91WhiskeyM6

Cyc, you really don't think Tatsunuko wouldn't want to market RT2K4 in Japan as some kind of Mospeada sequel? It's not as if they'd be able to broadcast it as a Robotech sequel. Couldn't they just rewrite the script and replace the words "Invid" with "Inbit" and replace "Protoculture" with "HBT?"

BTW, did you ever notice just how much they liked saying the words "HBT" in Mospeada? Seriously, every time it was mentioned it was like:

Stig: "We need more HBT."

Fuke: "HBT?"

Jim: "HBT?"

Stig: "Yes, HBT."

Yeah, well it's better than hearing "Protoculture" referenced as fuel.

Stop being anime elitists for once.

And surrender to HG? I don't think so.

I'm curiously aroused by all this

yeah-yeah

Graham, shouldn't you be doing some toy review?

It's been months since you updated your toy review section(probably the best part of your site).

Yamato is making a dumb mistake by not making plans to release Macross II toys.

You know how many millions of dollars they would earned from us by making them.

It boggles the mind how morons running toy companies don't give a crap about what toys their customers (adults with the deep pockets) truly want.

I should just stop buying 1/48's and concentrate on Alternators, Godzilla, StarBlazers, and Chogokins(I don't even own one and I'm a big 70's Anime fan)

Yamato better start making our favorite Valks cuz' sooner or later some of us will get off this nostalgia phase and put our money on something more worthy like a house. <_<

I guess mine's would have to be my 1/48 Low-Viz

I HAVE NOTHING WORTH BRAGGING ABOUT

Is it so difficult and repulsive to think that people actually like Robotech?

Yeah, especially of these ppl know that ROBOCRAP is nothing but 3 different shows AND YET they continue to like it. How would you like it if I combined Fist of the North Star with Mazinkaiser and gave it a catchy name?

Watching Robotech makes me sick and I used to love Robotech back in 1985.

Even if Robotech 2004 comes out, what HG did to those 3 series will leave a bad impression forever.

Thank God Transformers was/is legit. Atleast something from my good old childhood days remain pure even if Armada/RID/Beast Machines sucked big time.

I hope it's Mospeada II. I finally purchased Mospeada and well...besides the lousy "Engrish" subtitling, it was pretty good.

About time anyway. I love the Legioss and Mospeada armor bikes.

Now why the hell would anyone in Japan want to watch Robocrap?

They have the real thing.

I second that. This has to be bogus.

I'm sorry...I shouldn't act so "hardcore" since I'm not wearing my BDU's risking my life for you people. Especially you, Captain.

What can I say? I'm passionate about the F-15.

Unfortunately, I think that if you're trying to make headway and imparting facts that DON'T exhonorate the F-15 to whiskey, you're just waisting your time; aside from the fact that he's just downright insulting and arrogant, in his world, the sky is/will always be orange, no matter how many pics of a blue sky you offer as evidence.

Yeah? what about you? you think you made headways with your F-14 arguments? ha-ha!

if I view the sky's as orange, you view them as pink.

You don't know jack crap about the military CIVILIAN. 80% of you yap about this and that but you've never even seen them in real life. Granted, I'm an Army boy, but hey!!! I'm in the military which goes along way compared to some of you jokers. I've been on C-130's, UH-60's Blackhawks, HMMWV Hummers, rode on M-1 Abrams, Bradley's, M-113's, Fired weapons, deuce and half trucks, and I've seen/been in the cockpit of an F-15, Tornadoes, F-16's, C-5'S, E-3's, and Marine F/A-18's when I was in the gulf from 1990-1992.

As a current Army RESERVIST 2004, my unit often trains with nearby California Air Force bases, so again,I'm always near military aircrafts.

What's with the "Captain America" handle? you in the military?

Just remember who the real king is between the F-14 and the F-15. The F-15!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whiskey, on the History channel show that was mentioned earlier, an Eagle pilot Stated 2 eagles were losted in combat in desert storm, and he couldn't recal if any of them were air to air loses. Funny how you neglected to bring that up.

Once again, I never said that you said the Eagle was better than the Raptor, I was merely stating that you gave two PERFECT kill ratio's at the time and then declared the Eagle as the clear superior.  The Raptor has NO combat experience and probably wont for some time. That absolutely does not meen it is a worse aircraft. I would suggest you "read" posts before you belittle people.

Chris

Excuse me, but those were F-15E Strike Eagles on bombing missions. The F-14 shot down was on CAP.

FYI: the British Tornados suffered the most casualties.

I've also corrected myself in stating that the F-14 ISN'T PERFECT! it was shot down and it failed to destroy Iranian F-4 Phantom II's.

duh

It's going to operate on a carrier....Hello!!!!

It's funny how you guys rely on "data sheets" while I keep bringing up combat records.

by the way, if you ppl are going to keep pitting the F-15C with the F-14D/Super Tomcat 21, I'm going to throw in the F-15XX in the mix.

Let me REITERATE this to all you again:

THE F-15 HAS a 100 TO NOTHING KILL RECORD

The F-15 was also the first fighter ever to shoot down the Mig-29 during Desert Storm. THE F-15C Eagle during DS had a total kill ratio of 36 to 0. That's freaking impressive!It's assinine to say for instance that Iraqi fighter pilots were scared of the F-14. In fact, an Iraqi MIG-29 pilot was so scared of the F-15 that he was duped into crashing to the ground. Scared of the Tomcat my ass.

The following is a list of F-15 victories during the Gulf War(not including Israeli/Saudi/other U.S. skirmishes):

1/17/91 85-0125 Capt John 58th TFS AIM-7M MiG-29

Kelk 33rd TFW

1/17/91 85-0105 Capt Robert 58th TFS AIM-7M Two Mirage F1EQ

E. Graeter 33rd TFW

1/17/91 85-0107 Capt Charles 58th TFS AIM-7M MiG-29

Magill (USMC) 33rd TFW

1/17/91 83-0017 Capt Steve 71st TFS AIM-7M Mirage F1EQ

Tate 1st TFW

1/17/91 85-0119 Capt Rhory 58th TFS AIM-7M MiG-29

Draeger 33rd TFW

1/19/91 85-0099 Capt Larry 58th TFS AIM-7M MiG-25

Pitts 33rd TFW

1/19/91 85-0101 Capt Richard 58th TFS AIM-7M MiG-25

C. Tollini 33rd TFW

1/19/91 85-0114 Capt Casear 58th TFS ground MiG-29

Rodrigues 33rd TFW

1/19/91 85-0122 Capt Craig 58th TFS AIM-7 MiG-29

Underhill 33rd TFW

1/19/91 ??? Sveden 53rd TFS AIM-7 Mirage F.1

36th TFW

1/19/91 ??? Prather 53rd TFS AIM-7 Mirage F.1

36th TFW

1/26/91 85-0104 Capt Anthony 58th TFS AIM-7M MiG-23

Schiavi 33rd TFW

1/26/91 85-0108 Capt Rhory 58th TFS AIM-7M MiG-23

Draeger 33rd TFW

1/26/91 85-0114 Capt Caesar 58th TFS AIM-7M MiG-23

Rodrigues 33rd TFW

1/27/91 84-0025 Denney 4th TFW AIM-9M two MiG-23

(Provisional)

1/27/91 84-0027 Powell 4th TFW AIM-7M MiG-23,

(Provisional) Mirage F1EQ

1/29/91 85-0102 Capt David 58th TFS AIM-7M MiG-23

Rose 33rd TFW

1/29/91 ??? Watrous 32nd TFG AIM-7M MiG-23

2/6/91 79-0078 Capt Thomas 4th TFW AIM-9M two MiG-21s

N. Dietz (Provisional)

2/6/91 84-0023 Lt. Robert 4th TFW AIM-9M two Su-25s

Hehemann (Provisional)

2/7/91 85-0102 Murphy 58th TFS AIM-7M two Su-20/22

33rd TFW

2/7/91 85-0124 Parsons 58th TFS AIM-7M two Su-20/22

33rd TFW

2/7/91 ??? May 53th TFS AIM-7M unknown helicopter

36th TFW (Mi-8 ?)

2/11/91 ??? Dengy 53rd TFS AIM-7M unknown helicopter

36th TFW (Puma ?)

2/11/91 ??? McKinney 53rd TFS AIM-7M unknown helicopter

36th TFW (Puma ?)

2/20/91 ??? ??? 53rd TFS AIM-9 Su-22

36th TFW

2/22/91 ??? ??? 53rd TFS AIM-9 Su-22

36th TFW

Just like in the NBA, NFL, and MLB! it's all about the "W" and nobody give's a crap about "paper champions"

"One F-14 Tomcat was lost in action on January 21st when it was shot down by an Iraqi surface to air missile, the crew ejected safely" <_< The F-14 has only 5-6 kills on it's record and those were weak ass SU-22's, Mig-23's, and a Mi-8 Hip helicopter. It's also failed to shoot down some harrasing Iranian F-4 Phantoms. The 14 was definitely just suited for fleet defense. Leave the fighting to the Eagle!

no if's and but's... no the F-14 can bat turn this, Phoenix missiles this, oh...the F-14/A-4 Skyhawk in a "mock" dogfight did this to the 15, and if it had these engines crap. Dumb ass Navy squids with their overrated "TopGun" "simulated" "MS Flight Sim" exercises with the 15's. One Navy pilot had the nerv to put a "kill" paint symbol of an F-15 on his Tomcat after an exercise with the 15's. Moron!

The F-15 is the better all around fighter between the F-14, F-16, and F/A-18 series fighters.

It's faster (reached MACH 3.0 without armaments and radar), needs only one pilot for it's AIR SUPERIORITY ROLE, has the higher operating ceiling altitude, best thrust to weigh ratio,more impressive multirole capabilites(bomber/ASAT), longer range than the other three fighters(who was the moron who wrote the 16 had longer range?), it's experimental(see pic below with canards and thrust vectoring), and can dogfight equally or surpass the other 3 fighters in all altitudes and conditions.

Had the F-15 been a cheaper aircraft, there wouldn't even be the F-16 Fighting Falcon or the F/A-18 Hornet today. Oh..the F-15 is cheap *sarcasm*

If you were going to pick a fighter to protect your skies in the 70s and 80s, YOU GO WITH THE F-15. That's why 4 1st world type nations have purchased this expensive fighter over the 3 cheaper teen fighters.

KAPISH?

!Another thing, you want proof? do a google search or do what I've been doing the last 20+ years: Read the books and magazines at your local book stores or subscribe to Air Power. My favorite military magazine I used to subscribe to was "International Combat Arms". I ain't your mommy!

here's a picture for you Tomcat fans to drool at: A navalized F/A-22N with variable wings

F-15 has kill record of 100-0! the F-14 6-0!

Looks to me like they both have a PERFECT kill record. So you are saying that because the Eagle has had more opportunity it makes it better? By that logic then you are saying the Eagle is better then the Raptor which has ZERO kills. Your Logic makes no sense.

Chris

Did I ever say the F-15 was better than F/A-22?

I don't make sense?

Would you hire somebody with 6 months experience or 5 years? too tired to come up with a better analogy.

By the way, that's 5 kills not six with one F-14 getting shot down by a SAM . What's funny about this is that F-15's for the most part operated deep inside Iraq while the 14 mostly stayed close to it's carriers.

So the F-14 isn't perfect. How the hell does a 2 pilot combat aircraft like the 14 get shot down by an Iraqi SAM? what the hell were those Navy squid pilots doing? taking polaroid pictures of an MI-8 Hip helicopter inverted ala "TopGun"? 8 the hell up(Army term for stupid ass!)!

*poof*

To summerise why the 15 is better than the Tomcat:

#1 Better thrust to weigh ratio

#2 Longer operating range than the 14,16,or18..FAST PACK's anyone?

#3 "Younger"

#4 faster

#5 Has the better name "Eagle" or "Strike Eagle" our national bird.

#6 it's an AIR SUPERIORITY FIGHTER meaning it's designed to massacre other birds in THEIR territories.

#7 100 TO 0 unmatched combat kills

#8 climbs faster

#9 can reacher higher altitudes

#10 Responsible for the creation of the Su-27 series fighter

#11 notice how the F/A-22 Raptor resembles the Eagle and not the Tomcat? So much for those "cool" variable wings.

#12 AMRAAM missiles are more deadlier than the OBSOLETE costlier and clumsy AIM-54C Phoenix missiles. The Phoenix has never been proven in combat! all kills by the Eagle and Tomcat involved the Sidewinder, guns, AMRAAM, and Sparrows. Why waste an expensive missile when you can use a faster 15 to get to the bogey. Also, the Phoenix has to catch the fighter napping if it's to make a kill. A fighter pilot cought by a missile lunched a hundred miles away is one 8-up pilot. Just because you fire a radar guided missile doesn't mean an automatic kill. Just read up on the Vietnam air war.

#13 More expensive and it should be

#14 Easier to maintan and upgrade than the problem plaqued "Super Tomcat" and F-14A's

#15 More wealthier nations prefer it to defend their countries from hostile threats

#16 Has a better partner in the F-16C Fighting Falcon(which I admit is the better dogfighter close range). The 14 got replaced by it's partner: the YF-17 Cobra ...errr F/A-18. The Falcon could never replaced the 15. The 16 was created because the Air Force could not affford more superior Eagles.

#17 F-15F with the canards and 2-d vectoring nozzles looks awesome! compared to the "Super Tomcat" with the new engines it can't use because of crashes.

#18 at close range dogfighting, the F-15 will fly rings around the heavier slower Tomcat.

#19 The $75 million F-15E Strike Eagle!

#20 The Eagle was designed to best the Foxbat. The feared fighter from the Soviet Union. The Tomcat? a stupid propeller driven TU-95 Bear.

Whiskey, you need to be very careful when you slam somebody for not being an "expert." Do you have some credentials you'd like to put on the table proving you to be an expert? Seriously, relax. Everybody's entitled to thier own opinion.

Oh, I know it's an aim-54c. Typo.

Sure! here you go:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/index.html

http://www.janes.com/

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&...iation.military

F-15 has kill record of 100-0! the F-14 6-0!

Would you like a VHS copy of Discovery Airpower tape that voted the F-15 the best fighter from the 1970's to 1985?

You're no expert.

Neither are you. Quit acting like you are.

I merely stated an opinion. The only facts I pointed to were the service records. BOTH of which are outstanding. I wasn't really picking one or the other. People are allowed to have their own opinions (that means ALL of us)

Neither are you!

I'm only quoting/repeating bonifide material data <_<

#1 Voltes V (my first introduction to Japanese Anime back in the late 70's)

#2 Space Battleship Yamato(can't beat the 70's and that ROCKING theme song)

#3 Mazinger Z(again, the 70's)

#4 Transformers(up until Prime died and then when Beast Wars came along)

#5 DragonBall Z/GT (who doesn't like Super powered beings that use martial arts and it's funny/serious at the same time?)

#6 Macross(this is below DBZ because DBZ was more engrossing)

#7 Fist of the North Star

#8 Ninja Scroll

#9 Heavy Metal(remember the sex, violence, and  cocaine scenes?)

#10 DYRL 84'

Judging from that, you must have been in the Philippines in the 70's...

1. Macross (SDF/DYRL)

2. Bubblegum Crisis (80's OVA)

3. Black Magic M-66

4. G-Force

5. Ninja Scrolls

6. ThunderCats

7. Gargoyles

8. Dungeon and Dragons

9. GITS:SAC

10. Loddoss War (OVA)

Not in any particular order, just the way I remember it, except for Macross... that stays on top!

I was there for 5 years from 1977 to 1981. Then my dad decided I had enough Pinoy culture/vacation and brought me back to the U.S. The good old days.

The Mig-25 with ample warning can avoid the Phoenix. A TU-95 Bear has no chance.

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The F-15 was designed to go into somebody's "MAP", establish itself as the neighborhood bully and kick-ass(reborn P-51D Mustang)! The Tomcat was designed to shoot from long range....*yawn* When the Russians developed the Flanker, they did that in response to the teen fighters, but primarily in GOD's fear of the Eagle. That's why you see side-by-side pictures of these two as the best fighters out there 10 years ago. Do you see any pics of the Flanker and Tomcat together?

So you want to compare records eh? You "yawn" at engaging targets at range. Well, which aircraft has the higher friendly fire instances? The EAGLE. Your precious Eagle also tries to engage at a distance, otherwise they would've been close enough to visually confirm Friend or foe and prevent those tragic accidents. Capt. America said it best the Tomcat would distinguish targets better, faster, and farther away. Hate to break it to you but pilots WANT to engage from a distance so they have a higher probability of seeing their families again.

You also say the Tomcat is much older than the Eagle. Personally I don't think they are that far apart but if you want to believe that, that's fine. So your "newer" fighter is constantly being compaired to an inferior aircraft. Here I thought Newer would meen better. The Eagle does NOT out perform the Tomcat out right. Nor does the Tomcat out perform the Eagle out right!

You said it yourself, the Eagle was designed to climb up and catch mig-25's. The Tomcat was designed for Fleet Defense. Take those two variables away and you have a pretty even matching...between a "newer" fighter and an "older" fighter!

Chris

P.S. The Friendly fire reference is not meant to show a flaw in the Eagle or anybody for that matter. It is meant to show that Fighters want to engage at a Distance.

uhhh, the 14 is older. The 14 was a follow up to the F-111 Aardvark originally proposed by the Navy to carry the Phoenix missile.

Check your facts.