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Wikipedia Its lifestyle over genetics. Apparently everyone in Robotech weight lifts and bulks up while the people of Macross slouch around enjoying culture and listen to music.

Whatever, my point wasn't about what was retconned the birth years or the timeline, it was that in DYRL Hikaru and Minmey were made to be the consenting age of 18 unlike the series.

Retconed was probably the wrong word, but I do remember reading that the events portrayed in Macross DYRL to takes place in 2011 in the Macross timeline making all the characters 2 years older then they were in the 2009 series timeline. On another note I was also thinking since Macross II is considered a parallel Macross universe with no plans of a sequel or any new merchandise perhaps WB should try obtaining the rights to use the Macross II designs in the LAMR. I am sure BW would be much more willing to license rights for Macross II then any other Macross.

According to Article 134 Uniform Code of Military Justice - UCMJ "Carnal knowledge is a violation of this article. Indecent acts or liberties with a person under the age of 16. The punishment for Carnal knowledge is a dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 15 years." So the funny thing is that in the SDF Macross timeline its not a military crime for 19 year old Misa to do 16 year old Hikaru before he even joined the military, but if Hikaru did Minmay before she turned 16 after becoming a pilot he would face military confinement for 15 years. For MDYRL though they got smart and retconed the timeline to 2011 to make even Minmay 18 so that no one would cry "It's still a felony!" when he tried to take her to the love hotel.

While we are at it lets ask WB to make a Live Action adaption of the Robotech Sentinels Winter Wonderland Comic

Tobey joked with Howard Stern years ago that he would like to bang the Olsen twins, but that he would wait until they were 18 or go to Brazil... People want Miley as Minmei not because she might hook up with Tobey, but because she is attractive, she can actually sing, and its stereotypical to have a southern girl date her cousin. Gatchaman slapping Professor Nambu taught the art of pimp slapping at candidate school until he was killed by Kamjin-wannabe Ecobosular. http://www.anime-cel.com/gatchamaniac/pict...ar_headshot.jpg

Arcadia of Hunter's youth... Good point. Why use the power of song when you can just use the unstoppable... DAEDALUS BITCH SLAP ATTACK!!!!! Probably because they want the role filled by a familiar Disney star that they know can actually sing. Also Vanessa Hudgens is half chinese like Minmei was, but if your going to have Minmei date her cousin in the movie then their probably going to use a southern girl like Miley Cyrus. Maybe they should just follow Macross Frontier's example and have two voices for one singing idol! Vanessa Hudgens will act and sing as Minmey while Miley Cyrus provides the southern accent for Minmai's regular voice! She screwed up her personal life when she send nude photos of herself to her boyfriend via cellphone only to get them leaked everyone on the net. Come to think of it is Disney still doing a Live action adaption of Star Blazers? IMDB has Star Blazers listd as in development for a 2010 release: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800218/. If thats the case I think there could be a conflict of interest having a Disney star casted as a star in a competing space opera flim,

The guys at Harmony Gold said the the same thing about fans hating Minmei blah blach blach, but look at the obvious Minmei tributes they did in Shadow Chronicles! Things are really up to the movie makers' interpretation of Robotech and of course the copyright issues, not what Robotech fans want in the end. Of course they could just derail Minmei's charater, but then it just turns the movie into Independance Day with giant transforming mecha. Your absolutely right, I am sure the military would love to promote images of soldiers breaking up with their celebrity ex-girlfriends with a hard slap in the face after banging their sexy superior officers.

I have heard rumors that Roven left because of creative differences with Tobey and Akiva Goldsmith, but I do know that Roven is now concentrating solely on the Flash movie as currently there are no solid plans for a Batman 3. I think HG's position that he was reassigned could be the truth though. Three producers working on single film with no completed script is a bit much and some creative differences are bound to happen on such collaborative projects so it only makes sense to reassign Roven to the Flash movie which appears to be even further behind the RLAM in terms of progress made. http://geektyrant.com/2009/01/the-flash-movie-gets-a-writer/ They never had a director. Thats actually a misunderstanding that I am to blame for. I thought Roven stated "Nolan would like to shoot in IMAX" when he was talking about Robotech at the 2008 Scream awards. Upon rewatching the clips of Roven at the 2008 Scream awards today I realized I had made a terrible mistake. In one video he was discussing about Chris Nolan not wanting to shoot Batman 3 at the moment, then in a later video he is asked if Robotech will be in IMAX which Rovan repied "We don't have a script yet! And if we are going to do 3D which I am a big fan of we are going to need more 3d screens." I got the two statements mixed up in my memory and believed that Roven was talking about Nolan wanting to shoot Robotech. Minmay will no doubt be a tough issue. Its anyone's quess how the mainstream audiences would react to an anti-climatic ending of a massive alien armada defeated in one fell swoop by a love song instead of massive explosions. On the other hand the complete and utter removal of the singing idol and Love triangle drama that made the Macross Saga so unique and memorialble would likely reduce the film to a generic sci-fi flick.

True, but "some version of the script" has to be ready before they can even move on to preproduction and casting. Its annoying that all we hear about are new writers every few months telling us that its going to take even longer for the film to actually be produced. Though new writers mean a longer wait, its actually a great sign for the movie in the long run. Multiple writers are often brought on for big budget films to write scripts for different aspects of a film such as a "screenplay," "charaters," "dialogue", etc. Its the low buget adaptions like Dragonball Evolution that settle for one or two writers to quickly pen everything. Have you forgotten how much thrill and suspense Macross/Robotech had in general?

Yeah, 4th time is a charm. I am curious what is his "very clear vision for the material that seemed to fit the collective group's vision for the property" is though. Has anyone here read his book Child 44 by chance? "This ROBOTECH thing is just so EXCITING [he] just couldnt give it up, it just gets in your blood or something..." ~ Roy Fokker... NOT Focker

Due to Harmony Gold's Macross trademark anything bearing the name Macross has to have HG's seal of approval in order to be sold in the states. So if Big West desparatly wanted to release Macross stateside they would have to either play by HG's rules or rename their merchandise into Norcross or something. If Honneamise released DYRL stateside without HG's approval it wouldn't change anything. With the trademark HG can literally notify US customs to seize any DVDs marked "Macross" off of shipping containers and retail shelves with just a phone call and proof of trademark, no need for a legal case.

Exactly. Its more then just a simple money issue its also a matter of pride. While HG doen't want to admit that Robotech blows, Big West doen't want to swallow their pride and work with the very people that stole their creation Macross.

I think that HG doesn't really have anything significant to reveal about either projects though. Shadow Risining seems to be on indefinite hiatus after they must have realized that the Shadow movies aren't going to revitalize the franchise with newer fans as they hoped. On the other hand the LAMR is probably still in the middle of scripting with no actual news to reveal. Though their is a stigma againist live action adaptions because of horrible movies like DB Evolution, their have also been very successful adaptions such as Batman, No country for Oldmen, and V for Vendetta. I think the problem with many adaptions is that they come off as too "cartoony" to be taken seriously like Speed Racer. Five mins into the film there is a driver floating away in a force fields that is made of soap bubbles before their cars explodes, yet we are supposed to accept the dangers of racing. The LAMR should easily avoid being seen as cartoonish since WB would most likely treat Robotech as a mature and serious adaption like Dark Knight over a campy adaption like Batman and Robin.

I am sure WOM worked wonders on Robotech's popularity... back in 85. I feel tempted to point out to Kevin that Big West guys actually get their work on sequels done rather then placing them on "hiatus" as they waste times pandering to fanboys with no life on an "awesome" website.

Unfortunately there is no guarantee of a release on Macross no matter what happens to the RLAM considering that "One of Harmony Gold's flagship titles is Robotech" according to http://www.harmonygold.com/about.htm. Short of extreme measures such as finding a way to buy 51% of Harmony Gold's private stock or burning their company to the ground there is nothing we can do, but watch and see what happens.

That could actually work to WB's advantage in making Robotech, doubly so since a revised adaption is pretty much certain at this point. No one could make a successful superman movie that was simply a Captain Marvel under the Superman banner to avoid legal conflict with DC because everyone knows Superman's origins, who is, what his world looks like etc. On the other hand only the Robotech and Macross fans would really complain about Macross elements removed or heavily changed in a RLAM.

I never said HG wasn't sitting on their asses with regards to Shadow Chronicles. I meant that there was no "elaborate scheme" to keep the truth from WB. HG is no doubt thankful of the revenue from the license sale, but that doesn't make them con artists who just wanted quick cash from WB. Looking back I think its obvious WB is well aware of the legal situation considering Maquires himself talked of the movie having new reimagined technology shortly after the initial news of a LARM was released. Just because fans aren't happy with Hollywood's standard practice of remakes doesn't mean WB isn't happy turning Robotech into a BSG with a few transforming mecha.

Yeah right like HG covered up the legal issue from WB by blocking their "Robotech" search results on the internet and kidnapped all the anime fan in WB's animation studio to prevent the WB executives from learning the "Truth" till it was too late and the contract was already signed. Fox bought Voltron and WB bought Robotech licenses hoping to follow Paramont's success with Transformers. If they forked over the cash before doing adequate research into the legal baggage the properties carry then its no one's fault, but there own.

They have some original Shadow Chronicles BS they could attempt to license out, but its obvious no one would be interested in making merchandise for an animated movie that is practically nonexistent to 95% of America. Exactly we have no idea how WB/Maguire sees their licensed movie franchise. Plus the only real undeniable empircial data on Robotech's popularity are records on TV ratings and Sales records of Robotech Merchandise. I don't know about sales records, but there is little doubt that Robotech: The Macross Saga enjoyed hight TV ratings all over the country. Watchmen's sales records in the mid 80s and the success of superhero movies were enough to convince WB to pour $150 million into Watchmen, who is to say WB wouldn't be willing to make a Robotech movie for a similiar amount. Hell, the New York City block set could cheaply converted into a Macross City set. HG would have bankrupted long ago if its survival rested in its Robotech franchise. Potential revenue from a Robotech LAM is a great opportunity to lose though. As far as producing something on their own with Robotech, that is the biggest probelm. HG never was and will probably never be a real animation production studio. They are just an Real estate company with a small time distribution business on the side that is trying to exploit a one time syndication deal as their own original franchise.

This just means there will be few if any "artsy flims" and more action flicks made from movie adaptions of familiar franchises. In all honestly there is no way to know for sure how the execs at WB percive Robotech's a popularity as a franchise. Thouogh with the Live Action Akira movie dead things are looking darker for the LA Robotech. http://io9.com/5290575/live-action-akira-film-is-dead I won't be surprised if HG representatives have been attendees of the Exbo in the past as its a short flight from LA to Vegas and attendee registration is free before May 29 and only $50 at the door. I doubt the real issue is lack of money for the registration fee for exhibition booths, its the fact that they barely have anything original to show and license out to interested parties at the expo. If the Robotech LAM is made though this will likely be the place Warner Bros would exhibit their reimagined Robotech designs for those interested in merchandising toys. to

I suggest a DIY project with the pillow. Any design you want for much less. Toonami the TV block and the anime boom on Adult Swims were ended on the whims of network executives at Cartoon Network. The toonami jetstream only offered Blue Dragon, Zach Bell, Naruto and was hardly a serious effort. I didn't hear anything about Carl being fired and moving to Viz Media, but then again I don't follow Bleach or the anime industry. I should have been more specific. My point is that the anime industry is like a big frat due to the personal connections between the big guys in the anime business. After Robotech quite a number of the Robotech crew moved on to Satellite or ADV, its no surprise that ADV has been licensed by Harmony Gold to re-release Carl's old projects: Megazone 23, Macross, and Robotech. With that in mind its easy to see why Macross was given a subpar dub by Matt Greenfield as a way to appease to Macross fans without seriously competing with Harmony Gold's Robotech. After all why would dievoted fans chose Robotech if a Macross dub were available to them with the familiar VAs performing their Macross counterparts to music that was actually in sync.

Judging by the large number of used Seed and Eureka 7 DVDs I have seen for resale at cons lately, I know that must have created at least a small splash to have gotten people to buy the DVDs in the first place. Honestly though without the actual viewer data from Cartoon Network there is no real accurate way to tell how big a splash the mecha shows made compared to other anime titles. Current scheduling aren't accurate indicators as popular titles of all genres have been dropped in favor of newer titles. I have also heard that Adult Swim started arranging their newer and popular titles to be shown at later times a long time ago when they noticed that viewers would watch the one or two anime shows they wanted to see and then turn off the tube. With the new and popular anime moved to the back many viewers are forced to sit though reruns before they seeing their favorite shows and that equals more advertising dollars for Adult Swim. I think its safe to assume though that anime in America that are broadcasted on Cartoon Network are generally much more successful then anime that isn't.

I would think it would be a standard policy for Best Buy to require 5.1 on all DVD releases, but considering the case of the M*A*S*H DVDs I am thinking they either made an exception for the popular or they have a grandfather clause on DVDs sets released before a certain date. I think that honestly Anime distrubition companies shouldn't bother dubbing any series in English 5.1 unless they are licensing the to be broadcast on Cartoon Network or some other channel. I don't see any reason in spending loads of cash to dub classic anime in 5.1 just so it can be put on Best Buy shelves and ignored by the Bleach/Naruto crowd other then as an excuse to pay Voice Actors and increase the price of DVDs. Advertising old animation to the Bleach/Naruto crowd would be marketing sucide. World Events was smart and evoked memories of the popular Voltron before giving a taste of what was missing: . I have to disagree with Cartoon Network proving that mecha shows are widely panned by viewers. Granted not all mecha shows have done well, but that is the same with anime of any genre. Several Mecha shows have had tremendous success on CN though such as Gundams Wing and Seed, Eureka Seven, Code Gease, Big O, and of course Robotech. I also know that the only reason the second season of Big O was even finished was because of its large popularity in the US thanks to its CN broadcast. It did poorly in Japan, but was popular with Cartoon Network who saw it as watching Bruce Wayne with a super robot instead of a Batman costume. So Cartoon Network, Sunrise, and Bandai Visual co-produced the second season so they would have the final episodes to show to American viewers. Perhaps your thinking of the negative reception to Cartoon's Network Super Robot Week Event from years back? Of course with Carl Macek as an executive at ADV since 2000, and several of his previous HG buddies at ADV along with him with there was little reason to aim for a decent Macross dub to truly compete with Robotech's dub.

If ADV couldn't get the license for the remastered audio that explains why they had to replace iconic "buzzsaw" gunfire with pew lasers. In ADV's Gatchman dub all the music and most of the sound effects are the same, but they do sound a little "washed" from the conversion process to 5.1 stereo. One would think that if they could get a hold of the Macross songs they would be able to obtain the sound effects as well or, at the very least edit sound recordings of a real buzz saw over generic pew lasers. Not surprising considering that 5.1 audio would be required considering a) having a 5.1 English track looks great advertised on paper b) Only dubbed animation is shown on TV here in America, because no network wants to broadcast subbed anime and there would be no future for the VA industry if all anime were simplying shown subbed as is