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Doesn't that get Jossed by the alternate video version of the Sayonara no Tsubasa end credits sequence, where everyone's dandy?

I'd appreciate a link to that.

Britai did show himself very able in hand-to-robot-hand combat so I guess he had a lot of training in that, and quite possibly did participate in battles.

The kick-ass "JUNNA shows off her English lessons" song appears to NOT be included in the OST and Walkure album so far?

Bonus question: If Freyja's accent was US-localized, what would it be? Midwestern? Appalachian? Is it especially weird-sounding Japanese?

I know nothing about her Japanese, but if I were to cast a dub, I'd give her Andrea Libman... better known in some circles as Pinkie Pie. Just for the somewhat-obvious reference, which is more than the colour scheme.

I think both debaters are right.

Ernest Johnson is not a great captain in combat (he is much better at providing for his troops outside of battle than at leading them in battle - and it is the "outside" part, the support, logistics etc, that Gramia was probably learning from him).

But also there does seem to be something fishy re the NUNS captain and Windermere.

Just realized...

Adds to my difficulty suspending disbelief. No strategists around? On any side? (Except Bogue, who keeps trying to take out Walkure and that actually makes sense - and is not a spoiler because he has been doing it since episode 1 or something).

Neutral vote and my cursor hovered over Negative for a while. Animation ok, sometimes (mecha) even good, but I had a hard time suspending disbelief.

As I mentioned, my 11 year old some skipped over most of Universal Bunny. Not my idea. His idea. I decided he was old enough for MF movies and rewatched them with him. And yes, most of the time he was just trying to understand who are the "real bad guys". But, he skipped over that...

What the hell? Did the Protoculture mix Seals and Cats in Seacats? There are marsupial Cats on Zola. Voldorans are cat people.

Does this mean Vajra wasn't their only obsession?

Well yes, as I wrote already, there seems to have been a Protocatture.

Just rewatched the Frontier movies and realized I don't understand something.

Why did the Vajra destroy Macross Galaxy?

They were attacking Frontier because they wanted Ranka. Sheryl, another person they might possibly want, was also on Frontier at the time. So what caused them to attack Galaxy and (at least in Movie-verse, don't remember how it goes in the series) to shoot at refugee ships? They were not yet under any human control, as far as I could understand.

I would apreciate some enlightenment as to where (as in series, novels, etc) one can see civilian market Valkyries. I seem to have missed this part.

(Basara's does not count, it was military surplus by way of connections).

I can just see little kids rocking out to Basara.

You can see them animated in Delta, too, so it looks like this is a well known phenomenon

I'm struggling with how to explain the obligatory "shower scenes" in even tame fare like Macross, Southern Cross and Gundam.

Well, my kids did not have a problem with the SDFM shower scene. She is just washing, so what, we all do. The panties episode of MF series would be way too much, though. And as it turned out even Universal Bunny was too much.

I am hoping they don't block it, but add subs to flip HG the bird and reach the Western fans.

If it's the one I heard of they will have seiyuu comments. I'd LOVE to view that with subs. To hear JUNNA's thoughts in particular would be really awesome.

(JUNNA could voice them in English but I guess she won't do that before she actually lands at a Western con).

(And yes I'm fanboying her and I'd totally go to a concert (and is there a CD I can buy without paying a fortune to the Japanese post service?))

(And this has so many brackets it's looking like LISP code)

PS - Isn't it great that Elysion would not lift off from its resting place, but instead terrify everyone while flying directly over their city as it maneuvered to the water? I get that they probably wanted to use the ocean as a way to baffle the blast from the engines as she lifted off (much as they do in a real-life rocket launches), but why not go further out to sea instead of bathing every citizen in hot boiling steam in the process? To say nothing of the fish and mercats turned into cooked foodstuffs?

I thought it was using the gravity engines at that point, not the rocket engines? Then over the sea the rocket engines kicked in with their own distinctive noise (and animation).

With gravity engines, this move might have been an intentional "parade".

My ears are still ringing from 7. He can watch that on his own!

If he can, he likely will, and his ears are gonna love it if he is like certain other boys Totsugeki love HEAAART!

(I actually like the music in 7 too, but not the animation and the length, so my kids watched that one on their own. Even though I still theoretically want to, it's just too big. Perhaps I should get to it but skip over the battles?)

18:33.

yes indeed, thanks!

Honestly, the love triangle seems a bit contrived to me. I mean, I certainly understand Freyja's crush. But Mirage is a bit too much of by-the-book tsundere. (And Hayate does not seem to be thinking about "this stuff" at all, somewhat like series!Alto).

Yeah, I don't see Frontier on our playlist any time soon!

Sheryl is definitely NSFKids.

Maybe Mac II and then Plus (Subs only in my house from here on!)

Seven might work well, too (sans Dynamite; I think Sivil is safe enough for modern kids). And yes, Delta!

Ah yeah! I did post my experiences from time to time but never realized this should really be a thread.

So my 11yo son yesterday got a watch of both Frontier movies. He asked to skip over the raunchy part of Universal Bunny (his idea, not mine), so I guess if we get to the MF series he'll need to skip the panties episode.

He bombarded me with questions about who the real bad guys are - the Grace/Galaxy team or the Mishima/Frontier team. I was not sure what to answer though it seems to be "fanlore" that movie!Grace is somewhat better than series!Grace.

Lots of other questions too, I don't remember many of them. I'll ask him which ones I should find out for him on the Forum.

Previously, a couple of years earlier, he (then 9) and his brother (then 4) got to watch DYRL then SDFM then Macross 7 and enjoyed it all, especially Macross 7. That's when I understood that M7 was probably made *for* preteen boys - they were quite grand with all the stock footage and the repeated songs and the similar battles - and the BOMBA! They also liked the song Dynamite, but I had to keep them off the OVA because of the lesbian rape scene. I'll probably let the elder boy have that soon, in my presence.

He also started on Delta and likes it a lot. And Delta does not seem to have Frontier levels of raunch in it, so it will really suit them both - except the younger one (now 5 and a half) can't read subs, I'l have to get him a voiceover.

I never tried giving them Plus because even I have a hard time tracing stuff in Plus. The elder one should probably be ready for Plus soon enough, though.

Mirage's stare at Freyja there was pretty telling.

I seem to have missed that one - care to point out a timestamp?

Neutral. I really really liked the animation. I am not sure about the plot.

In Macross Plus, didn't Guld try to rape Myung?! Maybe why I never finished that one...

Do finish that one. Basically, this was the suspicion, but the true story is revealed towards the end.

My 11yo son has watched Delta ep1. His reaction - looks like the Walkure are protected more than a Valkyrie.

Those rockets (he does not know the words "Itano circus" yet) would have destroyed a Valk, right? Even with the energy conversion armour? Or could something like a VF-31 take that much?

The show seems to have taken a big step back from fanservice in general, which I think is a good thing. It doesn't offend me, but there were several times in Frontier that left me rolling my eyes and feeling like I needed to apologize to my wife that this really wasn't "that" kind of show. I'm liking Delta's more mature presentation.

Yes Yes YES THIS. And I am saying this mainly as a parent. I have two sons, who, when they were 9 and 4, enjoyed SFDM and M7. And wanted more. And I could not give them Frontier because, mainly, of that panties episode. I will give them Delta now.

(The elder boy is now 11 and I will get him Frontier, with some explanation, but for the younger boy, a 6 year old, I don't think Frontier is fitting, exactly because of that.BTW I also did not give them M7 Dynamite because of the attempted lesbian rape).

Wasn't she naked (albeit featureless) in the end of episode 1?

Sailor Moon type nakedness does not count, usually, for this type of law, but bring in any actual features...

Anyway I like the way they are taking it. There's fanservice galore, just not the simple/naked variety. #TeamMakiReina

Yep, because the Evangelion kids where all older than 18.

Unfortunately some countries' censorship law has tightened up since the original EVA. I do suspect some parts of EVA are technically illegal in Russia and Ireland, as both of these countries ban "depictions or descriptions" of sexual actions by children (under 18 in Russia, 17 in Ireland) without much clarification. (I am from Russia and live in Ireland so I try to keep up with the laws of these two),

Finally watched it.

I was shocked to see that they could do a medical scan that didn't involve anyone being naked for the sake of fan service.

Might have something to do with Freyja being 14. Her being naked would make the show borderline illegal in quite a few countries.