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I.....never thought..... in all my years....nay, in my lifetime......That this would happen.... for over 20 years.......waiting.....hoping.....it's so beautiful.....the pulchritudinous of it all.....😭

35 minutes ago, Big s said:

 I really hope that something really unique happens with all this and we get a great show for a new generation that doesn’t have to rely so heavily on pop songs. A bit isn’t too bad, but relying on it is getting ridiculous 

Doctor Chiba disagrees with you. 

1 hour ago, Kyp Durron said:

Am I the only one that thinks Frontier was the best Macross outside of the original TV and DYRL version?

54 minutes ago, DYRL VF-1S said:

No you are not. I even like it better than SDFM. Only DYRL? tops it for me.

Same. I'll add Macross Plus to that too.

6 hours ago, M'Kyuun said:

I think if Delta had come before Frontier, it would have been better received, as it was better, at least in terms of animation, than M7, but not nearly as good as Frontier with its better, well, everything. Frontier spoiled us; it's going to take another show like it or Plus to be satisfying to the majority of fans, I think, myself included.

That and, even Delta's songs, were...eh. Yeah there were a few that were good, but not anywhere near as good as MF, let alone M7. I think I enjoyed MII's music more. Delta,  that one song, every time I hear it. I think of Toni Braxton.  And when I do hear Toni Braxton,  I think of Delta.

.....Also that Earth, Wind & Fire song. Same thing.

Unchain my Delta

1 hour ago, vladykins said:

I have a soft spot for Macross II as well.

As do I.  Hell I even attempted to track down the ending version of Yakuso. Since it seems different from the album release. As well as the English version of Mou Ichido. Good times.

I can honestly say, Delta was the first Macross series to disappoint me. It could have been so good, no, it should have. It had the potential,  but......

2 hours ago, Chronocidal said:

Hah.. I remember the same experience actually, seeing the early ads for the first gen Macross Plus toys in high school during some computer lab class.

In hindsight.. I'm perfectly fine with the way things turned out on that end.  My friends and I all agreed that early YF-19 looked more like a bloated goose than an aircraft.   I'm happy to have waited long enough for the toys to become refined to their current point, and to have reached a point in my life where I can afford them.

Jesus.  The funny thing is.... you mention being in your high school computer lab class. That's were I was also! In my high school computer networking class for Cisco. 

I can afford them now as well. But.....well.....responsibilities, and also the reason I dissapeared from here for so long. But soon.....soon.....

All I want is a chance at a perfect transformation YF-21 with fast packs at a reasonable price. Every time I see one go up on auction or something they want damn near a $1000. I want one really badly,  but not $1000 badly.  I hope some day, maybe I can get one, especially now. Although I  know it's not likely. 

5 hours ago, Keith said:

Long story short, right before the YF-19 release the head of Toycom jumped ship & abandoned the existing staff with the reveal that he was starting up Toynami with a shiny new Robotech license.

Thats a dick move. I also remember that. I was in high school and was eagerly awaiting the release of the Macross Plus toys. They were advertised in toy fare magazine or something like that during the time. I was of course disappointed that they were "canceled", because of HG. Thus starting my long lasting distrust and hatred for HG.

I hope this will also possibly open the chances of Macross games coming over as well. Would love some of the PSONE/ 2, 3 and PSP games re-released on switch and ps4/5 ect. Imagine, if they "accidentally" found those western psone copies of VF-X2, in some old warehouse.

2 hours ago, valk1j said:

https://m.twitch.tv/videos/985604589

 

Robotech views on deal.

Ugh. Why does it have to be on twitch?  

 I dislike twitch. 

1 hour ago, JB0 said:

Man, that book was SO BAD. Glad my suffering has brought others long-term amusement.

 

 

To clarify, though... I actually enjoyed the Robotech novels, the final one excepted. I admittedly didn't have the most discerning of tastes in my teenage years, but they were alright.

Not long term amusement JBO. Just passing. I liked the novels too....Until I found out that ROBOTECH and Macross were entirely two different entities. Also,  my reading of the novels ended with the first novel of the  sentinels arc. I just could not read anything more after that convoluted mess. And it sounds like I dodged a bullet there, before I invested any more of my time and money into it.

15 hours ago, JB0 said:

In other words, everything was End of the Circle's fault.

I find it somewhat amusing and comedic, that this feels seemingly plausible. Especially with what Seto just said. And remembering how much you detest the Robotech novels. It still kinda does seem to unintentionally tie back to "End of Circle". It's like "End of Circle", is finally coming to full circle.

This is made more funnier to me. When I remember what you told me when I accidentally and unintentionally triggered your Robotech Novel PTSD.

"All you need to know about the last book is that EVERYTHING IS MINMAY'S FAULT FOREVER."

I still remember JBO. I still remember! 

8 minutes ago, Keith said:

You haven't missed much, we've just been keeping the forum warm for this prophesied time.

If you stick around stay out of the Star Trek topics, it's like a wild west bar fight in there.

Thats good to hear. Sounds like I don't have much to catch up on. And thanks for the heads up. 

4 minutes ago, Keith said:

Yeah, none of that will be happening, you'll be waiting a while there.

I was being facetious Keith. Also, it's been awhile.  Good to see you.

Not once, did I ever think I would live, to see this day.....

Now I got to find a place to preorder my official US release of the series. 

Also, on a side note. I for one,  cannot wait for HG newest series comming out that will expand, broaden and build upon the "ROBOTECH" series and mythos. Launching it into newer story lines, which none of us have ever seen(unless you have been a Macross fan). I can see it now and can not wait for the announcements of:

ROBOTECH: Do You Remember, Zor?
ROBOTECH Zero
ROBOTECH Plus
ROBOTECH  7
ROBOTECH 7: The Invid is Calling Me
ROBOTECH Frontier
ROBOTECH Frontier: The False Masters
ROBOTECH Frontier: The Last Sentinels of Goodbye 
ROBOTECH Delta
ROBOTECH Delta: Passion of the Invid Queen

On 10/18/2018 at 6:51 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

The only VF-31s mentioned in connection with the Xaos branch HQ on Ragna are the Xaos 3rd Fighter Wing... composed of four flights, with Alpha, Beta, and Gamma using VF-31As and Delta using the ace custom Siegfried versions.  All the information we've been given thus far has pointed to the Siegfrieds being modified VF-31A airframes specially tailored for the individual tastes and styles of the members of 3rd Fighter Wing Delta Flight.  They've also implied that the reason there are five different variants of Siegfried, each with distinct differences in appearance and coloration, was (in-universe) to facilitate the celebrity status of Delta Flight by making its members easier to identify at a distance.

As far as I've found, the only source that refers to the Siegfried custom VF-31s as though they were something intended for eventual production is Variable Fighter Master File: VF-31 Siegfried.  Master File books aren't official setting material so... y'know.  The book's contents are wildly inaccurate and focus primarily on Xaos's use of the VF-31, but it does treat the VF-31S as something that ended up in the New UN Spacy's inventory.  That's probably the least bizarre divergence from canon in the book.

 

 

 

Here's a somewhat more detailed analysis I did back in '17.

 

Thank you for the info Seto! I'll be taking a read then!

20 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Literally all we're told about the YF-29B Perceval is that it's an improved version of the YF-29 used by Havamal's top aces.  The only externally-visible improvement is that the fighter's heavy quantum beam gunpod has a bayonet now.

Well, I shouldn't be surprised about that. Guess we'll have to wait amd see if they make a masterworks book on it. 

How about VF-31 Siegfried/31B Kairos. How are they different? I know the B is supposed to be a beta fighter, but does that mean its a test type? It throws me off, since I would think it would have a "YF" designation. And how does the newest Valkyrie on the block compare to others as well as the Windermere Drakens. It still gets me, that even how awesome the YF/VF-19 and the YF/VF-21/22 are old when we come into Frontier with the Messiah and Durandal. Now we have the Siegfried and Drakens. I guess am just an old die hard YF-21, VF-22 fan. I loved going to the macross mecha  manual and reading up on the info there, but it only goes up to Frontier.

21 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Sort of.  The Zentradi have known about them all along, but never really gave them much thought as it didn't really fit into their "Is it an enemy? Y/N" mindset.  Humanity's fold technology wasn't all that great at the beginning, and their understanding of higher-dimensional spacetime was kind of rough, so there were supposedly a number of accidents and losses caused by miscalculated jumps and fold faults that weren't properly identified at the time.

As time went on and humanity improved its understanding and its fold technology, such incidents became less common and fold travel became "faster" and more precise as humanity grew used to computing jumps that avoided or accounted for navigational hazards that could disrupt a jump or increase the disparity between experienced and objective time like fold faults and intense gravity fields.  

IMO, that fold jumps shown in earlier Macross shows are almost all short-ranged jumps of only a dozen to a couple dozen light years probably helped avoid areas of major fault activity.  It wasn't until Macross Frontier that we actually saw ships folding close to a thousand light years at a time onscreen.  Eden's only 11.7 light years from Earth, after all... and anything up to 20ly seems to be considered "short range", since that was the rated one-way capacity of an initial-type fold booster unit.

Okay. That makes logical sense now. My head can accept that. Do we have any more info on the accidents, or was it just a blurb on the technology evolving?

21 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

I can only assume that the moon is somewhat light on entertainment and/or has incredible daycare facilities.

Or maybe both?

Sounds like Miss Milliome, is doing her part to help humanity recover. 

21 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

IIRC, Macross 7 Docking Festival indicated that the Zentradi spies tended to crash at Vanessa's place, suggesting none of them married their Zentradi opposite numbers.

Vanessa must have a heart of gold, and a very understanding husband (Especially when one used to date your wife), to let them crash at their place. 

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

It may technically not count anymore anyway, since we've seen that the New UN Spacy Special Forces appropriated the design and made a better version for themselves (in Macross 30) designated the YF-29B Perceval.

So it's a case where a emigrant fleets own design/derivative showed promise, and made the UN Government take notice. 

Did Macross 30 give any info on the Perceval's stats/changes when compared to the Frontiers Durandal? I would assume a lot of the anti-vajra weaponry was taken out or improved/changed to deal with other more common threats, and engine upgrades.

3 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Actually, that one's one anyone could've picked up on just by watching the show, no books needed. 

They used the same visual effect for the super fold booster in Macross Frontier that Macross Zero had used for the Birdhuman's fold jump.

Yeah. I obviously don't have an eye for detail.

I missed all that. Still thank you though for dropping knowledge on me.

3 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

In short, a zero-time fold is "faster" because there is no disparity between the passage of time in the folding ship and realspace during the fold jump and it can traverse fold faults unimpeded.

Was it ever explained/retconned as to way fold faults were never mentioned in Macross Plus or Macross 7? I know fold faults were introduced in Frontier as a plot device for the series, but it seems contradictory from what we see in Plus and especially M7 and Dynamite. They were folding everywhere in the series and I was wondering if they came up with a logical explanation to integrate fold faults?

3 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That's Macross 7 Docking Festival, IIRC.  Kim was the only one of the bridge bunnies to stay in the military and not get married.  Shammy's got 11 kids and lives on the moon.  Vanessa and her husband have a club in Macross City.  

Interestingly, Zentradi spy Roli Dosel seems to have had a family too... his granddaughter appears in Macross the Musiculture, as a citizen of the Macross-29 fleet.

Jesus 11 kids! Did she and Vanessa marry their Zentran spys (sorry I can't remember who they paired off with in SDF)?

5 minutes ago, JB0 said:

Cloning was discontinued due to birth defects on the rise, I believe. 

I think I may've typed up a long spiel a while back about how the government would want to encourage procreation and how they could go about it, with tax breaks and government-sponsored childcare and so on. But I don't think there's anything official saying so. 

 

But population growth is going to be slow as long as they keep launching colony ships as fast as they can make them. 

I think it was you. Every thing you just mentioned comes to mind. That and someone saying all the bridge bunnies except one got married. And Shammy had like 9 kids or something. 

21 hours ago, JB0 said:

As far as ranking pilots goes, Max did say Basara was almost as good as he was. But then, Max also underestimated his own skill level during the war. Maybe getting hitched to the zentradi ace bombshell after repeatedly equaling or besting her made him re-evaluate his own talents, because he did realize that 7 fleet was better served with him in a fighter jet than on the bridge in moments of dire crisis. ("Hi guys, I'm just gonna blast past all of you with my throttle open to full and nuke Gepelnitch in his eyeball. You can stand back and eat my reactor exhaust. Captain's orders.")

Max in his VF-22, made M7 worth sitting through all the times planet dance played.

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Alas, no... all we know of the VF-24 is that the YF-24 Evolution was approved for adoption as the 5th Generation VF of Earth and the federal New UN Forces in 2057.  It must be pretty incredible, given it was deemed too awesome to share with the colonies, who got heavily redacted versions of its specs to build their own VFs from and the YF-29 is said to have been an effort to exceed its performance.

With that said, do we know of any emigrant only/made VF's that are out there that may exceed what the UN Government has, like possibly the VF-27 Lucifer, or the YF-29? 

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Blame the Birdhuman... in hindsight, that was pretty obviously a zero-time fold effect, and humanity didn't have that technology until at least 2059, so it'd have to have been the Birdhuman.

Jesus Seto, your knowledge makes me feel infantile sometimes....

Whats the difference between a regular fold and a zero-time fold?

10 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

A fair chunk of Earth's sparse population was likely in Macross City for the event

Just how sparse is Earth's population at that time? And now in current time? I thought the UN Government started a mass cloning program and encouraged couples to (uhhhhhh; well to be blunt) "baby make", to rebuild Earth's population? Or was I just imagining I read that somewhere on an old thread here?

9 hours ago, Sailor Arashi said:

And Basara flies one around with no problem...while singing...and using a freaking guitar to control it in all modes. 

Hey, it is Basara.  He tried to move a mountain with his song. He befriended and improved the proto-devlin's way of life. He almost made out/got to 1st base with a 50ft tall hot Meltran (mmmmmmm... Emilia). He freaking rocked out with space whales!!! There ain't nothing this man can't do...Except stay still.

Speaking of Basara and nerfed VF's. What was Basara's customized VF-19 compared to other monkey models, like Docker's?

11 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Oh, granted... though I imagine rather a lot of people would have been happier if he hadn't taken an enormous chunk of the defense industry with him by screwing up adoption of the AIF-9, VF-19, and VF-22 and forcing the military to start over on 4th Gen VF development.

I'am surprised he's not blackballed/banned to pilot ever again then. That's a complete game changer for the defense industry. That's still feeling it like how many years later?

11 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

No such animal... all emigrant fleets seen or mentioned thus far have been launched and governed under the auspices of the New UN Government.

Which is why, too me it felt wierd they wouldn't want to give their emigrant fleets the very be.......

12 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The New UN Government was understandably concerned about letting full spec versions of its new excessively high-spec 4th Generation VFs out into the wild for three main reasons:

• A fair amount of the fighting the New UN Forces were doing in that period was civil wars.  As the New UN Government's sphere of influence grew, the logistical difficulties of governing an area as vast as it technically encompassed gave rise to movements seeking greater autonomy for the colonies, secessionists, and armed conflicts between colonies.  With the federal NUNS periodically having to intervene and restore order, the last thing the brass wanted was to get there and have to fight a numerically superior force at technological parity with them.  To be effective, they needed an edge.
• The discord in the colonies also frequently gave rise to armed anti-government and terrorist groups that were increasingly able to obtain military hardware via covert supporters or even outright theft.  Restrictions on export variants made any fighters that fell into hostile hands somewhat less capable, and restrictions on the number that could be produced made it a little easier to spot when one went "missing".
• Some anti-government groups were able to develop their own advanced weapons based on stolen New UN Forces hardware with impressive results.  Sequestering the most advanced technology to prevent its theft was also a way to maintain the New UN Forces' edge over those enemies.

...Ahhhh. Makes perfect sense. I can't help but feel, its like/similar to how American colonialists rebelled against the British in the revolutionary war. There all the way on earth, and the colonies are all in galaxies far, far away. So the idea of being more independent. And not having to check in with big brother all the time and pay their dues, makes sense.

12 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The New UN Government was arguably pretty much dead-on correct about the possibility of their own troops supplying arms and tech to anti-government groups... Macross Chronicle implies even Max may have been involved in covertly supporting the colonial autonomy movement.  Even after the whole autonomy movement came to a head and won out over the Earth-supremacists in what recent books are calling the Second Unification War, there are still plenty of civil wars and so on in the New UN Government's territory.  Kaname Buccaneer comes from a planet that is quite literally semi-perpetually at war with itself due to a strong Earth-supremacist movement there.

What!? Really? Max? What was it alluded too?

What were the benefits of autonomy, compared to staying with the UN Government?  And was the UN Government bad at providing,protecting and supporting the emigrant colonies, that alot, including some UN Government/Spacy personnel, even supported autonomy? I mean calling it a Second Unification war sounds serious, considering how bad the First Unification wars were.And now that autonomy movement won out, what's changed for the both the UN Government and the emigrant fleets?

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

"NUNS" is the New UN Spacy, the New UN Government's Space Army.

Sorry. I always see "UN Spacy" plastered everywhere, so I just use it for all branches of the UN Government, even though I know there a branch. I apologize.

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Alas, no.  Only a few specific examples where monkey models were prominently called out as such like the VF-19P and VF-19EF.

Man, that sucks. I'd love to see the comparisons, between the full spec and monkey models.

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

There may be some pieces of tech that they simply can't replicate, either because they don't have its original spec or because they simply lack the technical know-how... like how the VF-24 is supposedly head and shoulders above the 5th Generation VFs based on its heavily redacted blueprints.

Oohh!? Do we have any info on the VF-24 superior technology and capabilities vs the 5th generation VFs?

16 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Shin and Sara pulled a Hikaru and Misa.  They're gone, and we'll likely never hear from them again.

I figured as much. I just hope there happy together.  When Shin finally got through to Sarah, I was happy, then saddened when everything happen at the end of the end and Sarah folded. Then left wondering if Shin went to were Sarah was when he folded. Which makes me wonder. How was Shin able to fold? His Valkyrie was pretty much done in.

16 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

I think she was more steamed off that it was her Valkyrie he destroyed... not for its historical value, but that it was hers.  He basically trashed her classic car.

I meant that too. That was her baby.

16 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Gamlin's discontent was understandable enough.

Visual cues in Macross 7 point to Milia's VF-1J being a Block 4... a true 1st Generation VF without the refinements that were introduced from Block 5 and later.

The lowest performance fighter that Gamlin trained on was the VF-11C, fully two generations newer than the VF-1J-4 with much better performance and controls based on the refinements which were made in later VF-1 blocks.

How many different blocks are there? What are the differences/improvements/changes?

9 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

 

Mmmmmmmm......Ishtar......

I wish there was a way to bring her into the main Macross cannon. Like how they did with some of Macross II 's songs.

5 hours ago, JB0 said:

Gets to fly a rough approximation of his favorite plane ever. If I recall, the whole point behind the initial "I am going to buy a plane on the black market/get Neumann to smuggle me out parts so I can build one" plan was that he's simply never enjoyed flying a plane as much as he did the cantankerously unstable, pilot-murdering YF-19, and he wanted to do it again.  It... says a lot about Isamu. 

Yes, that he is not only one of the best pilots, but also one of the craziest.....and an adrenaline junkie....Or he just likes a challenge.

5 hours ago, JB0 said:

The pilot makes the machine. Max and Millia could've rocked space in a pair of VF-17s, or VF-11s, or shoeboxes with fireworks glued to the back(the rare Super Shoebox configuration).  The 22 was just icing on the awesome cake.

True. Max and Millia can pretty much rock anything they pilot. And make it look good, even rare SSB configuration!

I still remember watching Hikaru piloting a spartan destroid and being amazed that he was able to handle some Zentran malcontents, at a time where I considered all spartans a connon fodder death trap.

5 hours ago, JB0 said:

And then there's  Gamlin's performance in Millia's VF-1J. He complained about how slow it was, struggled with the controls, and then got it completely destroyed, without ever firing a shot. NEVER FORGET. NEVER FORGIVE. 

Oh god. I forgot about that! She was sooo pissed! Her Valk (as well as Max's if he still has his) was a historical pivotal peice of space war 1 history. And Gamlin destroyed it.

Is there like an official ranking of the best pilots, when comparing them to the Macross cannon as a whole? I would expect Max and Millia being in the top 5 if not 1 and 2 respectively, but imagine Guld in there to as well as Isamu,Basara and Roy and Hikaru.

8 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Pretty much, yeah... Isamu had to foot the bill for the project, which wiped out his savings...

Well, at least he gets to....fly?

8 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

There are easier ways to jump in front of a firing squad, but none quite so stylish as what he did..

Well, if your going to go out, might as well go out with a "bang".....Like a literal world/galaxy changing "bang".

8 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

By all accounts, all emigrant fleet forces have been working with monkey models since the introduction of 4th Generation VFs... and possibly earlier.

One of the unintended/unexpected consequences of Isamu stealing the YF-19 No.2 prototype and using it to break through Earth's orbital defenses was that it caused the New UN Government to seriously reconsider its policies on exporting the latest weapons technology to the emigrant fleets and colonies.  There had been a sharp uptick in anti-government activity in the latter half of the 2030s, which Millard alluded to in the briefing where Isamu was introduced to the YF-19 and YF-21.  With tensions on the rise over whether the New UN Government should be a strong central government or devolve more authority to the individual member fleets/worlds, the New UN Government was understandably a little bit leery about the prospect of providing advanced weapons that were able to penetrate Earth's own defenses to the colonies where they could potentially end up in the hands of the anti-government factions and be used against the federal New UN Forces.

The solution the New UN Government hit on was to retain the full spec versions of new weapons for the federal forces and sell reduced capability versions to colony worlds and to emigrant fleets.  That way, if the federal New UN Forces had to step in and knock heads together to restore order or put down a fight between colonies they would always have an edge.  Other restrictions that were applied were mandated limits on the performance of locally-produced parts and limits on the numbers of certain VFs that could be produced in any one fleet or colonial defense force.

I can understand there reasoning for independent colony fleets, but even those that are NUNS colony fleets, like the M7 colony fleet? Or am I missing something?  I was always under the assumption, until Frontier, that all fleets were extensions of the NUNS government, and therefore would have access to all NUNS military support. And not nerfed monkey models.

8 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The VF-19s and VF-22s in Macross 7 were almost certainly monkey models, though the VF-19P used by the Zola Patrol is the only one for which the reductions in performance are explicitly identified. 

Am disappointed to hear that the VF-22's and 19's were nerfed monkey models, but think of what Max did in his. And then think of how much more bad ass he would have been in a full spec version!

Do we have a comparison chart or something that list the differences in the full spec versions of the VF-22's and 19's to their monkey model versions?

And on the same note, what was the difference from the regular VF-19 and the Zolan VF-19P?

8 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The Robotech II: the Sentinels novelization is generally regarded as being Star Wars Holiday Special levels of bad.

"Jack McKinney" (Luceno and Daley) wrote all those books like off-brand Star Wars mockbusters, but it got especially bad when they adapted Sentinels.

7 hours ago, JB0 said:

Let me put it this way: at the time, I liked the Sentinels novels, and still felt End of the Circle was indefensible dreck.

7 hours ago, Bolt said:

I slogged thru those novels back in the day. Needed massive decompression afterwards.

Even back then I wrote them off , as much as I really liked the idea of what they represented.

Okay. You guys all convinced me. I was so close to buying the kindle versions from Amazon, but I'll avoid it.

8 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

It'd take a LOT of work... some of the limiters are in software, some are hardware, some are simply local manufacturers not being able to produce parts at that full military spec.

Dr. Neumann and Shinsei Industry improved the performance of the VF-19EF Caliburn they customized for Isamu mainly through selective downgrades... reconfiguring the airframe for the VF-19A's less stable aerodynamic profile, downgrading the integrated airframe management AI to the initial build used on the YF-19 No.3 prototype and in so doing taking out most of the stability and safety improvements, etc.  Most of the fiddly stuff meant to make the VF-19 safer for average pilots was taken out so Isamu could leverage that insane lack of stability that caused the military to back down from adopting the VF-19 in the first place.

Could some entity overide some of the software, hardware downgrade issues like L.A.I? Or Galaxy Fleet? In a small number maybe? I would think there would still be ways around to get some VF's to full spec through other legal/illegal means or customization, pre Galaxy fleets betrayal.

Speaking of Galaxy Fleet, did we ever find out what happened to all the civilians on their island? Was General Galaxy part of the Galaxy fleet betrayal, or they had nothing to do with it. They were just a sponsor and had no real control? 

8 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

I'm not getting nearly the number of boos and hisses I expected for such a dreadful joke.

Because, it was perfect. I now want to hear a  Sir-Mix-Alot Alto version rendition of "Big bugs"

With everything released so far, are we still in the dark about Shin and Sara. I really wish/head cannon, that they are together happily in love in a perfect Eden for them.

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That, I think, was the idea... 

Isamu may have saved Earth from Sharon Apple, but he still caused a crapload of damage and broke a ton of regulations along the way.  In the final analysis, he...

• Stole a next-generation prototype fighter from the New Edwards Test Flight Center
• Stole a fold booster from the New Edwards Test Flight Center
• Caused significant damage to the Shinsei Industry Project Super Nova hangar at New Edwards when he blew up the hangar doors
• Racked up quite a bill in terms of the munitions expended in the Eden NUNS's attempt to intercept him and the munitions he himself stole
• Destroyed several orbital weapons platforms in the Earth Defense Network
• Caused significant damage to a number of buildings on Earth
• Caused significant damage to the flying bridge of the SDF-1 Macross
• Caused an enormous scandal and panic when the YF-19 was demonstrated to be independently capable of penetrating the most secure NUNS defense net in the galaxy, that prompted the New UN Government to issue severe arms export restrictions on 4th Generation VFs (angering Shinsei and General Galaxy)
• Indirectly caused the total loss of the Sharon Apple system and AIF-X-9 Ghost prototype
• Indirectly caused the total loss of the YF-21 No.2 prototype and its pilot, Specialist Guld Goa Bowman

Needless to say, the New UN Forces brass were NOT happy with Mr. Dyson... but were hard-pressed to punish him overtly for it since Col. Millard Johnson took responsibility for the entire incident and he had "saved the day".  Chaining him to a desk under the auspices of a promotion was a way to punish him in a way that would make him sit up and take notice while dressing it up as a reward for a job well done.

You know.....It's a miracle he got off as easy as he did.

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Arguably, yes...

The New UN Government has arms export restrictions on the weapons that can be sold to, or locally built under license by, the emigrant fleets and colony planets.  As a result, some of their versions of New UN Forces hardware are what are called "Monkey Models": export variants with inferior capabilities.  The first example explicitly acknowledged as such is the VF-19P from Macross Dynamite 7, but the term has been used more commonly since Macross the Ride, which introduced the Macross Frontier fleet's VF-19 monkey model VF-19EF Caliburn.

So, what makes a immigrant fleet qualify for a "official" model vs a "monkey model"? Where the VF-19's and VF-22 from M7 "official" version? Are the VF-171 "monkey models"? And what is with the VF-171, its a striped down VF-17 right? I always thought of the VF-17 as an elite model from M7's Diamond force. 

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Ironically, Macross 7 showed that they actually learned a fair bit from their original panicky attempt to keep themselves alive by rampaging across the galaxy.  Gepernich's goal was sustainable spiritia farming so they wouldn't need to attack huge swaths of the galaxy.

So, I assume after the events of M7, all the protodevlin have went to a far, far isolated part of the universe .

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Don't.  Seriously.

That bad....This is like a horrible video on the web. You know, no good will come to you if you watch it, but regret and trauma, but you  still want to look.

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

For all practical intents None of which I am aware.  I would presume that, in typical Japanese fashion, he resigned from his post.

Do we know about Lucy? Do we know if she ended up with Isamu, or dated for awhile?  With that, do we know Myung's fate? Or Sharon Apple? She may have turned crazy, but that was do to her program being tampered with and corrupting her. But her/Myung's music (gotta love Info High)was great!

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That's what Jan said.

Because! Of course he would! 

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The VF-19E was an intermediate variant between the VF-19C and VF-19F... the record is sketchy on whether the VF-19E was a VF-19 1st Mass Production-type like the VF-19A or 2nd Mass Production-type like the VF-19F and VF-19S.  The only Macross title to directly feature a VF-19E is Macross 30, which showed it as a 1st Mass Production-type, though the -EF in the Macross the Ride light novel appears to be a 2nd Mass Production-type.

The VF-19EF Caliburn was a customized, locally-built derivative of the VF-19E the Macross Frontier fleet built in limited quantities for its local special forces and SMS.  It restored the canards and expanded the main wing, but had a number of built-in limiters on its performance.

Could someone, who knows how, remove those said limiters and increasing there performance. Like on Isamu's 19, or other galaxy platform (monkey model), variants?

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Or maybe... he likes big bugs and he cannot lie?  (I'll show myself out.)

You sir, just made my day!!!