3 this year.... but it dropped out of the radar soon after.

Was anyone able to get the sales of Yukikaze and other current OVA productions to compare with those of Macross Zero? Nope. I have had a hard time getting solid numbers. But so far, I have found Macross Zero to stay in the charts for 2 to 3 weeks before dropping out of sight.

Why no GP04? I guess because it hasn't showed up enough to warrant a kit or something. But then again... bandai is known for making kits out of not so popular designs. But a PG kit that converts between the 2 would be a killer! For my wallet and shelf space. P.S. So have I.

Nice to know somebody is having fun Maybe nice to take the debate over to PM It's hardly on topic (it surely doesn't belong in the Toys-thread anymore) Come on!! Why do you guys always have to be like that? When I'm finally making posts worth reading (or so I think)someone has to come over and burst my bubble!! Not fair!! It didn't belong here in the first place BTW. <_<

My apologies to Abombz. I tried to quote this post and hit Edit instead. Damn moderator powers.

Gah! You can't tell tales about crazy Halloween nights and not show pictures damnit!!

I understand where you are coming from. But what I meant is that he wasn't exactly doing that for his devotion to the hobby, he was simply trying to have fun. Did her? I don't doubt it. Did the ppl around him? I seriously doubt it. Cosplaying is actually a very fun hobby. I have done it myself in more then 1 occasion and I can say making the costume is by far the best fun a person can get out of it.

I don't really have a problem with it because I' m not forced to watch the entire series.... just the first episode was enough to show me that I should steer clear of it... so no problem with it at all. As for SD Gundam being released in the US.... now that would be something I would like to see. My damn VHS tapes are getting too damn old.

And that has to do with what? You fail to realize.... this is a conversation about the popularity of Macross in Japan not America... so Seed and Zeta being out in America is redundant. I doubt anyone would think that of you.... because you were able to point out Amuros flaws so well. Note: not a sarcastic statement.

Whats your point? I don't see sequels to it do I? Is it great? Probably.... then why isn't it out there right now? Why isn't BW milking it? Simply because Macross is there main and only Horse. Kawamori was inspired by Gundam in general... not just the Mechs, specially since he is able to do them much better. You likes or dislikes don't change the fact that the best Gundam is a novel, and a model book. If you are going to use something to prove a point... at least do it correctly. Without the novel, there would be no models. And there is no model kit called Sentinel BTW. Yeah... and whats your point? That doesn't change the fact that model kits have been carrying the franchise since Wing, as X and Turn A failed to be popular. First.... before you start posting a reply be sure to read my name correctly.... the z is not just an accessory. And why is it shallow? Because I dislike the character design? Because I dislike the story as a whole? Or is it becuase the characters don't appeal to me? So if I give a reason for not liking something.... its makes my opinion shallow? LOL As for being a minority.... the Macross fandom is a minority... so I feel quite at home being one too.

The original SD Gundam is a master piece of comedy. It features all the original voice actors and MSs. This SD Gundam is a hack made for the American audience. and that's a problem because...? I do wish the original SD-Gundam gets released here. Comedic-value and all. Its not a problem at all..... beyong the fact that this new show is dumb at best. But then again... I'm just 1 person, and thats just my opinion. <_<

Yep, shipping from Japan via current methods of HLJ will probably cost you arms & legs. I would wait for the local e-tailer to carry them so shipping within US will not kill me. I recommend US base e-tailer like bigbadtoystore.com, blastotoys.com or http://www.best1hobby.com I will probably wait till hobbyfan gets them.

Yeah.... but back in 79 you were what? Around 10 or something? Then in 84 you were..... 14 maybe more? Then the UC Gundams were targeted for you, the same as AU Gundams are targeted for the new crap-swallowing generation that we have today.

Ah yes! I love when ppl provide the link but don't even bother to read whats in it. Tell exactly which one of those shows matched the success of Macross. You can't? Then let me help you! Getta Robo Go.... the only Getta Robo show to be renegaded by the GR fandom. Apocalypse Zero, super fighter type anime with extremely hentai like art and puke inducing character design. As for the other 2.... Cpt Taylor is very good and the other I don't know. Do you still wonder why Macross is the only series BW really milked? As yes! But you also forget that if it wasn't for Tomino, Macross wouldn't have existed. As Kawamori is one of the biggest fans of Gundam around, and he took inspiration on MSG to create Macross. lol... Sentinel isn't a model kit, its a novel. Yeah... Wing created a buch of new AC-gundam fans... casual fans. Do they keep the franchise alive? Hardly. There are tons of Gundam products around even before Seed was released. Enough to keep the interest on the franchise alive untill a new show was released. Is he? Sure.... but not nearly as shallow as Seed characters and Americas oh so beloved Wing boys, and some of Macross 7 characters. Macross Zero is crap. The characters are shallower then Amuro Ray and the Wing boys combined. Add that to a terrible character design (note I dispise Mikimoto so don't even go there), ugly mecha and very nice CGI effects.... and you get the subpar Macross Zero. But as I'm a fan like everyone else.... my opinion about it is just as valid as everyone elses. Unless saying something negative about Macross pisses ppl off.... as to that I could give a rats @$$. And that has to do with what? America is not the center of the universe... and if you fail to realize.... this is a conversation about the popularity of Macross in Japan not America... so Seed and Zeta being out in America is redundant

You forgot the most important point of them all E.) Ppl who do it just because they are trying to be funny but end up producing a disgusting mess. Yes... I'm talking about the man Faye that appeared in a thread here a few months ago.