SchizophrenicMC

actually the head is the least of my worries. For the most part all the proportions are different then from the actual. So I have to adjust and stuff like that. Maybe if you grabbed the VF1 line arts and redid those that would be great. But I will have it figured out shortly. The nose design actually I think fits better then the original for adding the head so the head is not a big deal I just follow the natural progression of the curves

We has a humble modeller on our hands...

Now, if only I remembered anything from that 3D modelling class...

Darn seeing the size comparison pic makes me realize that this valk is huge . Wait, does this makes VF-3000 as the largest valk in the VF series?

I think the SV-51 is still bigger. Hold on. I dunno. It could go either way. There are no stats, so... And the VF-1 was the smallest, anyway. The VF-0 was a whale. And I'm not saying that because it's the only one I remember going underwater.

This is the VF-3000 Crusader, my choice for least innovative design.

Yeah, an F-15 fuselage combined with a VF-1's swing-wings.

Coincidentally, the F-15 is about twice as big as a VF-1.

Most innovative: VF-1, for all of the above reasons, and for incorporating most of what was learned from the ASS-1 into the smallest fighter jet ever.

Least innovative: VF-4; it's explicitly stated that it had several of the VF-1's components. That, mixed with the fact that not much was added, only somewhat improved upon makes it less of an innovation.

Mr March, the VF-3000 was the F-15 lookin' one, right?

On a side note, would it be redundant to have a single-engine Valk?

Shwow... Gives the old VF-1 a modern feel. Timeless is timeless, after all. In 100 years, people will still think the VF-1, and your versions of it, to be one of the sweetest things ever.

Simple, they never imagine a mecha piloting a mecha (ref to GL). I guess the idea came abruptly when a VF-1 tried to manually pilot a regult.

I don't remember ever seeing a VF-1 attempt to pilot a Regult... They got out and were struggling to move all the controls... Did I miss something?

As for the Ex-Gear issue, it's simple: The technology for the Ex-Gear's control systems, structure, power supply, etcetera, weren't developed until some time in the late 2040's/early 2050's.

Now, I'm wondering what Guld could have done with an Ex-Gear!

I got an email from Cristina today, she's still feeling very ill with no voice, but she really wants to continue and WANTS to finish this film.

I guess all we can do at this point is hope....

Whatever happened to parachutes? I think the Ex-Gear has a parachute. (This is where anime magic comes in.)

The real problem with the Ex-Gear is how it would be so small, in-cockpit, but large enough to provide enough lifting surface for flight. Not to mention fuel.

It's no big deal, Anime. We've all dreamed of landing our Macross in Minmay's Global Lake!

I however was referring to the naked valk without FAST packs (which is how the VF-1 is seen for probably 3/4 of the series), in which case the backpack thrusters are tucked between the legs facing forwards, not were you can use them. also, weren't the FAST packs designed AFTER the VF-1 was already built? either way my point still stands that the VF-1 has an engine on it that is only being used some of the time.

and i don't think the backpack can be intentionally exposed during fighter mode. it would eliminate two of the aircraft's control surfaces (the tailplane's, or are they rudervators on the VF-1?)

create aerodynamic instability in the plane, increase drag, and probably wouldn't create that much more thrust anyways.

to me the backpack's main purpose is for stability in Batroid mode, providing thrust above the center of gravity, which is more stable than thrust cumming from bellow. it also serves as a limited source of supplemental propulsion in GERWALK mode sort of like the engines on some helicopters, they provide some forward propulsion, but the main source is the same as the one that provides primary lift.

Ok, coming has fewer letters than cumming, so can we use the former instead?

They only serve the purpose of rudders, so they're rudders. Elevator control is thrust vectoring and elevon.

It can be exposed during fighter mode. It would not destabilize it much, and would not provide a large source of drag or disturbance. Think about it. It's made of 3 tubes. It's hollow. In GERWALK, that is the only propulsive source, unless you point the legs back, but then, you lose VTOL and the entire point of the GERWALK mode. If it can push GERWALK to takeoff speed, and suspend a Battroid in the air, it's generating a lot of thrust, and could be effectively used as a booster.

Given, the control system probably isn't in the A and D models. And it's only a little more likely that it's in the J. However, the S would probably have it.

And that's my cue

F-14= 18.21 Meters in Fighter Mode

(It's the VF-1 Wolfpack Squadron F-14. GO TOMCAT!)

i never tore it down...I said zero G that means nada zilch nothing....dampers just reduce the load.....Zero G is a statement....read it for all you like.

Engines are still heavier that the cockpit. Ever seen a see-saw before?

@SchizophrenicMC

Watch it sucka.....I never mentioned the VF-1 with the pack on Mr.Multiple Perso......Well excuse me if forgot to mention that the situation I'm refering to was in a atmospheric condition. Jeez, I guess in a technology thread it pays to be technical. I'm taking you're not a TF fan huh?

Firstly, you did. You went yammering on about how the lack of force feedback would fart the pilot, due to him not knowing how his plane is reacting.

Secondly: The engines are the single, heaviest component of any fighter. The wings can be made of aluminum and boron. The rest of the plane is so split up into tiny pieces, they're not very heavy. Take the F-16. Its engine runs along the whole fighter, not for size, but for balance. Only the rear of a fighter jet's turbine is necessary for use. The forward section usually contains extra compressing equipment. (Hell, in the VF-1, it contains a whole, second compressor.)

You never mentioned it? Your exact words: The backpack thrusters for the Vf-1 are for battroid and gerwalk modes only. The backpack thrusters for the VF-1... Yes, it does pay to be technical. However, you could still benefit from a short burst of speed given by "backpacking." That, combined with overboost, could get you out of trouble real fast.

Also, I like Transformers. Loved the movie, bought the special edition DVD, saw most of the different series, am going to see Bay-formers: Revenge of the Fallen. But, I think they're unrealistic. That's why I like Macross. There's as much pseudo-realism as you can get in transforming giant robot planes.

So...

(1) Build transforming Giant Robot Plane.

(2)Fight war with aliens.

(3)Shoot down SDF-1

(4)?????

(5) PROFIT!

I think GERWALK is only useful to pick up speed to take off from fighter mode. (Or vice versa, thanks to GERWALK-Braking.)

If engineers are smart (I think they are...) they designed the system to lower, not get rid of Gravitational Forces. (Red-outs are now, also, a thing of the past.) In which case, you would still feel acceleration, at least 1.5 Gs in high-G turns, etc.

I agree with what's-is-name on one point: The YF-21 is a bit lame. However, he knows very little about his valks, because of one thing:

The backpack thrusters for the Vf-1 are for battroid and gerwalk modes only

Y'ever see a Super Valkyrie or a Strike Valkyrie? The backpack thruster folds over, and PROVIDES THRUST. It's not a lot, comparatively, I'll give you that, and it can destabilize the plane in an atmosphere, but had I been Kakizaki, I'd've done that. (Was something wrong with his afterburners? Or was he just emo?)

D3V, you're incorrect. A TNR needs a certain type of fuel. It's more efficient than a CT, but it still uses it. In fact, that's the purpose of the AEBs. The VF-1 was not fuel-effiecient enough to reach a LEO. It needed a set of boosters to get it there. Later VFs had enough power and efficiency. It uses less fuel in space, due to the wonderful properties of drag. (Or lack, thereof.)

Transformers: More than meets the eye. Yes, way more. So much, I know not where it all comes from. (Transformers=WTF? Macross did this 4 years ago, and it was more realistic!)

In similar scale, these VF-1 designs can actually transform:

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=324421

Hot damn!

A larger-than-1/48 scale VF-1: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=116907 The guy who designed it is working on a YF-19, now. (If you have LCAD or LDraw, you can get the instructions. I have them but there's over 480 pictures that make up said instructions, so it'll take forever to try and upload a zipped folder with them....)

Fly announced she's starting to feel better and is making some rounds on those she owes recordings too. No idea when my stuff will come up but I'm hoping very soon.

Cristina I probably wont hear from for a while. But we've all got enough Macross goodies right now to keep us entertained until this film is ready to go.

No we don't. I've watched all of Macross. Every one except II and 7. They seemed to suck for me. Besides, there's never enough Macross!

On a related note, good for Fly. We should all be so lucky as to regain our health as fast. For Cristina, sick or not sick, she's unlikely to get around to it for a while.

I don't like the YF-21/VF-22, since it's got skinny, little legs. Not good enough for me. I like the solid design of all the others.

Super is not an acronym. It's just a word. FAST is, though.

Anyway, given, the Lucifer is a God Mech. (Pun intended.) However, it still shouldn't be too much better than the 25...

Starscream was like a VF-1 with an F-15's body.

I see what you mean about the Battroid thing, but about the airflow excuse: TNR engines don't need air. They're non-combustion engines.

Didn't Kakizaki say something about a fuel leak, and then say, "No, I can still fly, boss," to Hikaru? He then pulled the squadron back to the macross and Hikaru was shot down shortly later, much to Misa's chagrin... But why the nosecone? Fuel doesn't flow there unless you're in Battroid mode.

Yes! How'd you know? He does need to do that... You heard us! Upgrade, March! It'll save you in the long run!

So, basically, the VF-27 is a God Mech? If it's got the speed and the maneuverability, how come Alto could damage it?

Flame-out on an F-16 is a death warrant. I guess that's the cost of being comparatively cheap. The F-14 was better than that...

The VF-27 is actually faster. It can pull Mach 5.2+; Mach 9+ with PPB and ECA help. The VF-25 tops out around Mach 5+.

Circled in red.

Those are smaller than a VF-1's!

So, why is it that even in space, Battroids are slower? The engines are still producing the same amount of thrust, it's now got a backpack thruster, and there's no aerodynamic disturbance. It seems to me that transforming if your current mode is the same speed, and is more easily controlled, is a waste of time... Please enlighten me....

You need a Koenig Squadron. Or, if you wanna go REALLY German, a Himmelskoenig or Feurenskoenig Squadron. (King of the Sky and King of Fire, respectively.)

Nooooo, I have doubts the online and dvd variations of the film will have that kind of a release schedule...although holiday releases are fine for that little stocking stuffer for the loved one in your home.

when cristina and fly get well, I'll have them hammer it because they are holding up the production and I'm sure they would LOVE to stop getting pestering emails from me.

DVD wise, I could have it after thanksgiving if I wanted to. I got a cover and label, I got 90% of the extras I want to put on, just need dvd cases, and lots of ink.

This will be a limited run, I'll probably buy two blac and color ink cartidges, and when they start to look fade, that's it. So it will be a ultimate hardcore collection peace.

The flu lasts 1-2 weeks, what has fly contracted to send her to a hosptial, and how does all of this add a month to production? Damn...

I may have to requisition a copy of DYRL?... It seems valuable.

Are you printing on normal paper? If so, it'll look like poo. If you're using a laser printer, good job! Photo paper, too shiny...

Didn't the original YF-19/YF-21 can only be fitted with augmentation part since their engines already give much thrust?

If the super pack on VF-25 does give more thrust, is it possible to be more powerful than VF-27 (AFAIK doesn't have SUPER packs).

My idea: The 25 is faster, but the 27 is more maneuverable.

So, you own the M3... Mr March's Macross Mecha Manual... That's an M5!

A Valk could survive in space with its legs blown off, just as long as if they hadn't been. In an atmosphere, I reckon you have enough power to emergency land. Speaking of the "Backpack" Thruster, where is that on the 25? I see no thruster.

The arms are probably even ejectable. Similar to the VF-0 Super Pack. I'd like to see that, actually.

The 4 engine design of the VF-27 means that if it loses its legs, it's performance is hindered, but it still outperforms any other valk with no legs. (Hypothetically, a FAST Pack equipped VF could still work, legless, though the VF-1's was unusable in an atmosphere...)

VF-0D

VF-0C (It's only a model, but I like it...)

VF-4

VF-11

VF-1 Atmosphreric Booster 1/48 (That'd be like 3 feet long!)

VF-19 (I'm getting sick of the Alpha-one paint scheme)

VF-25

VF-27

VF-171

VF-171EX

Super Packs for the 25-171EX

Full Armor for the 25

FAST Packs for everything else. (Save for the VF-0. It never had FAST.)

Monster Mk. I 1/48

Monster Mk. II 1/48

VB-6 Koenig Monster 1/48 (Seein' a pattern here?)

I'd be cautious. I'm not sure if Kawamori and Co. have officially adopted that element into the post-VF-15 Valkyries. This tech lacks any kind of mention beyond the entry on the compendium and for all we know it could be another dead-tech, like BDI/BDS.

Personally, I think micro-gravity control would be the next step in g-force counter technologies. Macross already uses gravity control on ships, so if it's miniaturized like fold engines, it seems a fairly likely candidate.

My sentiments, exactly. So, Mr March, you get all of your VF stats from the M3?

VF-27 It-would-be-a-God-Mech-but-it's-not-the-good-guy's-plane

Yeah, but the loss of an arm doesn't (Generally) destroy its flight capabilities. (Though, for balance, you may have to eject the other arm...)

Yeah, IsamuAvvie laughs at "Gulded."

Anyway, an anti-gravity generator would (As it seems do do on the Macross*) create a bubble of gravity. (Or lack thereof.) This bubble would retain the gravity within it, and could be adjusted by the flight computer. The plane detects higher G-load, it increases the AG power. As for the scientist with Leon, I think he's just misinformed as to the VF-25's capabilities. G-LOC isn't the issue, because it's recoverable to an extent. G-LOC doesn't kill you, you not waking up before SMACK! does. The G-load on the YF-21 was so great, Guld got... Gulded. This is way beyond G-LOC.

*It's a scientific explanation for why Valks had to be catapulted and they all went down after leaving the Prometheus's deck, though they were in space. It creates a bubble of gravity, with the force collectively moving towards the bottom of the craft. It also explains everything falling while it transforms.