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BTW, Myersjessee wins:

Its one of the Lords who orchestrated this entire mess (the "one true"). Also interesting, there is no way the people on Kobol could have known where the 13th ended up (and how to get there) if there wasn't continued contact between them after the 13th left and settled Earth.

Yes, but its the "why" of their leaving Kobol. We know why humans left, cylons its not so clear. They left 2,000 years before the humans did, so I don't think the fracturing amongst the Lords of Kobol played into it (though, the Cylons *seem* to have worshiped the Lord who wanted to be worshiped above the others).

I am not sure it was ever made completely clear why the Cylons left Kobol. Humans left Kobol because of the civil war that broke out between the Lords of Kobol.

Is this your first post in one of the Battlestar threads?

Yes, if you go back and look at those first few seasons (having seen the ending, now), its quite obvious. Not entirely true. Had they not been able to go back into production, it would have ended with that shot of the planet, and it would have been left at that. No Cylon world, no Nuclear fallout, no cinder Earth. It would have been Earth, period, and the rest left to our imaginations.

I am wondering: What happened to the human survivors back on the original 12 Colonies? Statistically speaking, out of 18 billion people, there are survivors who did not leave on those ships and who were not captured or killed by Cylons. Speaking of, what happened to the Cylons back at the 12 Colonies? They had baseships there, troops on the ground. Again, for me, the lack of a coherent storyline and plan for the endgame through the mini-series and first few seasons (which RDM admitted on several occasions) really hurt the story at the end. The biggest problem is that the first half of the show's life seems totally different than the second half, and I am not sure you could watch them all together and be satisfied. It's almost like being married to a woman for 3 years, having a kid, then waking up one day and she's a man. And you can't quite explain WTF just happened, and what was going on those past 3 years. I just don't know if I buy the explanation that all of this happened because Baltar had to be made to believe, REALLY believe in something greater than himself, so he could convince Cavil to stand down in that pivotal sequence.

Well, they did, but they didn't. Only way to get those tidbits would be go watch the first few seasons on DVD. Basically, we have the 12 Lords of Kobol, some sort of higher life form that ruled over the humans on Kobol. At some point, one of the Lords became jealous and wanted to be worshiped above the rest, and proclaimed himself to be the one, true Lord. The inference is this being is very likely the Cylon "God". Civil war broke out amongst the Lords, which led to the humans leaving Kobol 2,000 years before BSG. The Cylons consider the Lords of Kobol not to be gods at all, but do believe they existed. The Cylon "God" does not like to be called such, and I think you can take from this that the Lords of Kobol were not gods at all, but simply an advanced race of beings. Its much more "Ship of Lights" than something spiritual or omnipotent.

The biggest failing in the end, for me, was the lack of an explanation for the Lords of Kobol and the Cylon's one true god. From what I can gather from online sources, if you go back to the first few seasons, there are some vague references to a fracturing amongst the Lords of Kobol that led to the exodus of the 13 colonies, and the rise of the one god (who is hinted to be one of the Lords of Kobol). I'm big on mythology, and I think they missed an opportunity to add another dimension to the backstory while making the plot at the end a bit cleaner.

Yeah, this is what happens when you create a show (and then proceed to go almost 2 seasons into said show) with a pre-defined ending (finding Earth) without any idea what your character's motivations and the end game are. Was the episode good? Yes. Am I satisfied with the ending? No.

This is an anti-spoiler, and not news if you follow the podcast:

Quite a few spoiler shots in it, as well.

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The movie was ok. Not sure I'd consider it a rental, though, I don't think its worth paying to see in a theater. Jackie Earl Haley steals the movie, its great to see him get another solid role after making a bit of a career comeback in Little Women. Buddy of mind tells me he is in Scorsese's next film, which is great news. Anyway, the special effects are bad and the makeup is even worse. The rest of the acting, for the most part, is pretty mediocre, and you really don't get much emotion out of the climax. How they let the clown who did 300 get his hands on this material, I just do not know. I think the movie pays a heavy price for it.

Thought: If Daniel is but because he was eliminated by Cavil. Outside of the final shot of the series, I really have no idea what is going to happen in these last 3 episodes, or what revelations are to come.

Of course he's not dead. Is he MIA and you have to fight your way out? Are they intentionally listing him as KIA so you can work covertly? Interesting!

Much better than the last two episodes. You knew Boomer was up to no good, but I didn't expect the Hera kidnapping.

These last two just haven't seemed right to me. They started the second half of this season out so strongly, and then the revelations and the story that has followed them seem really, I dunno... weak.

Because we still have no clue what the key piece of the story is. Alot of this stuff we've been guessing at for a while, but still none of us have a clue as to what happened on Kobol, which is the real story here.

We know Kara is an artist, and in episode 17 Just sayin'...

Daniel was an artist, Kara is an artist...

All depends on what the talk is.

Daniel, Kara, and "Slick", the piano player... I expect something to come out of this. As a "great revelations" episode, I felt let down. It was almost anti-climactic. I expected something more interesting (don't read this to mean convoluted).

PR is posting this as a "rumor", though they find it consistent with much of what is known (spoiler wise). One way or the other, we'll know by the end of the evening: