Hayao Kakizaki

Like I said, obtuse in the extreme.

And judging by the following quote:

SORRY, i think this "answer" is proof by the question itself, just a cycle loope, just like someone

cliamed " WHY WHAT I SAID IS THE TRUTH BECAUSE I SAID EVERYTHING I SAID IS A TRUTH AT THE BEGINING~! ".

I wasn't the one displaying anger. But I do admit to justified frustration.

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hey men, "obtuse" not suitable for me , but talking with guy like you make me feel talking with a

paranoia.

What feeling you have didn't need to tell anyone, paranoia always feel frustration and anger also, but that's no meaning to anyone.

How obtuse can a person get???  Seriously, get off your self-assigned high horse and quit the insufferably pedantic diatribe... it does us both a disservice.  Besides, who named you the official Macross KNOW-IT-ALL?  Opinions vary, deal with it!

This is not a question of who is right or wrong regarding artwork and its relation to what is seen in the anime.  This is about Yamato's choice in which forearms go where within their own line of VFs.  All DYRL? 1/48 VFs have the closed elbow extension, and all officially designated TV Valkyries (1Js all) have the open end.  The CF is not labeled as a TV VF-1A, it's named a Mass Production type so it falls in between the two extremes insofar as the toys are concerned: it uses the forearms previously utilized on their DYRL? offerings, but it also has the TV pilot and sticker sheet, as well as the fat hands... it's an amalgam, a chimera; and it is the only one that really has this inconsistency as all the non-canon Valkyries don't count.

Haterist explained it more effectively and succinctly than I did, so if you want to know where my opinion lies, refer to his post.  As far as I'm concerned, calcified opinions are almost impossible to overcome, so I leave you with your bias and I'll stick with mine.

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SORRY MAN, JUST MAKE IT SIMPLE and don't angry, I simply state that there are nothing what so call TV & DYRL ARMS that you can identify by anything else, if yes, please answer the question and don't make yourself angry.

If you know the "[]" shape in the yamato 's is different to the original design, then how come why it will become a DYRL SPECIFY DISIGN that a TV valk's can't apply on?

You asked why the CF'S uses the forearms previously utilized on their DYRL? the answer is very simple,this is because you can't find a black stripe on the forearms in the mecha design line-art .

again in final, I only want to say ,there have no TV & DYRL forearms. If you have it, just go on, don't disturb you, just please, don't tell me what the "flaw of logic".

wrong post

personally i think yamato messed up on the CF, it came with a TV pilot, TV hands, but DYRL arms.  let me explain....

this is only my opinion:

i say DYRL arms cause the CF arms match all the previous DYRL releases, thats is the only reason i say DYRL.   if they matched the TV releases, then i'd call them TV arms but as it stands, i'm going with what makes the most sense to me.

this is fact:

the "TV arms" have only been used on the 1J releases including the stealth.  meaning every 1J valk(total of 4) that yamato's released have all come with "TV arms".  

the "DYRL arms" have been used on the 1A's and 1S's releases.  meaning every 1A(total of 5) and every 1S(total of 2) has all come with "DYRL arms".

so who's right now?  

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SORRY, i think this "answer" is proof by the question itself, just a cycle loope, just like someone

cliamed " WHY WHAT I SAID IS THE TRUTH BECAUSE I SAID EVERYTHING I SAID IS A TRUTH AT THE BEGINING~! ".

The terms "TV ARMS" & "DYRL ARMS" are radically dosen't exist, even on the original mecha design and all the macross toys and model. The TERMS is just CREATE by the PLAYER who BELIEVE the "different" is a "design" of the toys manufacturer.

The only way can provide imformation let us to identify where the valks come form, is just simply compare with the original mecha design, so Ｉ can tell you" YAMATO MESSED UP the CF-1A because it come with a DYRL 1A HEAD, but definitly not because the STRANGE ARMS. " then no one can argue with a 100% correct answer.

I misunderstood nothing.  It's a difference only in Yamato's case, and nowhere else (every model and toy I've ever seen of the VF-1 in any scale 1/144 or larger  has the " [ " shaped elbow extension irrespective of TV or DYRL?.  Like I said, Yamato made the distinction, not I; and comparing a Hasegawa model with a Yamato toy is like comparing apples and oranges, and the only thing I gather from Hasegawa's interpretation is that they chose to be more accurate to the line art and more consistent in their VF-1 versions -- saves money on tolling too.  Yamato, on the other hand, decided to introduce a line-art accurate forearm for its VF-1J which was released in it's TV incarnation, hence Hikaru in his TV flight suit, and subsequently the M&M 1Js (both indisputably TV only Valkyries) with the same style forearms.  One could, therefore, make the assumption that Yamato decided to have 1J specific forearms (the more likely scenario, although I cannot be certain since I do not have their Stealth 1J for reference), or had the initial intention to have a distinction between their TV and DYRL? Valkyries (a possibility disproved by their CF release -- likely derived from a family mold tool issue).

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Actually, did anyone told you the answer? YAMATO? no, right? ANYONE told you: "yes! the arms come with the VF-1J is not just a 1J arms, that represent all the TV valks arms!" ? did yamato told you? Again, did yamato told you they made the arms without the "[" shape is because this is a "dyrl" valks? come on! facing the true, the forearms dosen't mean anything about "TV" and "dyrl" !

if you still think you're right, please don't just look the toy that yamato made. I give you four picture that come from original mecha design, can you help me found out which one is TV, which one is DYRL ? :

Wow! That looks great. It reminds me for the F-4 Phantoms with the south east asia paint schemes of the early 70's.

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IS IT?

The discrepancy between the TV and DYRL? forearms is greater than just the black stripe, which is just paint application; but there are some surface details that are version dependent.  The elbow extension on the TV version, for example, is open in a " [ " shape whereas the DYRL? version is closed.  The forearms are but one of a number of differences between Yamato's TV and DYRL? offerings.

The flaw in logic is Yamato's in not maintaining consistency in their VF-1 releases, vis-à-vis  DYRL and TV specific components.  They choose to make the pilot, fat hand inclusion, sticker sheet, and packaging the defining factors while ignoring the airframe.  This would make more sence if they had never made TV specific forearms, but they did for the 1Js, so not using those in other TV VFs is a bit odd.

As for the LV and Stealth Valkyries, any discussion of where they belong in the great scheme of things is somewhat moot since they are non-canon.

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... seems you misunderstood the concept between TV & DYRL , first, you talk about the elbow extension open in a"[" shape and the new surface details in VF-1J forearms, did anyone told you that is a truly TV specific forearms ?

If you open book or dvd, you still can see the"[' shape also happen in the dyrl valks, what this mean? I think you rather said yamato make the new forearms is just especially for the VF-1J, better than the 1J is a TV version valks.

and one more, did you own a hasagawa 1/72 battroid model? IF what you said is truly a different between TV and Dyrl, why we can found the strip panel line engrave on and the "[" shape in the dyrl valks forearms? Yamato haven't scuplt the strip panel line on the dyrl valk is more like they abandon the detail on it, have it or not it dosen't metter. And about the missing of the "[" shape, is radically a wrong scpult.

So, when we intent to discriminate between TV & dyrl VALKS, the different between the forearms is not a reference point, it just a question about the DETAIL level,I prefer to said yamato make a wrong explanation on all the 1/48 VF-1 forearms , except the 1J .

The only minor flaw in that logic, and trust me your reply makes perfect sense, is that the VF-1A CF comes with DYRL? forearms.  Yamato's reasoning often baffles me.

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Many people think the forearms is a point that to divid the "TV" and the "DYRL" ,but the answer is no. I can tell u the black strip on the forearm is just especially design for the VF-1J, all the VF-1A ,VF-1S and VF-1D are no this strip on the TV mecha design, u can open book to check it out

otherwise, u can see the CF-1A come with a TV pilot, TV palm and TV VERSION sticker sheet,

that's no any flaw in the logic.

**but note that, I don't mean the new speical version valk is a dyrl / tv version valks, I just mean where is the "basic package" come from .**

I don't think the stealth and woodland VF is a LIMITED VERSION VALK,

it was because the old LOWVIZ have many point that different to normal valks,

such as the pre-panel lining ,flat top coating and come with special LOWVIZ sticker sheet,that three point are the two new valks haven't come with, and beside, we can't see any" limited version" wrote on the box, even on the official web page, so we just can call that :SPECIAL EDITION

how does that answer the question? 

if someone could answer the question, i'd appreciate it.   

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the answer is no, and the sticker sheet also is dyrl version，so this is a dyrl repaint version,

no like the CF-1A and stealth VF-1J, both are TV version VALKS

wah nice! where are the white stickers from?

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It's come from takatoy sticker for lowviz

Which won't be going on either of my LV2's either....

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then u must buy a custom decal set for she,

I hate yamato , just provide a normail sticker sheet for this lowviz, even the stealth VF-1J, but this lowviz is better then the stealth, haven't print the SKULL mark on it~

hayao, you live in HK too? damn! wished i had time to meet up with Valk009 back when i was in HK. spent too much time accompany friends shopping, ended up not having enough time to source for Macross.

where did you find those prices? richmond? i didn't manage to go there again after the 1st time when i went there too late and most shops were closed. does richmond have a higher concentration of macross-selling shops?

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yes, iive in HK, and these lowest price is happen on the first 2day when the product release,

a shop in richmond 2nd floor always mark the price neerly same as the dealer price, just make 10-20 dollers(HKD) profit. Another good price shop is in N.T. FAN LANG ,but i don't know exactly location, just my friend told me.

the lowest price in HK I see is:

garland and VF-0: $ 840 HKD (105USD)

stealth super set: $1000HKD(125 USD)

LOWVIZ 2: $730 HKD (91 USD)

the last time I saw the max Q_RAU is in causeway bay, $550 HKD(69 USD),

while the MIRIA Q_RAU are selling in $250HKD (31 USD)

oh, don't panic everyone, the "white" just my repaint job, not factory's work.

any I prefer the "detail" more to the camo function ,and i don't think the little white spot

can affect on that big steel bird

finlish touch up of my LOWVIZ VER.2

hey everyone, finally I NOTE that the seat have been changed since the first issue of the HIKIARU 1S, so, any issue after The Hikaru 1S have a new seat on it.

the different between the two is the upper part of the seat, the new one have a concave that let the helmet of the pilot fit in.

I don't know if anyone state that before,

I found the cockpit pilot seat of the new LOWVIZ and the stealth VF-1 are different from other,

the sculpt of the seat have been change than much best fitting for the lowviz pilot, while the old lowviz just leave the same with the normal one.

TV

1/48 Vf-1J (Hikaru): 000

1/48 Vf-1J (Hikaru FP): 002

1/48 Vf-1J (Miria FP): 001

1/48 Vf-1J (Max FP): 001

1/48 Vf-1S (ROY CM fr dyrl roy 1S): 001

1/48 Vf-1A (MAX CM fr dyrl Max 1A) 001

1/48 Vf-1A (KAKIZAKI CM fr dyrl HIKARU 1A): 001

1/48 Vf-1A (CF CM fr dyrl Hikaru 1A): 001

1/48 Vf-1A (CF): 001

DYRL

1/48 Vf-1A (Hikaru): 003

1/48 Vf-1A (MAX ): 002

1/48 Vf-1A (Kakizaki CM fr Max 1A): 001

1/48 Vf-1S (Hikaru): 001

1/48 Vf-1S (Roy): 002

1/48 Vf-1S (MAX cm fr Hikaru 1S): 001

Variations

1/48 Vf-1A (Low Vis I): 001

1/48 Vf-1A (Low Vis II): 001

1/48 Vf-1J (Stealth): 000

1/48 Vf-1J (Stealth FP): 001

Accessories

1/48 Vf-1 GBP (Blue): 002

1/48 Vf-1 GBP (Camo): 001

1/48 Vf-1 FP: 014

1/48 Vf-1 FP(Clear): 000

Others

1/60 Vf-0S Roy: 001

1/60 QR Mirira: 002

1/60 QR MAX: 001

1/60 VF-1S Roy: 001

1/60 VF-1J HIKARU GBP 001

1/60 VF-1A MAX 001

1/60 VF-1A HIKARU 001

1/60 VF-1A CF 001

1/60 GBP 002

1/100 VB6 Koeing: 001

I hope the production version doesn't come with that white antenna on the backpack. That looks messed up. Other than that, I like the look of this new Low-Vis. And I have to agree with Graham; that green gunpod looks sweet.

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i hope yamato cancel the antenna on the backpack, it's too stupid with that kind of so call "antenna",

many people ask me what is it when they see that , I give them the answer,

their reply is: "....... sorry, I don't get it, never seen any antenna as that thick...."

Still don't have my Super Stealth yet, but got to handle one for a short time the other day and it definitely looks better in person than in online photos.

The Superstealth box is ridiculously huge.

Graham

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yes,the actual stuff is much better than the product shot form yamato,

color not that contrast, and the texture on the body surface look so good~less plastic feel:)

Arent the knees ratcheting joints? Define loose please. I'm getting scared

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I think the kneecap covers are what's loose; not the actual knee joint itself. At least that's how I interpret it. In the pic below, they're opened all the way, so maybe they are loose.

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no, the loose is the knee Horizontal rotation joint, not the kneecap covers,

the kneecap cover must opened to rotate the leg horizontally ,

so u always see the cover down

It's not fair to call that a downside. In the anime, the hands do not retract, so the toy is 100% accuracte to the anime in this regard.

Graham

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yes~! I open the book and compare with the Tenjin's artwork and the original mecha design,

most of detail is accuracte, even the proportion,

but I not satisfy enough is this time not perfect transfrom... the antenna under the fighter head need to detach during transfrom,

maybe we can rotate it to instead detach, but this is very danger that easy to broke the antenna

but I must to say, eliminate the QC problem,

this VF-0 is the best product of yamato since YF-19~!

best production design~best shape~! so many improvement from the 1/48 VF-1,

once I get back the camera, I 'll take some photo and wrote a simple review.

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What kind of improvements????

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no photo, hard to tell you~

some of it is the transform more easy than VF-1,

most of the marking have been pre-print on the body, you can just apply the U.N. arrow sign on it to basically complete the decal.

magnetic attachment of the FP,

more detail sculpt then the VF-1,

also pre-coloring of the missile ~

and more~!

but I must to say, eliminate the QC problem,

this VF-0 is the best product of yamato since YF-19~!

best production design~best shape~! so many improvement from the 1/48 VF-1,

once I get back the camera, I 'll take some photo and wrote a simple review.