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Not really apocalyptic, but 12 Monkeys, Brazil (both Gilliam I know), and the first 2 Terminator films come to mind...I try to forget the last 2.

dam i forgot how many apocalyptic movies are there are. Yeah 12 monkeys was good too. Terminator i wouldnt call great but good too. And the last M Night Shyamalan about plants killing humanity off

Off the top...

I thought 28 Days Later and I Am Legend were good for modern survival horror movies. The Quiet Earth is slow but good. Threads is gut-wrenching. Children of Men starts slow but improves (not sure it counts as post-apocalyptic though). Day of the Triffids (mini-series or movie) I liked but haven't seen in decades. I've heard good things about Survivors (mini-series) but haven't watched it yet.

Does Macross: Do You Remember Love? count? Probably not...

oh yeah forgot i am legend. Another excellent movie....and yeah i would count do you remember love but its really at the end you find humanity and earth are leveled same thing in BSG

The Departed wasn't a rip-off, it was an adaptation. The US Studio PAID to adapt the story. Completely different situation.

I will agree with you that the Hong Kong version was better, though.

not to veer of topic but i didnt know they paid and im glad they did. But I remember reading in our own local paper that there was a dispute between the producers and the makers of Mugando and The Departed saying tha their film was different. I dont know how different it is since the ending elevator scense is EXACTLY like Mugando. And Mugando at least had the creativeness to have three volumes where the departed tried to squeeze everything in 120min.

back on topic.

About the toys. I dont care if the toys look awesome Im not supporting a franchise ripoff where the original Macross franchise has rewarded us with all kinds of Valks.

I usually like a serious Movie about a future where humanity is under strain by some unknown force

Zombie movies for me are a real bore

2012 like movies are unrealistic

Asteroid movies can be done right but hollywood has done a piss poor job.

The Core was a Fun ride.....

One I liked was 2009's Knowing until they introduced the feel good alien saves part of the Human race factor. I like watching the struggle of acceptance of final destination. The scene where the protagonist goes to see his father and hugs everyone until they are turned into plasma.

Well one really had me deep in thought and I swear I thought I was choking on my heart was The Road. At first I thought it was another funny silly Zombie movie making an attempt at being serious.

Well I was pleasantly surprised that it turned out so good. I like that fact you dont know what is or has caused the Global Catastrophe. Throughout the movie you get the feeling that the global pandemic is haunting the last bits of humanity. The coloring and the scenes are so real. You feel for the father and boy. When Viggo Mortensen toss his ring over the bridge you feel the anger and hopelessness both at the same time. Dialogue was scarce but I think that made the film all the better. One of the best purchases of 2009.

I know I will be spammed for saying this but truth be told.

The modern Chinese are shameless in copying other peoples ideas and work.

I think I would have been ok if they called it Macross V2 in respect to the people who created it. S.H.A.M.E.L.E.S.S.

Dont get me wrong I have made comments on the flipside when when the departed was a total ripoff of Mugando which was better anyway

Got mine a few days ago, anybody have problems with the waist joint? Mine was super, SUPER tight... It was a big pain in the ass to transform back and forth. Also one of my cannons was pretty bent, besides that I love this toy.

Bent cannon:

wow what a nice toy. Still holding myself back for a bit to hear if they will release a darker version. BTW who here has seen the Jan 2010 Dengeki scans of yammies giant sdf-1 wow amazing. If they can make the same colors for the Mac quarter that would make it 100% perfect

One thing...the hands look a little out of scale

didnt scan through the thread to see if its been said.

I see one major problem with the KK movie.

Shouldnt this film be called Shaolin Kung Fu Kid

i think we as humanity have reached the apex of story telling.

why you nerf herder

never tell me the odds

prepare for lightspeed

we arnt in kansas anymore

you are the one

engage

set phasers on stun

prepare to die

I haven't seen the film yet so I can't judge it, but I do hate that James Cameron is selling it as this original story he has for years. Its painfully obvious that Avatar was very much inspired by Paul Anderson's "Call Me Joe," which I don't have a problem with at all. What I am dispointed about is that James Cameron won't even acknowledge the influence Paul Anderson's work had on Avatar at all and refuses to give the guy even a line in the credits. I mean if I had made a blockbuster hit like Avatar I would be publicly thanking every inspiration I could think, giving them private screenings, bring them to Hollywood parties, etc not claiming that I am some sort of origianl genius that happened to think up the same thing by coincidence.

Call Me Joe (1957) is a science fiction story by Poul Anderson. It is the story of an attempt to explore the surface of the planet Jupiter using remotely controlled artificial life-forms. It focuses on the feelings of the disabled man who operates the artificial body.

The Science Fiction Writers of America selected Call Me Joe for The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Volume Two.

Contents

* 1 Plot summary

* 2 Scientific background

* 3 In popular culture

* 4 References

* 5 External links

[edit] Plot summary

Joe is awakened in his den, when a pack of predators is attacking him. Using his great strength, and weapons made from sculpted ice, he kills the animals and, exultant, bays at the moon above him. A vital component shorts out, and "Joe" reverts to being a human, Ed Anglesey, wearing a special headset on a space station orbiting Jupiter. Anglesey furiously repairs the equipment to restore the connection.

It transpires that such equipment failures are happening more and more often. All technical attempts at repair have failed, and instead a psionics expert, Cornelius, is brought to the station to determine if Anglesey himself is the problem.

Anglesey uses a wheelchair and is bad-tempered. He dislikes all his colleagues and is disliked in return. He is allowed to stay on the station only because of his ability to establish a telepathic connection with and thereby control Joe, a creature designed to survive the hostile conditions on the Jovian surface. Cornelius conjectures that something in Anglesey's mind rejects or fears Jupiter, and the resulting feedback keeps destroying the delicate equipment.

Eventually Cornelius is allowed to share a session with Anglesey during an important part of the mission. A set of autonomous female Jovians, similar to Joe but lacking a human controller such as Anglesey, has been launched from the satellite and will soon land on Jupiter. Joe, still controlled by Anglesey, is to be the leader, and father, of a new race that will live on the planet. During this session, Cornelius becomes aware of a third mind – that of Joe himself. Anglesey's mind has been steadily transforming itself into Joe and shrinking in the process. Cornelius was looking at the problem from the wrong end – it was not Anglesey's fear of going to Jupiter and becoming sublimated into Joe's stronger character which was causing the blowouts, but his fear of leaving Jupiter and the freedom Joe's whole and healthy, though non-human, body allows him. Anglesey's existence is poor and constricted compared to Joe's, and the environment has shaped a personality that no longer wants to be human.

Seeing himself from Cornelius's perspective, Joe becomes fully self-aware. He ejects Cornelius from the loop and shuts down what is left of Anglesey.

Cornelius revives on the station next to the hollow shell of Anglesey's body. Far from being dismayed, Cornelius realizes that this is the way of the future. From now on people with diseased bodies and even the aged can be recruited for the Jovian program if they have the necessary talents. Eventually they will leave their bodies behind and become Jovians in the flesh, functioning as the priesthood of the new race.

[edit] Scientific background

At the time the story was written, conditions on Jupiter were not well known, although measurements of the planet's mass had revealed that it must consist largely of gases. Call Me Joe posits a surface at very low temperatures and exceptionally high pressures. Under these conditions ice is a hard solid and methane a liquid, where both native and human-created life can survive. However, based on subsequent observations from space probes it is believed (as of 2005) that the solid core of the planet is surrounded by regions of high pressure and temperature that would make any life, as we know it, impossible.

bootleg Bandai China...

yeah its called TT HongLi

Look, its totally different. The nose of the fighter splits open when its in Battroid .....(uh, sorry)...... Robot mode!

And all robots are direct steals from Rossums Universal Robots anyway!! (Karel Čapek is almost exactly the same as Carl Macek, go figure......)

Taksraven

that picture reminds me of this

http://tfu.info/1998/Destron/Stascream/robotmode.jpg

wow

i though i was going to learn about some new movie about astro boy

...

I'm a firm believer that public criticism needs to be supported by constructive solution. Example, if someone knows how to have done the Avatar script and dialog better, than please submit your version to strengthen your case.

With the actual film aside, my minor disappointment with the film was the lack of high end collector's merchandise. Aside from the Avatar diary and art book, what else is there that's a decent buy?

i promised my self not to keep this thread alive .....why wont it just die!!

anyhoo, for the past 6 years i have been working on two books one non fiction the other fiction. both are slllllooooooowwwwwww progress because you know life and you need to take care of that first. a couple of years ago i took the first 250 pages of my fictional work to an editor friend of mine. now its not scifi but more like a martial arts story based on some history and a dab of fantasy. editor got back to me and told me it was a great story but its more suitable to be translated into a script and he gave me software that does just that. now sorry to say i am only ahead another 60 pages cause i just dont know how to shorten the story. i planned three volumes but who knows yet. writing to me comes in spurts too. anyhoo if it gets finished and it does get through all the editing and maybe it does get translated into screenplay and i make my first million i will make an avatar movie that will please both the visual techie nuts and the folks who like a more involved story baring in mind its still scifi

but i think that is a unfair comment. people can be critical but lack the know how to a solution. Just because there is no visible immediate answer to a problem doesnt mean that that is the correct solution in question not merit to critisim.

Well, y'know, nothing you're asking is exactly new information. Use google and check out other places and you'll find tons of resources about the exact thing you want to do.

sure but i prefer to hear it from folks here if i have your permission to do that......i know eugimon also paints his kits and with so many different view points i want to make sure i dont destroy a 300 model kt

i saw clash of the titans mentioned cant wait i love giant scorpions and chicks with tails and snakes for hair

im no good at mythos stuff so no debates from me

seriously tho i didnt like the movie i hope that putting cg above everything else in a movie doesnt become a trend

and with that not to piss off the sensitive types is that last i will say about avatar

You could get some man pants.

wow really thanks man that was great advice

Lol. What load of crock. It's a case of kettle meet pot. You have nothing better to do but insult people for liking the movie and so when I turn it around I knew you would play victim. But you barely even discuss the movie. You talk more about your "near credentials". And then when you can't think of anything to say you tell me tonswallow my tongue. There's where your maturity stands.

and your still going........your like the energizer bunny. I never insulted anyone for liking the movie. If people like chocolate covered poo so be it. its my freedom to say its chocolate covered poo

and people have a right to ask why i think its chocolate covered poo and maybe sometimes you find people can agree.

thats not insulting people. But since your insulting me now i will throw some back at you i gave my opinion of the movie and the reasons why i didnt like it. many reasons would you like me to list them for you. Im sure i dont have to because i know your going to waste time looking for some far off thing i commented and misrepresent it so you can feel in some way superior about yourself and then come back and try to argue and harass me some more. i never harassed anybody about the movie. i debate back and forth about their idea of the movie. and why all the farting angst. its a movie with no real moral point to further discussion on rather than the science. you earlier commented on me not liking the movie before i seen it. sure why not thats what trailers are for. same goes for rotf and i gave wolverine a chance even tho the trailers fooled me there it was crap. i never said this movie sucked after i saw it. people are allowed to change their minds. waiting for some smart ass rebuttel.......

but i will go back to say what i have always said about the movie. the special affects were good. but not good enough to tie me to the characters which is why i see a film. gimmicks like 3d if you really think about are pretty stupid. if you have to make a conscientious effort to forget about your present surroundings and be in the film an alice in wonderland syndrome than whats the point. glowing lights cool i like glowing lights on my new laptop but does it have substance.

then i post links of news articles about the movie and your point was a punch at me not the comments which i share with the people.. i guess by your definition they are all stupid.

so we dont like each other np. beauty of freedom. ill refrain from posting on your opinions you back off on harassing me

ps and dont get all delusional and think just cause your a mod on a website devoted to macross that you can push your weight around and act like some sort of dictator and think you can comment on peoples viewpoints and perspectives without debating on what those viewpoints are or even expressing some interest to further understand board members

one more thing. your supposed act impartial as a mod. if you want to act as moderator you cant actively participate in biased discussion for members would then fear retribution. You want to participate in debate give up your status as a mod

What?

If there's a lot of crap in the air that things can eat, then no, I don't think it's far fetched at all that similar structures and behaviours would emerge. Convergent evolution, similar solutions given similar circumstances and problems.

And I have no idea about the gas giants. I know we've found more than a few and that they tend to be closer to their suns than our gas giants are in relation to our sun but given that the humans on Pandora can walk around without environmental suits, the planet would have to be at a point that's similar in relationship to where earth is to our sun. So given that, why couldn't flora develop on such a world?

The moons around Jupiter are frozen balls of gas and liquid because of their distance from the sun, not because they orbit a gas giant. The gas giant doesn't magically suck all the heat from an orbiting body.

yes i do believe in convergence but to what degree. I wish you guys watched that special on alien life on alien worlds that brought together specialists from astrophysicists to biologists to understand what I am talking about. On pandora camerons version of life was a bunch of chimeras. A horse butterfly that galloped and grunted like a real horse would. The animal motions mimicked movement of animals here on earth. Convergence on that scale i dont think is possible. I liked the creatures from the movie enemy mine. Even the latest star trek had some original animal life a worm with legs. Not a polar bear with four legs etc etc. The only thing i can credit cameron on is the flora. Excellent work was done in that respect. And I did like the idea that there was a neural network by the trees that would border on intelligent life.

the moons around our own Jupiter are volatile due to the gravity of the gas giant. Actually gas giants generate subdural friction within the moons to generate heat. There are gas giants that have been ejected from their solar orbits and are free floating with moons possible to generate heat by friction but i dont think there is even one discovery of a Jupiter in the green zone with moons that would support life. Gas giant moons are in constant flux because of its orbit i think miranda is one example that comes to mind. No pandora would have to be earth like in orbit and the same distance from its parent star in relation to the type of star it is

The guy never has a point, his reply is always... " I see what your saying but here's how smart I am by spouting nothing that has to do with anything..."

Maybe watching the movie would help and by that I don't mean sitting on your computer while your downloaded video is running as you surf the web.

Whatever man... I'm done with the guy... keep posting your "impressive" knowledge about film, fauna and flora, maybe insult me a little here and there... you're pointless.

thats right cause your opinion is always correct and anyone that disagrees with you feel the urge to insult and pretend you know everything by claiming i know nothing. diddo i have tried not responding to you but you too have nothing better to do but continue to harass me instead of discuss and debate.

not sure what your point is. Pandora has a lower gravity than earth, hence the giant life forms. Those deep sea creatures live near the plumes because that's the only source of energy at those depths.

And we already know life can survive frozen in ice. Researchers have found, thawed and brought back to life little bacteria found in ice and they've found life in the middle of salt mines buried miles beneath the surface. So your prediction is a bit like predicting that gravity will still be in effect tomorrow.

As for the "plausibility" of the atmosphere argument, that actually holds up to what's shown in the movie. Lots of the "vegetation" shown in the movie is just scaled up stuff you find in coral reefs like the giant christmas worms Jake plays with before being charged by that hammerhead rhino thing. So for something to grow that big via filter feeding junk out of the air, there must be a lot of stuff in it.

Oddly though, on earth, those filter feeding organisms evolved because those reef environments are devoid of nutrition so between the symbiotic relationship coral has with zooxanthellae and their filter feeding mechanisms they thrive. Carnivorous plants similarly are found in environments where the ground is low in nutrients. Pandora doesn't really seem to have that problem though, so I'm curious as to what reason there would be for such massive filter feeding organisms to evolve.

And we already know life can survive frozen in ice. Researchers have found, thawed and brought back to life little bacteria found in ice and they've found life in the middle of salt mines buried miles beneath the surface. So your prediction is a bit like predicting that gravity will still be in effect tomorrow.

yes i know this but my comment was to the stuff they didnt find yet.

As for the "plausibility" of the atmosphere argument, that actually holds up to what's shown in the movie. Lots of the "vegetation" shown in the movie is just scaled up stuff you find in coral reefs like the giant christmas worms Jake plays with before being charged by that hammerhead rhino thing. So for something to grow that big via filter feeding junk out of the air, there must be a lot of stuff in it. -> was that ever explained in the movie? I dont remember or are you postulating? Do you consider trees to be filter feeders? It seemed to me the flora were more fungel in nature which feed more on decaying matter then photosynthesis.

Pandora has a lower gravity than earth, hence the giant life forms. ok I was agreeing with you in the opposite.

But is your opinion that the animals that mimic the behaviour and enhanced look of a lot of species on earth on pandora seem far fetched??

this part of disecting the life on pandora can be debated for a while but im pretty sure that a planet/moon that close to a gas giant if it was depicted as such would not support the flora and life we see in the movie. I havent read anything on gas planets in solar systems that orbit the Goldilocks region and if so could it support life on its moons like we see in pandora

James Cameron and his brother invented breathing apparatus for the Abbys... so people can talk to each other. I'm pretty sure my brain is attached to my tongue somehow... lol.

um i dont think so the person who invented breathing under water was the late great jaque cousteou

Thanks for stamp of approval. I'm sure your credentials as an IT project manager will no doubt please Cameron, who's been to the bottom of the ocean and has experience with breathing apparatus.

thats right he drove the sub that he made himself and mixed the appropriate mixture of gasses for those depths. Is your brain attached to your tongue cause if it is i suggest you swallow.....

sigourney weaver you say so Sir David Attenborough a long time naturalist didnt??? him i guess sigourney is a man then

There was a guy on NPR today talking about the science of Avatar (yes, NPR has fluff segments) anyways, he was saying that the idea is that Pandora does have enough oxygen but that there's just so much other crap in the air that's harmful to humans. That's why they don't run around in full scuba type gear but just glorified gas masks.

plausable

here on earth in deep ocean trenches , shrimp, crab and worms survive around volcanic plumes. As witnessed in Blue Planet and Planet Earth there are fish in cave streams acidic enough to burn our skin yet living in these streams are little tiny fish????

In my first year biology in University I learned about certain spider-lings riding the wind at altitudes of 20-30k feet. Freezing and unfreezing. Some commercial jets fly at 40k feet.

The point being is that there are many extreme environment organisms living on our planet. With the polar Ice caps melting I predict there will be a tone more discoveries. So fauna and life is plausable. Maybe fungal animals, or intelligent fauna, various insecta. Higher lifeforms would be plausable but not take on shapes you and I would recognize instantly. Heavier gravity, may induce evolution of intelligent squat bodies.

Also, thought i would point this out. During the evolution of our planet atmosphere, oxygen levels were so high that it was actually poisonous to most organisms today. Gratefully to activities of bacteria that atmosphere composition changed and can now breath....

What I wanted to point out was that Bandai changed the leg armor to allow for better knee articulation.

This was originally one of the biggest complaints about Unicorn Gundam.

Anyway Ngee Khiong updated his post with the following info:

* New color for the body

* New design elements incorporated, including the Vulcans on the head.

* Improved joints for the waist and leg - waist can rotate for 360 degrees, leg's movable range upgraded by 150 percent.

* New customized cage (? - 専用ケージ) included. Extra parts can be stored in the cage. The beam saber can be stored at the back of the base.

Can combine with Action Display Base 1, all arms are movable. (Something like the factory container as seen in PG GP01/Fb I think)

* 3 figures in 1/100 scale included: Banagher Links, Audrey Burns, and Marida Cruz

* 3 types of antenna included: transformable, opened and closed types

* Weapons: Beam Magnum, Hyper Bazooka, shield, beam saber (didn't say anything about the double beam Gatling)

* 25 runners in total. Foil sticker, clear sticker and dry transfer decal included.

Nice! If thats the case which was a problem for me for an MG it was a stiff hero gundam. Overall it may be a better buy in this case than the GFFMC if it has no articulation. Will wait for VFTF-Pete to buy it and review it. Thanks for the info!!!!!!

On a side note. I wanted something to protect the dry on sticker on my gundam models. I used to use nailpolish but that is way to strong for the dry stickers. I was at the hobby shop the other day and they have glossy or matt clear coat spray. Since i only detail paint my gundams as I like the factory paint rather the usual mat finish a lot of gunpla fans like. Which one do I use on unpainted gundams???

Nu, I think you took the whole point of him quoting his background the wrong way.

In no way did any of that come off as someone trying to say he was smarter than us therefore saying he could understand the movie better. He was stating from a real scientific standpoint, not story, that most of the movie was plausible and done well from said scientific standpoint.

ok i can accept that but there was no need to introduce himself as such. He could have explained it in a scientific way without qualifying his background. I also took his comment about people tripping out on hating cameron and as punch at us for not liking the film. As for scientific plausibility, i dont think so. Before my career took me down a path i didnt really want my biggest desire was to be a paleontologist. Since a kid i studied biology of animals, went to utah for bone collecting. They have the best dam natural museum with fossils in the rock on display. At ten i kept telling my dad that no way dino's would be dragging their tails on the ground long before i read anything about horner and others finally nailed it in the coffin. Today most thories are made by current observable paradigms. By comparing present animal structure and environmental effects that shape animals much of paleontology is described. In the movie it seemed cameron stuck together primates, ungulates, pantheras, carnivora, and equidae into a planet that orbited around a pretty big gas giant. NG had a special about alien life on alien worlds that were based on different planet composition and none of them took on forms as close to earths creatures as did pandoras. I remember one of the biologists who worked on the show with astrophysicists postulated a creature that kinda looked like a floating man o war

due to the atmosphere. So there was a a lot of creativity in making the life on pandora and a lot of liberal freedoms which was pretty cool. But im not the same age as I was when i watched star wars which was oooo and ahhhhh so i look for a little more in my movies than just the oooo and ahhhhh of the cg. Dont get me wrong i like science fiction and science just think of this .....there is a star called vv cefee e which is supposed to be 3 times larger than our sun. WOW that is astounding if you think about you can fit more than a million of our earths in our own star.

that said this must be a fantastic movie since this thread is not dead. I remember how much talk fight club or seven generated which you can debate about the philosophical truths about right and wrong