Seto Kaiba

Eh, I very much doubt it's anything along those lines... every now and again we get a particularly sensitive Robotech fan who'll come charging to the defense of Harmony Gold and/or Robotech without stopping to read more than a few posts, which generally leads them to leap to some creative, but absurd, conclusions about the reasons people here take exception to Harmony Gold's treatment of Macross and the like. If you've been, as you say, following this thread for some time now, you probably saw the interesting conclusions that bloke Donovan jumped to and the brouhaha he started based on those faulty conclusions. As such, I'm sure you can understand why some of the regulars in this thread have a low tolerance for that sort of thing. Yep, I saw... did you catch my response to it in my last post?

Oh puh-leeze... if you're going to lie at least take the time to come up with something a little less obvious. You're quite notorious for your attempts to shut down any opinion that doesn't agree with your own. You banned me on RT.com for contradicting you by pointing out the truth about Harmony Gold's rights to Macross on RT.com, and you changed SIGHUP's temporary suspension of my account on RTX into a permanent ban because I wouldn't take Doug Bendo's accusations that everybody who likes Macross Frontier is a pedophile lying down. Nobody doubts that your real reasons for moving JT's podcast thread to a part of the site where nobody can see it is because he's not drinking the Harmony Gold kool-aid either and he's still doing better than your boy Bendo. Don't come here and try to feed us a line about how I say "bad words" when you sat back and let Doug Bendo drop the "n" word like it was a goddamn conjunction, accuse everybody and their dog of being pedophiles and supporters of child pornography, and threaten JT and half the other members on your site. You're a liar MEMO. You always were. I'm just disgusted that it took me so long to see you for what you were. Exactly what we've been saying... it's the norm to accuse anyone who isn't satisfied with the status quo of RT of being a Macross Purist. Hell, you twits were accusing JT of being one, and he's never even seen Macross. 's cool. I may be quite critical of Robotech's creators and the more belligerent, ignorant members of the fanbase, but I still have quite a few friends who are Robotech fans... some of whom I'll be helping build a replacement RT board and reference site now that MEMO has run most of the population of RobotechX off the site and turned it into a miniature version of RT.com, complete with censorship of any opinion other than "Harmony Gold is wonderful and Robotech is the best anime series of all time".

But you can be! For the low low price of the few minutes of your time it'll take to go back to read the first couple of posts at the beginning of this thread and the last one! I guarantee you do yourself no favors by trying to pass judgment on those participating in this thread without actually reading and making an effort to understand the topic. Please refer to my remarks above about trying to pass judgment without having actually reading and understanding the topic. In the interest of brevity, let me explain something to you... Just as many Macross fans couldn't be prevailed upon to give a tinker's damn about Robotech one way or the other, many Macross fans have no strong feelings either way when it comes to Robotech fans. Every now and again some Robotech fan will come here and annoy people by treating Macross and Robotech as though they were interchangeable, or running off at the mouth about things they don't understand, so being a Robotech fan might carry a bit of a negative connotation around here, but most people don't care. In order for an individual RT fan to be singled out for criticism here, they would have to do something spectacularly ignorant or offensive (usually both) or something that reflects poorly on the entire Robotech fandom. Needless to say, such individuals are fairly rare, and probably less than half a dozen have been mentioned in the last three or four threads combined. We DO also comment on the general state of affairs in the fandom and particularly the bizarre tendency to persecute each other that so very many Robotech fans have been exhibiting recently and at various points in the past. If you are who I think you are, you've been on RT.com since '01, and you should know full well exactly what a mess the rapidly shrinking Robotech fanbase has become.

Uh-oh... I sense impending retribution in the form of ten more VF-1A sheets. Hey Chronicle writer guys... if I tranq him before he beats you, can I please have my Metal Siren sheet and Valkyrie II B-sheet soon? Alternate universe VF designs? I dunno... it'd make my day if they did.

I think you may have picked up a few misunderstandings along the way... while there are some Macross fans who take the extreme view that Robotech itself is offensive, most Macross fans are generally indifferent towards the Robotech franchise as a whole. What little genuine animosity can be found in this thread is generally directed mainly towards Harmony Gold, who are the ones using sleazebag business practices to keep almost all of Macross out of the hands of western audiences. There's little point in getting angry at Tatsunoko for licensing it to Harmony Gold, since by in large they're not actually doing anything to actually hinder Macross. It's not even really worth it to get worked up over Harmony Gold, since their blocking Macross imports has been the status quo for ages, there are a multitude of readily available ways to work around the problem, and they're running their Robotech franchise into the ground anyway. The whole legal debate has been effectively over for so long that most of what we do here is commentary on the foibles and follies of Harmony Gold and the Robotech fanbase and the various "spokesmen" who give it a bad name.

Eh, let's be fair... the mechanical designs from Five Star Stories are considerably more complex, streamlined, and organic-looking designs than the early versions seen in Heavy Metal L.Gaim, which I suppose is fitting, as FSS is a more advanced setting, and the mecha are (in-universe) considered not just weapons of war, but individual works of art, and their complexity is such that some mortar headds do walk the line between simple robot and inorganic lifeform... like Amaterasu's first Knight of Gold, Colus XXIII's Junchoon, the Jagd Mirage "Green Dragon", and to a lesser extent, Alan Bradford's old MH Apache and the Terror Mirage he gets after (unwittingly) joining the Mirage Knights. EDIT: I just remembered one other incident where a Mortar Headd acted of its own accord... the Fillmore Empire's one-of-a-kind V Siren 103 "Neptune" (Emperor Lader VIII's personal MH) moves on its own to protect its future owner (Christine V) from the Knue Syltiss knights pursuing her.

And stepping outside of Heavy Metal L.Gaim, the MSN-00100 Hyaku Shiki from Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam has a fair few design elements in common with the Junchoon as well, and shares the Knight of Gold's ridiculously showy gold plate.

Sure thing... in fact I can share several! L.Gaim: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/l-gaim/l-gaim/l-gaim.htm FSS: http://www.gearsonline.net/fss/mh/junchoon/sr1.html FSS: http://www.gearsonline.net/fss/mh/junchoon/junchoon.php L.Gaim: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/l-gaim/l-gaim/l-gaim-mk2.htm FSS: http://www.gearsonline.net/fss/mh/cloudssc...udsschatze.html L.Gaim: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/l-gaim/l-gaim/a-taul-v.htm FSS: http://www.gearsonline.net/fss/mh/atoll/atoll.php L.Gaim: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/l-gaim/l-gaim/ashuratemple.htm FSS: http://www.gearsonline.net/fss/mh/ashura/ashura.php L.Gaim: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/l-gaim/l-gaim/auge.htm FSS: http://www.gearsonline.net/fss/mh/auge/mm-auge.html L.Gaim: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/l-gaim/l-gaim/bat-shu.htm FSS: http://www.gearsonline.net/fss/mh/vatshu/vatshu.php L.Gaim: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/l-gaim/l-gaim/g-roon.htm FSS: http://www.gearsonline.net/fss/mh/groon/groon.html L.Gaim: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/l-gaim/l-gaim/bloodtemple.htm FSS: http://www.gearsonline.net/fss/mh/blood/blood.html Those are the ones that not only share names, but share a clear design lineage between the original Heavy Metal L.Gaim series and the Five Star Stories manga. There are also a few cases of name reuse for different designs, such as the Helmine. Additionally, both L.Gaim and Five Star Stories make reference to and/or are set at least partially in an AD era where AD stands for "Ammon Duul". The designs of the various mecha transports, spacecraft, and personal vehicles are also startlingly similar. Yeah, there're a lot of commonalities there... which I found extremely surprising and amusing since I saw the latter of the two works (FSS) before the former (L.Gaim).

Speaking of Heavy Metal L.Gaim... I ended up seeing it AFTER I first got into Five Star Stories, and boy was I ever amused by how many designs ended up getting reused between the two series, even under the same names.

Wisdom.

If it didn't have that Sound Force hardware on it... I'd probably be a lot kinder to it as a design. I like the head turret rather more than the stock VF-11C, though the "double bubble" canopy kind of bothers me. Yeah... unfortunately for those of us who aren't collecting all the various Macross Frontier publications, it's kind of an embuggerance to have so little detail on a character that does play a reasonably significant role in the series. I'm not surprised that they've covered all the New U.N. Spacy characters in only three sheets, they REALLY took the piss out of the NUNS in Macross Frontier to play up how awesome the resident PMC is. Eh, as much as I'd like to see a Nupetiet-Vergnitzs sheet for the 2092 U.N. Spacy version with those massive launch arm systems under the main hull, I doubt they'll cover it in more than one side of a sheet... there's just not enough art of it to swing it any other way. I'm magic like that...

Cont'd from previous post... Frankly, I think you're giving him far too much credit. Did MEMO stick around to discuss his argument? No. Did he even offer justification for his statements? No. He did what he has ALWAYS done... he made a drive-by post where he simply stated his opinion as though it were fact, and, having "laid down the law", took off. He could have chosen to write that over on RT.com, but who would have bothered to read it? That site has MAYBE two dozen active members, and most of them don't give a damn about any part of the site except the off-topic section. That he posted it here means nothing other than that he found what we had to say disturbing enough to his comfortable little Robotech fantasy world that he had to speak up, and that he thinks he has the right and the authority to simply TELL us how it is and how it's going to be and that we'll have no choice but to accept what he says as the gospel truth. You have done well... my not-so-young apprentice... *ditches the ominous black robe* No kidding... I'll eat my hat if MEMO has ever done anything without some ulterior personal gain-based motive. It's not exactly a secret that he's been doing what little he actually does for the Robotech fandom in hopes that he would land a job at Harmony Gold... and he's done some seriously batshit crazy stuff that most of us wouldn't even consider, and that's not counting some of the things he's done TO the fanbase. Altruism's a nice thing to ponder idly, but it doesn't work very well in the real world Pete. Why should the people who've been repeatedly wronged by this deluded egomaniac have to give him another chance to plant a knife in their backs or even treat him with civility? He certainly didn't extend any of them the same courtesy when it was in his power to do so. He told them his word was law, his opinion was fact, and he would tolerate no contradiction of either. Not only did he act to censor perfectly legitimate expression, he attacked people after doing so, to twist the knife. MEMO doesn't want to let people be themselves, he wants everyone dancing to HIS tune and he's provided ample proof that he has nothing but contempt for the thoughts and opinions of others. Ultimately, the only thing MEMO has even shown that he wants is a pulpit from which he can preach his views as fact, and a (literally) captive audience to preach to, all in the name of being recognized for his efforts by Harmony Gold. I couldn't possibly care less if MEMO is bored with being lonely and having nobody to talk to but himself. He has nobody to blame for his loneliness but himself. It came about solely as the result of his actions against his fellow fans. He has made his bed, now let him sleep in it. I see no reason to take pity on him, or to give him yet another chance to abuse others. That's been MEMO's MO from the beginning... I've heard from a great many Spanish-speaking fans all about how when the Robotech fanbase was first getting established in Central and South America, MEMO landed himself an interview on some two-bit radio show and the first thing he did was made it sound as though the entire thing was his handiwork. I think it somewhat dishonest of him to take credit for RobotechX too... because most of that isn't his handiwork either, it's mainly operated and maintained by SIGHUP. His excesses of fabrication and obfuscation in the Macross legal debate threads on Robotech.com and RobotechX were just the latest in a long string of deliberate attempts to conceal the truth, not only from other fans, but from himself as well.

No kidding... of course it should come as no surprise after having me wax poetic about the various witch hunts and wars which plagued the online Robotech fandom in its early years earlier in this thread. It's those conflicts on RT.com and many of its antecedents that created most if not all of those labels that Robotech fans have spent the last decade or thereabouts branding each other with. I've kind of abandoned that as a bad job for the time being... I'll reeducate him later. Eh, they get along a lot better now than they did back when I first got into the Robotech scene... but that might have something to do with them segregating themselves on separate websites and forcibly scourging any dissenters from their ranks. It used to be like the Crusades, now the most overt hostility has quieted down, if only because there are fewer people left in the fandom to be hostile to each other. You're not the only one... not having to deal with MEMO's borderline-illiteracy, constant use of caps-lock, and his insane, blind faith in Harmony Gold in the aftermath of my initially-temporary ban from RobotechX (which MEMO saw fit to make permanent while promising to unban Doug Bendo, despite Bendo's near-constant attacks on most of the site's members) has been an enormous blessing. Now that my interaction with Robotech fans is mainly limited to talking with only those few remaining intelligent, reasonable people left in the fandom (yes, they DO still exist), I feel much, MUCH less inclined to waste my time helping the dangerous stupids that make up the mainstream Robotech fandom these days. I must admit, now that almost all of the decent people have gone from RobotechX, I have no qualms at all about sitting back and having a laugh as RobotechX rapidly becomes a ghost town, leaving MEMO nobody to preach to but himself and Maverick_LSC. I'm not entirely sure, but I THINK what he said was meant to be both an attempt to portray me as some kind of unreasonable radical spreading discord through the fandom (no surprise he's butthurt that at least half a dozen of his site's most active members are boycotting RobotechX after his perma-banning of me and his promise to unban Doug Bendo), and to portray the average Robotech fan as something other than ignorant and determined to scourge unbelievers from their ranks. Y'know, I actually posted something like this a few pages back... a joking definition of Robotech fans as being "Sadomacekistic"... Exactly right. For at least the last two years, Robotech fans have been using "Macross Purist" to mean any person who doesn't believe that the current state of affairs and/or the current handling of the franchise is practically perfect in every way. As with my previous explanation, the implication behind it is that no TRUE fan of Robotech would find anything objectionable about things as they are, so anyone who complains or voices a dissenting opinion MUST be a Macross fan trying to ruin everybody's good time. Don't expect HIM to understand that... this is MEMO you're talking to. Along with Doug Bendo and Pizza the Hutt, he set the gold standard for absurd fan behavior, and he's always been one of the main people spreading the lies, half-truths, and blatant misinformation. I shall endeavor to contain my disappointment.

/ Because that'd be too easy? I'd be inclined to say the reason the VF-171EX is getting much more attention than the plain vanilla VF-171 is because it's the only version of the Nightmare Plus to see serious combat as something other than just cannon fodder for the Vajra to blow up while they wait for SMS's VF-25s to arrive, and because the EX model is the only variant of the VF-171 that actually gets piloted by members of the main cast (Alto and Luca). Doesn't hurt my feelings any that they saved the good stuff for the VF-171EX sheet... it was breaking my heart to see the only design from Macross 7 that I actually liked so cruelly treated by Kawamori and company early in the series. Bleh... why was THIS worth a sheet at all? Couldn't they have just made this like a D sheet (lol) for the normal VF-11C sheet instead? If the VF-171EX article hadn't justified my purchase of issue 37, this sure did. Does the fabled Machida get a face? Can't say I care much about Kakizaki Lite, but Catherine Glass probably deserved her own character sheet, even if it was only just the one sheet. And everyone breathed a sigh of relief... at least until they start in with the VF-1 sheets again. If only they had thrown in a Metal Siren or Icarus mechanic sheet, I would've considered this issue a rousing success... but I guess I just get to keep crossing my fingers and saying "It'll be in the next one". Okay, mildly curious... just looked like a bunch of feather-like network structures to me when it was done in the show... any goodies about the application of fold quartz in this one? Y'know what... I'll take my victories where I can get them... and any Macross II coverage at all is good coverage in my book... so long as they take the time to get their facts straight. Hey azrael... it's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack... Wondering what the "Zentradi Naval Vessels" business is... we've covered most of it already. Maybe this is the DYRL versions? Or, dare I hope, the modified U.N. Spacy versions from Macross II? Nah, better not get my hopes up. 'kay, I can get in on all this DYRL material... this is good.

Copyrighted songs are intellectual property... though it's pretty much a given that Tatsunoko's distribution rights cover the music in the show's audio tracks as well. That is to say, Tatsunoko's distribution and merchandising rights to Macross outside of Japan would permit them to use the original music in a dubbed/subbed release of Macross, and to sell the soundtrack outside of Japan, but just as with the copyrighted character and mechanical designs they aren't the copyright holder on that intellectual property, so they can't use it in derivative works... like Robotech. The only things they can actually use in derivative works are the parts of the show they hold the copyrights to... which limits them to using just the footage of the series itself, but none of the material actually contained within.

Totally, I just had another one of those moments earlier when I noticed the guy who voices Shibas Scotch in Sorcerer on the Rocks also voiced Watanabe in Excel Saga and a few characters in Saiyuki. Really? I've had to look long and hard to find Lupin III... for the longest time the only way to see it was to catch it on [adult swim] at like 3am. I'm really enjoying it, despite its age... I'm into episode 5 (of 155) from the second series, and while the animation quality isn't an enormous improvement, the writing relies a lot less on cliches and plays for a more funny angle instead of a semi-serious narrative about a thief. Pure weapons-grade unobtainium, just like every other giant robot and its giant robot dog. This shouldn't come as any real surprise, as just about anything that defies conventional technology in sci-fi or mecha shows is made of fictional supermetals. It's a convention nearly as old as sci-fi itself. Whatever the armor of the EVAs is made out of, it's VERY strong, able to withstand pummeling from other EVA units, and even a high-energy particle beam-like attack from one particular Angel. It's not a "field system", it's a biological/metaphysical function of the EVA units and their pilots, a physical manifestation of the figurative wall that separates a person's identify from other egos and external reality which permits the existence of individuals. Every living being has an AT field, though I'm not sure if it's ever clarified whether the pilot is tapping into the EVA's innate AT field, or the EVA's biology is being used to amplify the pilot's own AT field. Totally... ROFLMFAO!

Well, he did cover the Majestic Stand in Books XI and XII, so it's not like he stopped to cop out on telling important parts of the main story. Dunno, maybe he's just having a break after working on it since 1986.

Really, I think it's not that they don't understand what the term "Macross Purist" should mean, but rather that the people who bandy the term about like it's an insult are the ones who subscribe to the view that Macross fandom and Robotech fandom are, or at least ought to be, mutually exclusive. It should come as no surprise that it's the few fans who hold that narrow-minded, dogmatic, generally ignorant view that so often give Robotech a bad name worse name than its "creators" have already given it. Generally speaking, the Robotech fans who want to point fingers and accuse people of being "Macross Purists" are Robotech Purists, the fans who consider the "original 85" episodes of Robotech the be-all end-all of RT and anime in general, and the members of the lunatic fringe who want to banish anyone who doesn't share their views. On a Robotech board, the accusation that someone is a "Macross Purist" is a roundabout way of trying to invalidate what someone else has said without having to actually refute their arguments. For the accusing Robotech fan, calling someone a "Macross Purist" carries the following implicit ad hominem argument: No real fan of Robotech would disagree with my argument. You are disagreeing with my argument. Therefore, you are not a real Robotech fan. In this way, the accusation that someone is a "Macross Purist" is meant to imply that the logic of the accuser's argument really is sound, and that the only reason the accused is disagreeing is because he/she is a Macross fan who hates Robotech and just wants to cause trouble. Most people accept this sort of assertion as ridiculous on its face, but that doesn't stop idiots like Pizza the Hutt and Doug Bendo from trying to use it as though it were a "get out of argument free" card that excuses them from having to actually address the arguments of others and concede points when doing so would be inconvenient to what they want to believe.

Oh, there are still a few Robotech fans out there who are capable of forming a cogent counterargument and clearly expressing it in a forum post. The problem is that those few intelligent, well-informed people are a small and shrinking minority in the Robotech fanbase because they know enough to see that Robotech is going nowhere, and by their very nature they distrust the Harmony Gold hype machine. It's no surprise that it's next to impossible to get even an approximation of intelligent discussion from "mainstream" Robotech fans now that the fanbase is largely made up of Robotech purists like MEMO who can't even remember what saga "Dana Sterling" is from, and card-carrying lunatic fringe nutjobs like Doug Bendo who think that their opinion is law and desperately want someone to take them seriously. I guess it's no surprise that my own particular brand of well-reasoned, research-supported arguments would be unassailable to most of them... after all, the Robotech fanbase is in the hands of people who couldn't spell their own names if you handed them the pen and wrote half the letters for them. It's not JUST me... everyone who disagrees with ignorant, self-appointed "authorities" like MEMO and Doug Bendo is labeled a Macross Purist or Macross Groupie regardless of whether or not they've even SEEN Macross, which has led to many of the remaining intelligent Robotech fans being labeled Macross Purists by the idiot brigade and lately, being called my disciples, flunkies, yes-men, etc. Robotech is a franchise that survives primarily on the ignorance of its fans, so I guess it's no surprise that that ignorance extends to their knowledge of Robotech itself. Most of the threads on Robotech.com are WORSE than the newbie thread, because without the few well-informed fans most information request threads and debates have turned into excuses for wanna-be experts to try and bullshit their way into notoriety. It's not just that they keep having to rehash basic things, it's that they many of them aren't even aware of those basic things. That's certainly likely... just look at what Harmony Gold's doing for the 25th... NOTHING. It's MEMO asking, so the first logical assumption to make is that he wants to use it to claim he has clout over here on MacrossWorld so he can continue pretending people give a damn about his misinformed, misguided opinions, and so he can continue hoping that Harmony Gold will give him a job if he keeps working for them for free. Nope... though I can't shake the feeling that I've seen that guy somewhere before. He looks kinda like a professor I know. My ex's costume was Ishtar's emulator suit, which she made from a sheer body stocking and a black swimsuit. I've been trying to get her to let me scan and upload some photos of it, but she's always put the kibosh on it because she's camera-shy and the suit leaves NOTHING to the imagination.

Honestly, I think that Five Star Stories is, by design, a story that can never really be finished. The world Nagano created spans so many different settings and such a vast amount of time that it's really a vast stage on which an infinite number of different stories can potentially be played out. It's called the Five Star Stories for good reason, there is no one story that defines the entire series. I think that's also why the "main" story of Amaterasu is broken up in segments told in anachronic order and interspersed with other stories, so the author could explore multiple aspects of the varied worlds and eras of the Joker Galaxy without having to lock himself into one story at a time. It not only keeps the "main" story of Amaterasu fresh and reasonably interesting, it probably helps Nagano stay interested in the project and help him avoid writing the story into a corner. That he hasn't done much with it lately is a bit disappointing, but it doesn't really affect the integrity of the rest of the stories.

Yeah, I'm as surprised as you are by this whole turn of affairs. Some members of the Robotech lunatic fringe got it into their heads that I was the leader of some kind of cabal of Macross purists, and then they changed their mind and said Macross fandom was a cult and I'm its leader. Now they're accusing me of being the sinister force behind this new Robotech podcast called The Protoculture Times. Apparently my influence is such that I can lead the host around by the nose and make him say whatever I want, despite the fact that this guy's apparently on fairly good terms with some of the biggest non-idiot names in the Robotech fandom. I can only guess why, but the Robotech die-hards clearly think I have ridiculous amounts of clout. Well... in order for the RT boards to produce nonsense for us to laugh at they'd have to have active members, and those are in extremely short supply now that most Robotech fansite admins go ban-crazy at the first sign of anything that even remotely resembles a dissenting opinion. Now all that's really left of the online Robotech fanbase are the blind faithful who'll believe any damn thing Harmony Gold tells them and buy anything so long as the word "Robotech" is written on the box, the members of the lunatic fringe who genuinely believe Robotech is wildly popular and lash out at anything that threatens to taint their rose-tinted childhood memories of Robotech, and a few decent people with open minds and realistic views of the franchise and its creators who are being driven away from the fandom by the idiot behavior of the other two groups. Once a Robotech fansite has whittled its population down to just those people who all share the same views, they become very quiet because they have nothing to talk about... hence the lack of nonsense to laugh at. Something to tie it closed? Not bigger than 16mm... after all, that's the size of the film stock the show was recorded on.

While I was sorting out my big pile of translations for my Macross II project, I remembered something. There was at least one article in the old Mecha Press magazine that gave some fairly explicit tech specs on select Mortar Headds and the weapons they use, and not just the ones in the movie either. I've got some kinda crummy partial scans from one of those old issues that show stats for the original Knight of Gold and the Siren-based Rainbow Boowrays the Fillmore Empire used while disguised as mercenaries for Hagooda during the Colus-Hagooda War in Books II and III. Dunno if they cover anything else, but it might be worth looking into if you're desperate for info.

The episode "Evolutionary War", where Mentok messes with the guy carving the Ten Commandments in front of the courthouse. Par for the course in screwing the fanbase over. In amusing news... it looks like Bendo registered here about half an hour ago.

Yeah, she had my full attention when she was wearing it too... no matter how much I tried to bargain she'd never let me post pics of her wearing it on MW or even my own site. She's camera-shy. You can try nagging her yourself, but I don't know if it'll accomplish anything. Are they still stringin' his partner Seifrietti Weisse along with promises that they'll approve it eventually? Well, just about nobody worth a damn wastes their time on RT.com anymore, and RTX is quickly going the same way now that MEMO1DOMINION has banned a bunch of people, announced his intention to unban Doug Bendo once he gets over this perceived podcast war with JT, and appointed Maverick_LSC a moderator on RobotechX. The last bastion of sensible Robotech fans is effectively dead, it's all in the hands of the trolls, the purists, and the Harmony Gold bootlickers now. A fair few of the other contributors there have voluntarily left the site after seeing MEMO's latest efforts to turn it into Diet RT.com.

Well, to be frank the complacency of the U.N. Spacy in Macross II was more tactical than technological. As I pointed out in that other Macross II thread, the perception that there was little-to-no technological advancement over the 80 years between Space War 1 and the Mardook invasion is entirely the result of shoddy or nonexistent translation of official publications, and the enormous amount of misinformation in the Macross II RPG by Palladium Books. Given what we see of the Metal Siren's anti-ship capabilities, I'd be inclined to guess that it was intended to be a heavy fighter aimed at taking out enemy battleships, to reduce the need for the U.N. Spacy's battleships to enter the fray directly... which makes sense after the loss of most of the U.N. Spacy fleet during the 2054 Zentradi invasion.