lutesla

I remeber that animation sequesce... the bit where the chest is ripped off. Those episodes were always some of my favorite, evgen if they were in the American Robotech franchise. If I remember correctly... The heat shield is connected to the chest plate, it would have to be cause that's where it decends from (behind the air brake). It stands to reason that if the chest plate were torn off, then the heat shield would go too. This means that the cockpit was equaly exposed, from all around. The monitor that decends over the rotated pilot seat obscured part of Britai's (sp?) face. He can be seen peeking around the dead monitor (remember, the head was smashed first... so the monitor had nothing to show). The cockpit would never live up to it's namesake by being like a ZOE mech (what is WITH that anyways?)... The pilot is in the VH-1's equivalent to our solar plexus. -

here's who brought it up without explaining. and this was brought up by nanashi... also without explaination. this is what I said about it: I never said I had it all figured out, and I avoided articles that talked mainly about the study of the earth's magnetic field. This aspect... the one I tried to avoid (because it's only aplication has to do with using the magnetic fields from the molten metal or Plasma, like in power generation... this would not apply to actual propulsion.) you're right that the PDF didn't talk about the subject very much. I was in a hurry and saw how the paragraph on magnetic propulsion was going... and I figured the rest would elaborate, it didn't. I apologise for that. As of yet I don't have a clear understanding of the issue, but my point from the begining is that the word DOESN'T explain anything. I never brought it up... I'm not the buzzword user here. I tried to clear thigns up by appealing to a source that I hoped would, and I didnt' check my source very well. Can you elaborate oh critical one? All you've mentioned is that it has to do with megentism, molten metal and plasmas... geee... that really explained alot. That doesn't even touch on any propulsion at all. Most of the info I found on the internet talked around the issue, or used a long winded version of your same explaination. I was hoping for more elaboration... perhaps when I can get some time away from work I can look it up. There is a great article out there on a Russian transsonic design that runs on magnetic propulsion... but I havn't seen it in years. I just can't figure out why, of all the people who have talked about the "buzz word" you have decided to single me out, especialy since you are doing so to make the point I was trying to make, that the word doesn't explain anything... it's too dang broad As I said before: the pdf didn't explain much, but the whole point I made was that the pdf points to air-breathing aplications... and it mentions the "magic word" of the day... so, regardless of it's flimsyness as a real comprehention builder... it still makes my case by association.-- and pair annihilation would be anitimater right? -

*edit* sorry guys... I need to walk on eggshells a bit more, being new here and all. and after looking around here some more I've found more variety of opinion. Seriously Stamen0083, chill man. You're basicly acting condiscendingly to me and demanding that certain people answer certain questions. relax a bit... I erased my over-reactionary post cause you really hit my buttons with the whole "I don't think you know bal bla... your PDF didn't explain bla bla"... dude, I tried. And when it comes to this topic I've still at least provided more info on the subject than your single sentence. take it easy... I do get the impression that this topic has been talked to death, I just hate to see people throw stuff around and not explain anything, say "this is the official story" and then make up some star-trek Overtechnology explaination about how thermonuclear jets are niether jets... nor are they nuclear. My commet about needing nuclear power for a plasma was indeed technically incorrect. I meant more that a nuclear power source was a sufficient power source... you could technically make plasma in a variety of ways, but for this kind of superheated plasma... and for all that power to be generated on an airplane that can travel in space... and all that jazz, I doubt a big diesel generator would make enough juice. Nuclear is the way to go... unless you're going zero-point or Robotech/protoculture (the stuff, not Macross/protoculture= the extinct race of humanoids). --- I'm not sure I like the post macross 7 magical slant to overtechnology... like everything is all weird and wahcky, and people float stones with enya, and now armor is made of hypercarbons and not titanium, as was generaly thought to be canon a few years ago. Now Valkaries have big space speakers and "guitar sticks" to play live music while dancing around missile swarms... and somehow this sound travels in a vacuum and people hear it and all that. Ok... now I'm indanger of being long winded and offending Macross 7 fans, sorry guys. Macross DYRL and Plus rule!!!! -

not fusion? there are only two major nuclear reactions I know of... that's Fission, (the splitting of a heavy element on the atomic level, it's relativly easy if the element is very heavy... hence Uranium, it can actualy be done to any element above Iron, though... but it gets harder and releases less energy the lighter the element is.) and then there's fusion: fusion is just what it sounds like. Two small things being put together to form a larger one. This is easiest with light elements and is the process that makes the sun burn. The Sun converts Hyrogen into Helium... and in large stars this process can continue all the way up to Carbon, Iron is too heavy... and is dead in the middle of the periodic table (being too light to fission, and too heavy to fuse). Concievably you could get a lot of energy from what's called "zero point" energy... or literaly "energy from nothing". When an absolute vacuum is shielded of all radiation, and EM firlds and even the smallest of dust... it can be observed "vibrating". Basicly nothing has energy. Some scientists theorize that this will the next great energy source because it's free, safe, and potentialy limitless. It's apparently just really hard to do. I know nothing of this "IT thermonuclear" reaction that you speak of. I know that in the bastard-American Robotech "protoculture" was the mysterious energy source that mecha and whatnot ran off of. It supposedly was very energetic for it's mass, and maintained a balance of implosion and explosion, sort of a reaction mass that is always fissioning and fusing all the time. It's an interesting idea. You speak of "plasme being maintained"... what makes it ionized and superheated? Is it Hydrogen plasma... and wouldn't that basicly just be a bunch of protons? A thermonuclear reaction would be needed to put the hydrogen reaction mass in this plasma state... if the Valk was merely "fueled" with plasma... that would have to be some macho magnetically shielded gas pump. If the plasma is generated from a neutral reaction mass... then it can be used as a massivly powerful propellant, and much of the residual heat can be used to generate that enourmous amout of power that Valk reactors are famous for. If it's magnetohydrodynamic... that still doesn't explain anything... as my link pointed out, an airbreathing system can be magnetohydrodynamic... or it could contain a plasma that is released in bursts or pulses. Heck... magnetohydrodynamic is also a word that describes how the movement of the molten core in the earth generates a magnetic field that protects us from solar flares and cosmic rays. It's a very broad term. -

I think the reason why they were so round and brief was from being in space... but you'd get an explosion if you hit a battle pod's presurized cockpit (ie:most of the pod, it's filled with air.), you'd also get a fiery explosion if you released plasma or reaction mass in a chain reaction. The sun doesn't burn oxygen but that doesn't mean it doesn't burn... and brightly too. on the notion of the engines being like rockets in space, again... no one is contesting this. You can't have an air breathing engine where there is no air. I merely made the point that they don't work like just rockets int heair though... if they did, why have a massive air intake? Why show air swirling into it during the first episode of the original series? It's a jet engine. It just so happens to be a theormonuclear jet engine that can switch modes and burn plasmas/reaction mass only when it travels in space. (well, and maybe when in battloid mode, I mean... how can it be a jet then? The intakes are sealed with armor at that time?) (oh, and a base jabber is a booster sled, it carries an MS into combat at greater ranges and at greater speeds than most MS could, since they have limited fuel supply. The MS reclines on the base jabber and it takes him to his location til he ditches it, often using it as a projectile against other MS, it can also be a manned shuttle because it has it's own cockpit.) -

as megnetohydrodynamics apply to propulsion of the air breathing and rocket type systems... this little PDF article does a nice job of explaining some of it. http://www.uah.edu/research/PRC/annual%20reports/fy99_2.pdf It opens up with scram jet tech, so don't think you got the wrong page. the bit on magentic based propulsion systems is 1/3 of the way down. -

I dunno... I think that whatever comes outa that kids head in FLCL would kick everyone's @$$. Or Galactus... or Unicron... no, Jesus... He'd cut everthing in half with that sword thingy coming out of his mouth. Dude... totally. You guys are awsome. -

that link is very interesting... but there's a problem. The valk, and almost all of it's successors use a Fusion Turbine, not a fussion Rocket. There a few ways this could work... I mean... the process of turning the Hydrogen into a plasma might correspond to the "combustion/compression" stage in a jet engine. When in air-gilping mode... the engine might turn the air into a plasma. When in space it would just do this with it's hyrogen stores. like... switch modes sort of. --- I mean... it would have too, because the VH-1 is an air gulper when in the atmosphere. It has massive intakes, and it's engines are called Thermonuclear Jets. SO, at least in the air it can't work like a thermonuclear rocket does... which is what that article is about. -

good analogy... the idea of Gandalf in Narnia made me Chuckle a bit. Oh well, it was worth a shot, I guess I'll just bum around and become an occational regular here by osmosis . Those of you who have been hospitable, I thankyou. -

in my last post, I changed what I wanted to ask of the locals here. I don't want to break the rules so I asked a different question. It's in my quote. --- and for the record, the tech involved is One Year War level Gundam... so aside fromt he MA Elmeth there are no bits or funnels, and there is no Spiritu music-stuff. Just old school MAcross and old school Gundam. It's not VS. it a tech swap... a sort of "how would either side change if they met" not "who would win". I don't care who would win, I'ma tech geek and I'm more interested in what things look like when different rules collide. I know many of you don't like mixing rules cause it often makes for confusion... it's easier if you test all tech trees and technology by what we know scientifically today. You can trace a sci-fi tech back to what inspired it in our modern ideas and sciences. Once you make that connection with real-reality, then the rules all become compatable... but it requires some reining in, and some solidifying of fuzzy concepts. I'm not looking for a fight or a vs... I just just want to discuss this stuff. -

good point. --- I've always been one to try for as solid and realistic a grasp of any univers's tech as much as possible, and have toyed with tech conversions of everything from Macross and starwars, to Gundam and Babylon 5. It can be a lot of fun. The trouble I ran into over at Mahq was that so many of the participants in my little vs. experiements have so little understanding of Macross to make a fair comparison. Gundam to them is all powerful. In truth, I think that in the senario I mapped out Gundam would indeed win, but not til after some very interesting combonations of tech on both sides and some real havok wreaked by the SDF-1/Macross. -- well, if no one here responds, so be it, better to avoid a real mud fight than tempt fate. I guess something I'd like to ask of the local blokes here is this: Q- what do you think would be the outcome of a tech swap between Macross and Mobile suit Gundam? -

Hello Fellow Macross lovers. I am new here, but I am far from a noob to the world of Macross. At the age of six I remember watching Robotech on national TV in the 80's and have owned a bad VHS recorded copy of the entire series long before it was ever available domesticly in the States. Though my exposure to Robotech may make some of you Macross purists Cringe, the idea to combine Macross, Southern Cross and Mospeda into a single series was a production bout of genius (I think). Still, I have grown to love what was intended by Macross' creators more than what Americans got in the 80's. Macross plus and Macross II were both excellent, and I count myself lucky to have seen Macross II in the theater. This is one of the great Anime and Mecha series of all time. My affection for it is only overshadowed by my love of Gundam and that takes a back seat to Jesus... but that's besides the point. --- here's my request for help... I am a member of another site, perhaps some of you know about www.mahq.net . It is one of themost comprehensive sites about japanese mecha, and especialy concerning Gundam. It even does a rather nice job on Macross. My situation is this, I have started a topic on the forums there concerning Gundam and Macross. The problem is that despite the wonderful and accurate comentary there about Mobile suit Gundam, there are too few fans pf MAcross on Mahq, and there are few who have responded to my Macross vs. Gundam thread with any fair knowledge of Macross... even though copious informatrion is available on that selfsame site. Would any of the Macross experts here, who also have an apreciation and strong grasp of Mobile Suit Gundam, join me in that forum and put in your two cents concerning such a what if senario? Any informed opinion would be greatly apreciated. Note: I don't want to start a flame war at Mahq, and if you can't behave then please just tell me what you think in this thread. The last thing I want is to get banned at Mahq, or start an inter-anime internet war. We're friends here, and Gundam lovers and Macross lovers can get along. Thankyou for any help, comments or support. here's a link to the Thread and the details of the senario: http://p080.ezboard.com/ffantasyandanimati...picID=800.topic I started another thread there that is more a "what if the macross first crashed in the Mobile Suit Gundam during the One Year War instead of the Macross Earth in the 20th century during WW3"... so if that one wets your appetite as well, here's a link for it: http://p080.ezboard.com/ffantasyandanimati...picID=802.topic Thanks: Steve, aka: "lutesla" -