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13 hours ago, Roy Focker said:

My god a topic I started 16 years ago and I haven't aged a single day.

Enlisted flyers was a thing during WW2.  I suspect it was the same case on board the VF-1.  They were cut off from their normal resources.  Pilots were needed even if they were Corporals.

At a guess the reason Hikaru started as a Sargeant instead of a Corporal lime Max and Kakizaki is because he already knew how to fly (and he'd already been in combat in a valkyrie) so he didn't have to go through badic flight training so was able to get some additional officer/NCO training.

If you want Macross II references you might want to watch M7 again. A lot of the background music in the first few episodes come from MII.

Also the Metal Siren from Macross II

On 10/25/2019 at 10:40 AM, M'Kyuun said:

Her brain is organic- No, just no. Full cyborg with a cyberbrain that is also manufactured. As she said in the original, the govt pretty much owns her, and her other cyborg comrades, until they can pay off the hardware. I realize they were trying to humanize her for the film, but I think they should have stayed true to the original character in this regard.

 

Just thought I should point out that Kusanagi's brain was always organic. The cyberbrain is an implant that interfaces with her brain, cybernetics, the ports in her neck etc. Even the almost 100% organic human, Togusa has a cyberbrain (the cyberbrain and it's related connections and ports are his only cybernetics)

1 hour ago, kajnrig said:

...what even is robotech remix

Crap.

Seriously though, Robotech Remix is the latest robotech comic series. There is a thread about in the anime or sci-fi section. 

10 hours ago, jeniusornome said:

Official english subtitle/dub releases in the US:

SDF Macross: US DVD release by AnimEigo in early 2000s. English subtitles, no dub. Out of print.

also a DVD release by ADV films with subs and an English dub track. Out of print.

Macross II: US DVD release by US Renditions (later by US Manga Corps I think). English dub... I don't think we ever got the Japanese audio track here. Out of print.

Macross Plus: US DVD release by US Manga of both series and movie versions. English dub, english subtitles. Out of print.

 

Macross II was released in both english dubbed and  subtitled versions on VHS then rereleased as a 'movie' version. DVD has both english dub and subtitle tracks.

It was Manga Ent., not US Manga Corps, that released them  (originally US Renditions for Macross II)

Thanks Seto.

Is there any information about how the VF-24 compares to the VF-25, VF-27 or YF-29? How about the YF-29 vs. YF-30? I'm asking because I've gotten into a debate with someone about these and whether or not Zola (and the Macross 7 fleet) got monkey models of the VF-19 and, unfortunately all I can find on the Macross Mecha Manual about the 24 is on the Evolution.

On 9/7/2019 at 8:43 AM, Einherjar said:

They can throw pretty much anyone they want in that mess.  It does not change the fact that all those imitation Macross, Southern Cross, and Mospeada characters in the comics are going to have Transformers quality dialogue coming out of their mouths in addition to the exposition Robotech is notorious for.

Somehow I doubt it'd be that good. I epexct The Room quality of dialogue.

14 hours ago, Knight26 said:

So I was, doing what I do, and out for a drive when I had a thought.  Could Robotech, aside from the original anthology of mecha series idea, have been done in such a way that it didn't insult the originals as badly?  And I came up with an answer, yes.

Ok, put away the torches and pitchforks and hear me out.
Thanks to the Macross sequel series, and even some SDF and DYRL lore, we know that other alien races do/did exist in the Macross universe, the Protoculture just had a habit of modifying or wiping them out.  Using that as a starting point I figured HG could have made SDC Southern Cross and GC Mospeada quasi sequels to Macross, without majorly rewriting the stories.

#1  Macross stays as written in Japan, maybe westernize the names like was their original intent:  Hikaru Ichijo become Rick Yamata and so forth.
#2  Put more emphasis on the colonization efforts at the end of Macross.
#3  SDCSC becomes exactly what it was originally, a startup colony on an abandoned, yet habitable world.  The OG inhabitants come back, possibly a protoculture offshoot race, and aside from that the story remains the same.  Also Dana would not be Komillia, but the green haired girl could be.
#4  GCM still takes place on Earth, but have a voice over that the UN Spacey was so busy creating colonies and sending out colony fleets that they left the devastated Earth largely undefended.  The Inbit come, the colonies strike back, Mospeada can be left alone.  And if they absolutely need a connection to the OG Macross, Make Stick Max's Nephew or a minor characters child.

Other series could also then be integrated assuming that remained a hit, which it likely would.  Megazone would take place somewhere between SDCSC and GCM.  You might be even be able to bring in series like Orguss, Dougram, Dorvack and maybe even Votoms, each taking place on another colony world.

Then when Big West started making sequels, HG could have gone to them, hat in hand, showing them what they did and ask permission to use the real Macross sequels.  How that would have effected the stories that came later, who can say, but it might have made the issues between BW and HG far less contentious and could have allowed proper releases of Macross series and merch in the US easier.

Anyway, just a random thought that came to me.

This is shockingly similar to an idea I had.

17 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Or something like this, just with giant robots...

 

 

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Hmmm. I'm not sure but I think they failed their stealth check.

3 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Pretty much, but I get a chuckle out of the idea of a bunch of giant robots tiptoeing around.

 

Ja, though since the only spec we've had is for a further-customized racing plane we don't know by how much.

Hakuna Aoba, being a reasonable man and a model of restraint and moderation, decided his VF-1X++ wasn't competitive enough so he swapped the engines for a pair of LAI-made engines meant for an unmanned fighter with comparable power to a VF-22 and then strapped rocket boosters to the sides.  Nothing says safe sport like an almost totally uncontrollable mess that's forever breaking down and always one twitch away from being a slowly dissipating fireball, right?

(It says something that league champ Nicolas Francois Berthier flies a VF known for its habit of SPONTANEOUSLY EXPLODING and Hakuna Aoba's VF-1X++ Custom is considered less safe.)

Wait wouldn't that tend to make your racing career fairly short?

6 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

IIRC it's just the Combo Pack versions of the movies.

You recall correctly, Seto.

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Just this one? https://www.amazon.com/Theatrical-Feature-Macross-Shudisuta-Japan-4924897011/dp/B00HHLI1PG

Bleh, even on Amazon Japan it's like $100 before shipping. 

Looks like it, Sanity. It's a bit hard to tell as the art work is somewhat different and the box in the pic is black (my copy is mostly white) but I believe it's that one.

As to the price; you can pretty much thank HG for that as I'm pretty sure Frontier would have been lisenced over here if it weren't for them

5 hours ago, mechaninac said:

The one that made it to its destination with nary an incident...

Damn. Beat me to it

In 2012(?), after Kamjin and Lap Lamis killed themselves attacking the Macross, in the last episode of the original series, she underwent a refit (the first of many that she'd undergo between then and the current time in the Macross franchise)  which made her look like the DYRL version.

8 hours ago, Master Dex said:

No, and it's pretty much an impossibility due to the usual culprits that keep most of Macross out of America.

(Not for nothing, but even if HG wanted to do it, which 20 years later there is no reason they'd bother now, licensing all the music could be a nightmare of expenses)

On the Macross 7 trivia page on TV tropes they paraphrase an ADV -they didn't say who so make of this what you will (personally I just find it an amusing quote)- who was asked about Macross 7 at a con.

"Maybe if every licensing group in the US pooled their money together, we'd be about

a third of the way to bring over M7 with all of its songs intact."

You know what's really odd is that the ship is much clearer in the picture of the cover no3Ljm posted than the actual book cover I saw in the store.

So I was a the grocery store today and saw Ben Bova's "Apes and Angels" and saw somthing familiar on the cover:

https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-7653-7952-8

I'm trying to find a better picture of the cover

On 2017-01-18 at 7:43 AM, Einherjar said:

 

From Orguss.

Not that weird. Orguss has a lot of Macross  references

At a monthe short of my 42 b-day I'd probably be dead.

So how do the VF-19 and VF-22 compare to the VF-29, Vf-31, and YF-30?

Sorry, I actually intended to post more earlier but had to leave for work and azrael brought up a point I would have made if I had had more time.

Actually, in space ships and fighters are very maneuverable and could do stuff like a 90 or 180 degree turns, flying backwards, etc. Just see Episode 6 of Delta where Messer and Keith dogfight and Mirage flies backwards while shooting.

Yes and no. In ship mode the cannon is fixed forward and to turn the ship left or right to reposistion the cannon will take longer, and require more effort, than it would in storm attacker mode. This video, starting at 24:30 demonstrates this (I remember this demonstartion being done in my highschool physics class)

Further, the firing arc is significantly larger than the ship form, especially for newer Macross's which put the cannon on an 'arm mount' instead of the booms of the original. Also, the storm attacker mode of newer Macross's allow the ships to sweep the beam (the Macross 7 does this in at least one episode of Macross 7) letting them hit more enemy ships.

So... has there been any explanation why the Macross capital ships transform, other than the SDF-1? If I recall the SDF-1 had to transform in order to rewire some stuff to fire the cannon; i.e., the cannon wouldn't work unless the ship was configured in such a way. What is the purpose of the other ships (Battle-class, Elysion, Quarter, etc.) transforming? Why not just fire?

It's more maneuverable.

I assume that either the New Unity Government never sold them barrier technology or that the colony fleet that came into contact with them didn't have variable fighters with barriers

... that is an excellent question.

I'd assume that they would ordinarily be able to, if only Heinz were not using that Protoculture artifact and the associated shrine and ruins to mechanically amplify his already-formidable fold receptor factor to overpowering levels.

(Essentially, I'm guessing he's transmitting as such a high power that jamming it with Chuck's fold-wave radar would be like trying to jam a radio station with a cell phone.)

Another problem with that is that it, even if they weren't using the protoculture ruins) would jam Walkure as well which is an issue since the Windermeans start their attacks by triggering a var outbreak which means that NUNS would have to fight their own, out of control, forces (bad for morale) as well as the Windereans.