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No, nothing new. Just the same old stuff. Just a guy talking about the past and convincing himself that there's only a couple of people in the world who actually had issues with Robotech's direction. It was pretty boring, and IMO, it seemed like Tommy was kinda tired of talking about Carl, and about all that past stuff. He at least has more energy when talking about that stuff.

I guess that's what happens when you're forced to attend every single major anime and media convention year in year out, and answer every stupid question from the fanboys... It's going to be a looong year!

Do McKeever and Yune EVER take responsiblity for something negative? It's like a corporate Bush Administration...

I think McKeever at one point complained loudly on some message board that fans are too demanding, too entitled, and that they're undermining what they're trying to do with the property. Funny stuff.

But the only way franchises survive is by continual reboots. All the succesful ones such as Transformers, Gi-joe, Star Trek, BSG, TMNT and Gundam (which has now gone back to the UC which started it all.

Apparently, even WB decided Looney Tunes needed a face-lift:

If it just disappears into obscurity, I'd be OK with that too. It's sad for "enlightened Robotech fans" to see the garbage that it's become, and if it just died out, at least it'd be a good memory as a kid or whatever.

As far as I'm concerned, Scott Bernard is still out there looking for Rick Hunter. Shadow Chronicles NEVER EXISTED.

BTW, I think MEMO posted more of that 2011 "Animation on Display" Panel

Can someone watch this and see if they dropped anything remotely interesting? Is Kevin McKeever still blaming fans for being impatient?

I just saw the

Will Robotech be so lucky?

yeah a full reboot will save RT. And they can keep the same fundamentals. But changed the approach. Away from Macross.

Is that wise, though? One of the reasons I hear Shadow Rising failed to materialize is because Tommy Yune wanted more creative control on the property. Well, we all know how Shadow Chronicles turned out - not a full on disaster, but clearly uninspired on many levels. Would you really want Tommy Yune getting his grubby fingers on any Robotech reboot?

As Keith said, just put it out of its misery, and remember the "good times". Or as Tom sorta put it, kick out these idiots before they waste millions of more dollars and wasted potential.

Hold on now!

What's this I hear about new animation for Robotech? Why has there been ZERO buzz about this new project as of late? You'd think the hardcore fanboys would go crazy for this crap! Doesn't any of these balding Robotech con-attendees use twitter, or blog, or any of the innovations of the social media age?

Come on now. Do attendees sign non-disclosure agreements? What's the deal here?

Toynami apparently still has a use for the Robotech name even when promoting visibly marked Macross toys.

Calling Robotech "death" is a bit over dramatic, don't you think? I don't have any issues with Robotech (at least it's original inception, that's not counting Shadow Chronicles or anything after). What is the cancer of Robotech though, are the so-called fans, that seem to be brought up over and over in these threads and other websites. But, that's neither here nor there. It's been nice and quiet, and not having to recap on stupidity has been a good thing as of late.

Robotech makes people create podcasts.

http://io9.com/5743106/first-look-at-the-anime+style-thundercats

So... when are they remaking Robotech for the new generation?

At least the faithful will get a wallet, and reprinted comics from early 2000.

Wow. I never realized how tragic Harmony Gold's story was until I read Tom's story. The franchise was at a crossroad, and they chose a weak leader with a weak vision and the fans are paying for it. What a shame.

Isn't it funny that Memo may have been the one of the major causes why the franchise has "failed" in the last four years? He screwed friendship and family all in the name of being Tommy's #1 fan.

Yuck.

I'm in the conspiracy to turn Robotech into Macross, infiltrating their websites to spread lies about the upcoming worldwide Robo-mania because I'm jealous of how huge Robotech's going to be. Macross will disappear as the prophet rhade predicted. There's only going to be Robotech. At that time the loyal love feeling Robotech fans will be rewarded with virgins and the hate-filled Macross purists will burn in Hell for all eternity. My job as a Macross purist is to subvert the success of Robotech so it never happens and we get the virgins. I'll do this by posting on Internet forums which we have determined is the weak spot of Harmony Gold and Warner Bros.

A Robotech jihad? That's just silly.

Colors are pretty awesome. I just hope the story is coherent.

"Sh!t or get off the pot" best sums up the whole situation. If they're going to make something, do it. If they're not, sell the license to someone who gives a crap so we can finally get more Macross. Bandai Entertainmet, Funimation, etc, I'm sure would be interested in purchasing the license for a reasonable price. And both would have a much easier time dealing with Big West. Sure Tommy is butt hurt over the thorough panning that Shadow Chronicles got, and yet, if he can't handle it, he needs to either find someone who can, or reccomend HG do exactly what I just said they should.

What they're doing isn't fair to their fanbase, let alone us.

The reason they're happy being complacent until now is because they're still swimming in that money they got from Warner Brothers. How much do you think they paid for all the rights? A million dollars? Two million? Ten??

That leaked picture still doesn't jive with a dub of LLA.

I don't think that image is some big secret. In fact, I recall seeing that same image used in some anniversary booklet/wallpaper or something. Besides, wouldn't a pic of Lancer singing give away the identity of the project? Also, lets not forget that Tommy believes Robotech needs big boobies to sell itself better to the modern anime audience.

Maybe if they were planning on something slightly more interesting, like a completely re-animated robotech-centric take on LLA, you know, like retcon recaps of Mospeada era episodes with new animation to reflect their current designs & sh!tty robotech music, that might be worth something.

I understand your concern. I wish I were wrong, but d'ya really think Harmony Gold, after the hoopla of selling the rights to WB, and flushed with the "success" of Shadow Chronicles between 2007 and 2009, would somehow think about pooling enough funds to animate a sidestory?

On the flipside, if it was 100% un-edited LLA with Japanese dub, subtitles, and reversable cover, that I wouldn't mind. Until such time, I'll enjoy my R2!

Harmony Gold has made a couple of attempts throughout the years to block people from producing content dedicated to the orignal Mospeada so... why start now?

Now, the idea just seems like an afterthought, something to try to keep a failing spark alive.

Looking back at the San Diego and AnimeExpo Robotech panels - the "new animated movie" announcement shtick felt a bit... desperate. (remember the guy who got banned for "leaking" that picture?)

To be fair, maybe the idea of releasing a redubbed LLA isn't the worst idea Harmony Gold can come up with. Jason is right - the timing seems awful.

Had they released this in 2004, people might've given a crap.

Y'see, 2004 was the beginning of Harmony Gold trying to exploit the New Generation license. They released the forgettable "origin" story of Lancer Dancer and an awful FPS game called Robotech: Invasion (see Youtube for gameplay videos) - so what better way to round out this crapfecta than with the LLA redub?

It didn't happen. So now they announced it shortly after Carl Macek passed away - claiming it's got something to do with Macek's legacy. I guess if you slap in some kind of documentary of Robotech and its fandom, it could work...?!?

He's talking about the following warning that's currently attached to each and every cup/mug in the robotech.com store:

In a way, it's kind of messed up... when McDonalds found out that their commemorative Shrek glassware might contain cadmium in the art from Shrek printed on it, they issued a massive voluntary recall, but Harmony Gold just slapped a warning on the store entry and kept selling them as usual.

*Wah wah waaaaahh*

Yes, this was a fan produced video.

Some Japanese names flashed onscreen for a few seconds, before a Legioss lands on them and shoots it down.

I think Bandai, and BW know that they don't really have to release it overseas. it is out, and has a decent fanbase (all of us for example) that will spend money the get the merchandise. (the only reason that I say Bandai, is that there name is all over the Games and Blu-ray releases as sponsors of the show)

And while Macross fans overseas have a healthy diet of cool merchandise based on the original series and its spinoffs, certain Robotech fans can only twiddle their thumbs and spend the lot of their time speculating, like this charming fellow:

http://www.robotechx.com/forums/43-movies-and-sci-fi/13711-warner-brothers-sam-raimi-qearth-defense-forceq-.html#13731

As one poster puts it:

Seems like some people get carried away over potentially nothing.

You can't make me care any more about spell check than I don't. Also, no, court case did not say Tatsunoko owned the scripts, it said Tatsunoko woned the final produced animation (which the audio was included in) with rights to distribute it outside of Japan (along with merch).

Wait.

Can't be reasoned with?

Spell checks people when being presented facts?

Thinks Harmony Gold is in the right?

Troll.

Big West represented all the major players involved in court to afirm their "rightful" ownership of the intellectual properties that comprise Macross. You're argument is equal parts inane & wrong.

Truth be told, a lot of hardcore Robotech fans involved in the 'debate' simplify a lot of things to support their little theories. Remember that little roundabout with Memo a few months back? God, that was pointless.

Whatever proof you throw at this guy, he just ain't listening. I say we cut our losses, and just be glad as hell Harmony Gold doesn't have access to the Macross character designs. Serves em' right!

No, there's no real push to import new Yamato stuff...all that starblazers.com has is insightful, well-researched articles about the history of Yamato and Star Blazers, tons of translated interviews with the original staff, and a tremendous photo gallery of vintage Yamato merchandise.

Which is far better tan anythng on RT.com

Sarcasm mode initiated.

What you say is meaningless.

Harmony Gold is a super awesome company.

They love (to milk dry) their fanbase.

And come up with quality merchandise.

They create new and original stories.

And give credit where credit is due.

Sarcasm mode disabled.

Steve Yun once asked me how I'd feel if people criticized my work and called it stupid or bad.

Did you tell to find another job? Please tell me you did.

Apparently, HG has their own definition of 'originality', aka reusing old stuff over and over or alternatively, taking credit for other people's work.

Pfft. Originality.

For the benefit of the casual viewers of this thread, the following Youtube links are for MOSPEADA: LOVE LIVE ALIVE.

Mospeada Love Live Alive

PART1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn78tdcPZx8

PART2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSRsPGNUi1o&feature=related

PART3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDQEk9dkH6M&feature=related

PART4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EydGZpEG704&feature=related

PART5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgJXtE3jKb8&feature=related

PART6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnvAwZreDYI&feature=related

PART7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXiRs_0dt0Y&feature=related

PART8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2L4slpa1Nc&feature=related

The infamous loli scene:

Possible "enhancements" by Harmony Gold:

Spliced in Macross / Southern Cross footage?

New songs sung by Michael Bradley / singing voice of Lancer Dancer?

Spliced images of Carl Macek???

Any guess as to the new name?

Robotech: Love Live Alive and more?

Robotech: BOMBAAAA?

Robotech: 25th Year of Milking the Franchise?

If HG really want to stop the distribution of Macross around the world they have failed. They should just concentrate on new works of there own instead of trying to hold onto the old.

I believe Harmony Gold employs a full-time new age guru, telling the staff... "If you hold out long enough the Japanese will surrender their rights to you..."

I think HG is doing anything to stay in the lime light. Not producing anything, but trying to make out how important they are to the Anime community....

You're overanalyzing.

It doesn't mean anything except ol' chubby cheeks is enjoying his newfound rockstar status, as well as being "fresh new face of Robotech", especially now that Macek is gone.

Based on all the info Tommy has hinted at, I'm pretty sure that this "new" project is actually old animation that just needs redubbing and mixing of sound. If I am correct in my research, it's probably gonna be brought with many more questions than answers.

A remastering of Sentinels? Doesn't have Sera.

A redubbing of that obscure 80's Mospeada concert video that followed the show? Makes sense.

It's connected with Tatsunoko, and its "in line with Carl Macek's vision" too. It also makes a perfect accompanying piece to the planned Carl Macek tribute documentary as well, for extra brownie points to hardcore fans.

You can't fault HG for trying to squeeze Macek's death for all its worth. If this is true then I hope they won't keep the profits all to themselves.

Not sure how Wildstorm's fate is tied to Robotech, but here's some news from Comic Book Resources:

The short list of notable moves includes the relocation of DC's digital and administrative departments to Burbank, California while publisher remains in New York and the parallel shuttering of two DC imprints – most notably the La Jolla, CA-based WildStorm brand whose books will either be cancelled for the time being (in the case of the struggling WildStorm superhero universe) or shifted back to DC proper (in the case of the more lucrative licensed comics program). Many questions linger thanks to these changes, including which employees of DC will be asked to move or be let go and which comics and characters will live on in the months ahead.

This is not a cost cutting initiative and it is not a situation where we are assuming DC functions into Warner Bros. We’re looking for opportunities to work together, not to collapse DC in to Warner Bros. - Diane Nelson, DC Entertainment President

What I want to know is are my old rotting Robotech comics worth something!?

That sucks, especially since I was looking forward to another trade paperback of rehash enhanced and new material for the lover & war stories

You like seeing Max Sterling cry?

Boy do I know the Robotech.com ban hammer...

...The real final straw was when I said on the Robotech.com forums that the crew basically threw the non-cannon storylines into the trash. The day after I posted that, I had my posting privileges over there permanently revoked.

"Now it's personal." - Steve Yun

I heard at one point that MEMO or some other shmuck said the they wanted the RT boards "controversy-free" because Warner Brothers was watching. I guess now that Steve has become even less active probably means they don't give a sh*t anymore. Or the housing market is booming.

What Seto's actually saying is, VOLTRON is remembered much more fondly that ROBOTECH.

People actually remember Robotech really, really fondly. To a lot of creative individuals especially, its right up there with Starwars. Voltron? Not so much. Voltron gets laughed at more often though... is that really a good thing?

I could name names... but that might be hitting below the belt.

Whoa.

Whoa.

WHOA.

I didn't say nothing.