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49 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:
Like thus:
Breetai's a Commander type Zentraedi. He's made of sterner stuff. A regular Zentraedi taking a boot trust to the face however.....let's just say they are going to have trouble identifying him or her once it is done.
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4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:
The term "cell wall" refers specifically to a rigid or semi-rigid structure surrounding a cell's outer membrane made of material like cellulose and pectin which is commonly found in plants but absent in animals.
The outer boundary of animal cells is the cell membrane, a flexible boundary typically made of phospholipids.
That distinction is why cheemingwan1234 was thrown by your post. Cell walls are a feature not found in animals.
The exact nature of the biochemical and anatomical changes that micloning systems make based on latent genes has not been elaborated upon. However, the end result is a living being able to structurally withstand being 10m tall and bipedal, with strength and reflexes to suit and durability rivaling an armored combat robot. As tough as they are (and as physiologically impossible as MK-style "fatalities" are), it is unlikely that a VF-1 could achieve such a needlessly gory feat. Especially given that ghe Valkyrie's hands are notoriously fragile and not intended for that kind of close combat.
Well, if we also take into account other parts of a Variable Fighter's design...well, I'm pretty sure that a Valkyrie can ruin a marcloned Zentraedi's day in melee if the Zentraedi does not take into account the differences between a VF and marcloned OPFOR infantry. Especially since organic body parts don't take kindly to having thermonuclear reaction turbine plasma fire off when the VF is kicking a Zentraedi in the torso or the head.
Put it kindly, while marclone Zentraedi and Valkyries are equal in strength in melee, the Valkyrie has more options for a nasty death to it's opponent in a brawl
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9 hours ago, pengbuzz said:
Not to mention that being composed of trillions and trillions of more cells than a miclone, there are more cell walls to deal with that add to the overall durability of a Zentraedi soldier. Combine that with the increased durability and they are a considerable threat to a Battroid.
Zentraedi are not plants, they don't have cell walls for overall support. Unless if the cell walls are also there during the marcloning process to help Zentraedi support their large mecha heights.
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On 9/29/2022 at 10:39 PM, Seto Kaiba said:
For the most part, it didn't.
Very few VF-1J's were manufacturered overall, and most materials to discuss the topic suggest almost all of them ended up out in space with the Macross during the First Space War. The crew of the Macross's usage of the VF-1J as a machine for platoon leaders seems to have been either unique to the Macross or very limited in its application elsewhere due to the comparative scarcity of the VF-1J.
Presumably the crew of the Macross (TV series) decided that giving the J type to platoon leaders would be the best use of what was advertised as an enhanced armaments type.
Not as such.
Shinnakasu Heavy Industry developed the VF-1J as a domestically-produced rival/competitor to Northrom's VF-1A, not as a dedicated machine for platoon leaders. Some sources like Master File assert their actual goal was to actually get the Earth Unification Forces to drop Northrom's A-type for the "better" J-type as the standard model. Unfortunately, their total production capacity was low and very few VF-1J's had been delivered when the First Space War broke out. Almost all of those units ended up out in space with the Macross, and the production facilities were destroyed in the orbital bombardment.
In the movie version, even fewer J-types were aboard the Macross and those were mostly assigned to special duty like deploying the Armored Pack. (In some sources, this is said to be the result of a hardware/software compatibility issue, with the VF-1J being the only unit that had native support for the Armored Pack at the time.)
Probably not. The VF-1 is physically quite strong, but it doesn't appear to be significantly stronger than a flesh-and-blood Zentradi giant.
Well, considering that (space) metal is harder than flesh, bone and blood and field motors go a long way....I think that a regular Zentraedi (not a CDR type Zentraedi) can be a victim of having a Mortal Kombat style fatality pulled onto him/her by a Variable Fighter.
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5 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:
Speaking as an engineer, and knowing what engineers are like, the English speakers are probably the reason it was saddled with that unfortunate acronym in-universe.
Umm on the other hand, it's quite easy to remember and disguise what they are working on.
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17 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:
Information about the VF-1D is surprisingly scarce.
In part, this is because the VF-1D was a surprisingly short-lived variant that was improvised on short notice as a model conversion trainer. Some sources (incl. Master File) allege that the few VF-1D units produced were converted from VF-1A's rather than purpose-built. They were replaced by a purpose-built training model (VT-1 Ostrich) starting from Block 6.
The origin of the two laser cannons is probably the original design having the two sections of the head pivot independently. There hasn't been, as far as I'm aware, anything like a cut-and-dry official in-universe explanation for the VF-1D having two laser cannons in its final form. There was, for a time, a school of thought that the A-type's single laser wasn't enough firepower. It's more likely that the D-type head was simply cobbled together out of "off the shelf" parts from other variants given its improvised origin.
That was almost certainly the reason when the draft design allowed the two cameras to pivot independently (see @Shawn's post).
The final design's explanation is a bit different. One camera is a normal Valkyrie sensor suite and the other is a wide-area unit used for recording training exercises for analysis.
Good way to spell premature structual fatigue though since you are introducing another point of failure.
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So I was wondering on something. Okay, if the VF-1D is ' just' a two seater VF-1 variant , why does it need the extra firepower of a second head laser?
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Okay, how did the J variant of the VF-1 ended up being assigned to squadron leaders? Given that the main manufacturer is located in Japan, should there be more VF-1Js assigned to grunts relatively speaking in Japan?
And how strong is a VF compared to a marclone in a fistfight. Can a VF literally punch holes clean through a Zentraedi with just their bare hands?
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2 hours ago, pengbuzz said:
In a word: NO.
In more words: the point of Battletech/ Mechwarrior (Mechwarrior is set in the Battletech universe) and the point of Macross are so different, that they would never work together unless you sacrificed what made either one special.
BT/MW is more like Game of Thrones meets The Fall of the Roman Empire. You're a mech pilot fighting your way up the ranks, and ultimately into one of the great houses. The point is conquest and who can basically reassemble the Star league that broke apart centuries ago. The morality is grey at best, and most clans are such jerks that ones like Littlefinger or Tywin would be impressed with their behavior.
Macross, on the other hand, is about the futility of war and the power of communication. In each iteration we see what wars (both personal and full-scale) accomplish. Civilizations have fallen, planets have died, and billions of lives were lost alone in SDFM. In each of the series, miscommunication and misunderstanding causes conflict until music can bridge those gaps and bring commonality. And unlike BT/MW, there is a strong morality that war is harmful, life is precious and fragile, and that we don't have to destroy ourselves to resolve differences.
Now, all of this is simply my opinion (and others may disagree as they will). But its' how I see the two, and its' for those reasons that I would not want such a crossover.
The themes kinda supplement one another in a sense. Music and other cultural commonalities can bring cultures together...but there will be people looking for a chance to start a punch up that will undo the peace that music brings.
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5 hours ago, TehPW said:
Wait? Whut? The Clans are supposed to be all Black Hat wearing A**holes (save Clan Wolf, who wear very fashionable GREY hats, per Stackpole Fiat as i understand). You want to even try to interduce Battletech story concepts into the Macross extended universe?
*cracks knuckles* I'll just let TEX, from the Black Pants Legion explain the Inner Sphere (and everything else). WARNING: pROFAnity is used, liberally.
(185) BattleTech 101: The Great Houses of the Inner Sphere - YouTube
Seta is extremely accurate (and i'm shocked that he's familiar with the setting). The only way a UNS/NUNS society could develop a direction tangent equal to what The Clans requires a story macguffin: a misfold into the past. Even then, you need at lot of things to happen... Actually that idea would be funny: A society based on Destroids?
A Fold Fault that has centuries pass for those inside of it, enabling more time for our NUNS society to from the Clans ? That works...
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I have a feeling that the Clans from BattleTech would make for better antagonists for Macross than the current Macross rogues lineup because they are humanity (and for a Macross cross, they would incorporate the children of the Protoculture such as the Windermerans into their group as well) that due to interstellar distances, lack of resources on their home worlds and isolation managed to evolve into a culture completely alien from their progenitors, making them a fresh take on the human-like aliens in fiction that Macross is fond of.
This would also play into the culture theme that Macross has as the Clans are biologically human (or Zolan, Zentraedi, etc in this cross ) but due to the cultural drift involved in interstellar colonization and slowness in travel due to the length needed to prepare for fold space travel , they evolved a culture that would be considered alien to mainstream culture in the New United Nations government such as the Clans' honor code (zellbringen, bidding down and issuing batchalls.... you get the idea ) being considered a violation of common sense by the rest of the NUNS but evolved due to the relative lack of resources in Clan space.
Moreover, it allows for the original idea of music being a tool of culture that is used to bridge cultural/communication gaps between different groups , more similar to that in Frontier and SDF Macross rather than in 7 or Delta where the music theme is used to handwave things such as Sprita or treating Vars Syndrome. Here, music would be used to bridge the gaps between the cultures of the the New United Nations Government and the Clans but military force still has to be used to stop the Clan Invasion once enough knowledge of how the Clans work is gained from them.
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Okay, what weakness does the Minmei Attack has and how would you hard counter a Minmei Attack if you are a Zentraedi Main Fleet commander?
Well, if you are trained to ignore/resist the effects of such an attack....I'm pretty sure you can trace the transmission of the music to the source *and then blow it up as a viable option.
*If the enemy get into your comms,..it is possible to trace said intrusion back to the source and then counterattack.
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.....how would you organise them militarily ? I can picture while they may be placed into the air forces of a country, I think it may be an incentive to merge the air forces back into the army due to the versatility of the variable fighter allowing for easily accessable organic air cover.
Alternatively, I think that it might cause issues relating to interservice rivalry within the air force and the army as variable fighters can serve as mobile ground assault units in addition to the role of aerospace combat
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11 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:
So, there are typically a couple different modes of ejection for a Valkyrie... ones using just the ejection seat itself, and one that punches the cockpit block off as a lifeboat of sorts.
On the VF-25, the orientation of the cockpit in Battroid mode puts it on the Valkyrie's back with the canopy facing outwards. Battroid mode ejection is not described in detail, but it seems fairly likely that the ejection path is horizontal or a horizontal kick backwards through the ejected canopy and then up using the boosters in the EX-Gear. The Sv-262 has a fairly similar orientation, so its ejection is likely similar. (It's possible this involves explosively separating the plate holding the wings on as well.)
Thanks.
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I can picture a system where the head is blown off by explosive bolts in battroid mode for the VF-1 before the ejection and the VF-19 using it's battroid mode egress hatch as the ejection path for the ejection seat but how does it work for a VF like the VF-25 Messiah or the SV-262hs since I can't picture how the ejection seat would fire off safely.
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Speaking of which, I wonder if the Nousjadeul-Ger played a form factor in how the battroid mode of the VF-31 looks like. They share the same back mounted fold out cannon silhouette
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Macross: Clan Invasion
Okay, because time to do a BattleTech: Clan Invasion in Macross since the plot bunny has been nagging at me and because I think that the Clans from BattleTech would make a suitable enemy for Macross that is familiar to us as humans in that they are mostly humans (since Macross does have human-like aliens which will be incorporated into the Clans in this cross) but due to their conditions in the worlds they call home, they have evolved morality and values that would be considered 'alien' to us and the need for music to bridge the gap in something that the average NUN citizen and a Clanner can find in common.
Story Synopsis:
In the years following Space War One, many colonization fleets left to ensure that the fate of humanity would not be dependent on a single planet. One of those colonization fleets was led by General Aleksandr Kerensky, leading the Megaroad 06 colonization fleet. Unfortunately, it was presumed lost when it encountered a fold fault in it's destination, cutting off communications with the UN government on the fleet .
Until now in the year 2067 (that's the year in which Macross Delta takes place, so yes this does butterfly away Macross Delta) when a chance encounter by a NUNS explorer ship a few months ago in what is now called Clan Space resulted in the Clans; the descendants of the Megaroad 06 fleet invading the rest of the NUNS . With Destroids, Power Armor, Battle Pods and Variable Fighters that no one in the NUNS has ever seen before, they cut a swath through the Brisingr Cluster, starting with Windermere IV which was razed by the hands of Clan Smoke Jaguar and worse, when NUNS forces tried to do the Minmei Attack (exposing them to culture through music) onto a Clan Jade Falcon force, it backfired on them when they realized too late that their Clans have their own culture and they have their own singers called Warsingers to boost the morale of their own warriors .
Only the intelligence by the Wolf's Dragoons (a former Clan scouting unit disguised as a PMC gone native) on Clan forces given to the NUNS has managed to wring out a few victories by the NUNS. However, all will change when a PMC unit known as Xaos encounters a life pod after a pyrrhic victory for the NUNS against Clan Smoke Jaguar bearing the insignia of Clan Smoke Jaguar containing a live but unconscious Warsinger and bring it in to their headquarters, the Macross Elysion.
Central Theme:
The main central theme would be cultural drift in this story. Since the Macross universe has quite slow FTL due to the need for a long time to prepare and recover from a Fold (FTL travel), it would result in a lot of cultural drift that can be aggravated by the distances involved in colonization and fold faults , resulting in completely new cultures such as those in the Clans.
In addition, the music in Macross would be involved in helping to bridge gaps between Clanners and individuals from NUN (New United Nations) space once one of our protagonists in the Macross love triangle (a Clan Warsinger) encounters NUN culture for the first time. Also, music would be used to keep morale up. Unlike Macross 7, Frontier and Delta, music is not magic and military force still has to be used as the deciding factor to stop the Clan Invasion.
Other Notes:
Mirage as main protagonist and one that the Clanner protagonist falls in love with as part of the love triangle (She's underused in Macross Delta.)
The Timber Wolf is called the Cerberus for it's New UN Spacy reporting name instead of Mad Cat unlike in Battletech because for two reasons. 1: The targeting computers for the Macross universe would try to tag the Timber Wolf as a Glaug and a Destroid Phalanx at the same time instead of Mad (Marauder) and Cat (Catapult) and GlaPha does not roll off the tongue as well as Mad Cat and 2: like the three heads of the hellhound from Greek mythology, it's fast for it's weight class, it packs a lot of firepower and armor and when something is in it's sights, it usually dies.
Include 'You dare refuse my Batchall' reference from the BattleTech cartoon.
i.e
"I am Galaxy Commander Hang Metha. We are a Galaxy from Clan Smoke Jaguar. One of our Warsingers is missing. We believe that you from the mercenary company called Xaos has the Warsinger that we mentioned. Hand her over."
"And if we refuse?"
"Identify the forces that you will bid in your defense of one of our Warsingers that you took from us."
"What's this, an auction!?" (laughter)
"Language! You dare to refuse our batchall!?"
"I'm sorry, what did you Clanners mean by a 'Batchall' ?" (more laughter)
"You have sullied our language and honours, you dezgra freebirth Zentraedi halfblood * and refused our batchall to fight honorably . We will make sure that when we eventually catch up to you, filthy Xaos mercenaries , you will beg for a fast death!"
*Galaxy Commander Hang is refering to the captain of the Macross Elysion; Captain Johnson who is also a half human-Zentreadi hybrid similar to Mirage and not Mirage herself
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4 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:
Because unlike Fighter or even Gerwalk modes, Battroid scan turn to follow an enemy while firing much quicker, given the smaller turning radius it needs in order to do so. Additionally, in land/ surface environs, the ability to move upon that with humanoid-like ability is invaluable in combat situations, as well as use the strength in its' arm and leg actuators for combat. Battroid mode has a wide array of versatility in combat which has proven invaluable time and again.
Ah, I see. So something meant for one thing that proved useful for other things.
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Battroid mode for a variable fighter was implemented to fight macronized Zentraedi in hand to hand combat, but post Space War 1 with most Zentraedi bar the occasional rouge fleet living peacefully with humanity which would not result in a need to usually fight macronized Zentraedi bar a rogue fleet, so why do variable fighters post Space War 1 have Battroid mode?
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34 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:
Although if they were to employ realism, they could save a ton on special effects and CGI models.
Though toy sales would suffer....hehehheh
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14 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:
Essentially, yes.
There's not much point in using visual camouflage intended to defeat the human eye when VFs and battlepods do their detection, range-finding, and aiming with powerful radar, infrared, laser, LIDAR, and optical camera systems that are all far more potent and precise than the Mk.I Eyeball.
But especially in space, where any VF that doesn't have strong external light source nearby shining on it is going to be illuminated primarily by its running lights and formation lights like in this shot from Super Dimension Fortress Macross Ep6 "Daedalus Attack". That's Hikaru's VF-1J, btw... which is gloss white with red trim.
Bah, the minute Roy finds out the Zentradi have liquor rations he'd go full MAKE LOVE NOT WAR.
Yes, Major Roy Focker was the Commander of the Air Group aboard the Macross.
Macross is a bit old-fashioned about the CAG title/position, though. Instead of being an administrative-only position for an officer promoted out of squadron command, it's a title held by the most senior serving squadron leader among the ship's embarked squadrons as it was in World War II. The CAG is effectively the department head for the ship's aircraft and reports directly to the captain. The CAG doesn't command all the aircraft during operations though, that's normally handled through the various flight controllers, the forward air controllers, and so on.
As indicated previously, the visible differences between variants is pretty minor and profoundly unlikely to have any real implications for the survivability of a unit's commanding officer. They're only easy to tell apart when they're standing still in Battroid mode, which they generally do not do in combat, and if you know what you're looking for.
The chain of command being what it is, even the loss of a squadron leader is more an inconvenience than a crippling blow.
The New UN Forces generally doesn't bother with dedicated command variants, because it's cheaper to have one common variant for all pilots. The VF-1's the only main fighter that was known to have a command variant. The 2nd Gen VF-4 and VF-5000 didn't, nor did the 3rd Gen VF-11, the 4th Gen VF-19 1st Mass Production Type (VF-19A-E), the 4th Gen VF-171, or 5th Gen VF-24. Command variants only reliably show up in VFs intended for niche operations like special forces units (VF-17, VF-19 2nd Mass Production Type, etc.) or in the isolated case of the Macross Frontier fleet's 5th Gen main VF (VF-25), though it's not clear if they actually use the VF-25S as such or just have everyone in the NUNS operating the VF-25A/C type. The VF-31 follows the central NUNS model of having one variant for everyone.
So, the above picture is a lot like night fighting? And okay, if the differences in heads and colour are quite minor to the point where the CDR might not be singled out unless if they know where to look at the typical engagement speeds , that what's the point of the VF-25G aka that sniper VF?
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5 hours ago, pengbuzz said:
Which means they could paint themselves like an ice cream truck and it wouldn't matter.
*imagines Roy, Hikaru, Kakizaki and Max all slowly trudging through space, their valks blaring some insipid ice-cream truck music*
Roy: "Come get yer free ice cream, you Zentraedi mother..."
Seriously though, in Roy's case, he was the CAG, which meant he pretty much was in charge of all the valks, correct? Or did I misfire n this?
Yes, the CAG is in charge of the planes attached inside a carrier such as the SDF-1.
Command variants of VFs might make sense for the Windermereans due to their chivalry thing but for the UNS/NUNS or the SMS PMC , it does not as it makes officers more obvious as targets. A VF may be peanuts when it is lost, but an officer represents a major cost in terms of investment when he/she is killed or captured.
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46 minutes ago, no3Ljm said:
But would it really matter in-universe? I mean, that's what happened between Roy and Ivanov in Macross Plus. They recognized each other thru the emblem in the fighter. So taking down the leader would mean disorienting the rest of the squad. Is that correct?
Yep. While the differences in heads would not be obvious at the speeds of a typical Macross engagement, colours should be more visible.
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While it's a common trope in anime for mechs to have custom variants for the heroes and commanders to distinguish them from the grunts, what are the in universe reasons for variable fighters having specialised variants for commanders of air groups and squadron leaders? Would'nt it make them a easier target and result in loss of specialist personnel?
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Darn, guess that VFs and Zentraedi are pretty matched as well.