Macross Models 3D colelction

[guyxxed]

Here's something a little easier on the eyes with cleaned up stripes.  Going for a WW2 pacific Corsair feel (kinda).

[PointBlankSniper]

This one is definitely Capn Murica's Valk

[Adriano]

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[guyxxed]

These models are the same ones linked to before.  See the thread linked here.  I just checked and all links are still valid.

https://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/topic/51863-macross-models/

[guyxxed]

Minor update.  Wasn't super happy with the heavy stripes, so moved them out to the wings and used the suggestion of making "gills" to add some color and longitudinal emphasis to the body along with some more balancing to the leg colors.  It's definitely a very...patriotic...scheme, and I'm still debating whether it needs more stripes or color on the back, but I kind of like it as it is.  Suggestions/comments welcome.

[PointBlankSniper]

I have some ideas, but idk if they work or make sense at all

I think lines in the following bracket shape might give the illusion of a contained width profile.〔 〕 Especially lines tapering inward toward the front makes things look sharp in general.

Shark gills might look more aggressive if they took a sharper angle like those brackets. They might look better ahead of the canards, and get to show up in battroid mode too.

The red yellow on the canards might be one color combo too many. I think it makes the canards look too much like they are slapped on after the fact. I'm thinking they might look good the navy white combo you already have. Maybe the Stabilizers could follow for extra coherence, idk tbh

Maybe less white on the bottom/battroid front, to look less the transformer trope of robot hanging under a plane lol

The ankle guards, I get that they look good in white, but I also always thought it was strange that some valks had distinct and vibrant engine collar things on lol. Maybe being in the same color as one of the surrounding parts makes the engines or even the whole plane look more discreet and serious.

I'm not sure if I'm just seeing things, but the feet/exhaust already look kind of blue. Just wondering if it would look better in a slightly more distinct dark blue/gray hue

As for the main/heavy stripe, I think there's lots of room to try all sorts of things on the top of the fuselage and wings. Don't worry about looking good and slap together a bunch of w/e designs since you ar just testing

A thought I just had unrelated to everything I just wrote lol, is one broad stripe down the middle, possibly with some geometry to the edges, and then something accompanying it in another color toward the wings without reaching all the way, perhaps only outside past the engines or even right over them. Sort of like a giant abstract sword with narrow crossguards.

[guyxxed]

You're not wrong about the gaudy canards, but I was still going for something like a racer scheme, so some bling made sense.  For an actual military livery, I'm 100% with you that everything should get toned down considerably. 

I like your ideas, and agree that a sharper rake to the gills would be more effective. Wrapping them over the chest plate makes me think about maybe even something like a tiger stripe pattern.  Something to try when I get some time.  Have you seen the 31 Master File?  Some of the squad markings they show there sound a bit like what you're talking about with the sword on the back.  The one at the bottom right (below) kinda fits that concept.  The sea camo one bottom left also gives a nice flow to the shape.

I think your suggestions are good and will play with a few things when I get back in front of a computer.  I like playing with the flashy race schemes, but maybe I'll try making it look like an actual fighter with the next go.  😁

[PointBlankSniper]

I was under the impression you were already going for a more military theme since you said it was based on the corsair.

I've seen that image from the files, just didn't remember much of it. What I was talking about is more like the middle one down the left, and the tan one on the top right. Their slab of black running down the middle looks like a sword, just that it looks like it's pointed backwards because they have the black stripe accross the nose as a crossguard. They probably look better that way because of the Kairos wing. What I had in mind was pointed forward, and flanked by similarly girthy crossgard stripes, that aren't necessarily connected, and more forward swept or parallel to be trident like to flow with the Seigfried's wing direction, without highlighting the full span of them. Doesn't actually have to look like a sword, or be black, or be in the same colors. It's more that I was just trying to describe the direction of the pattern.

[guyxxed]

All fair, mixed messages from me, but I was just trying for something that leaned into the 31's flashy side without melting your eyes.  😉

I get what you mean about the sword shape in the back and emphasizing the dangerous parts of the plane (or, maybe a better way to say it, emphasize that the plane can be dangerous.  I'll mess with it and see what I can come up with.  Expect a few more racer schemes, though, because they might not be realistic, but they are fun to make.  😉

[guyxxed]

BTW, I currently happen to be in Virginia Beach, sitting on the sand about 10 miles from Norfolk and watching the navy ships and F-18s come and go, so a bit of realism is in my head right now.  

 

Speaking of which, one thing Macross dials down considerably is just how LOUD these things are.  A gerwalk landing or taking off should send everyone scrambling for shelter! 😁

Edited September 5 by guyxxed

[PointBlankSniper]

All that space magic must come with some low noise engines and sound proofing lol

Macross really could do with something that has the wing shape of an F-18 and some wing tip hardpoints though.

[guyxxed]

The 171 kinda, sorta comes close to that if you squint real hard. 😉  I get what you mean, though.  A fixed wing version of the VF-1, or maybe a slimmed down VF-24 would fit the bill. 

[PointBlankSniper]

I guess the 24 is kinda closest. Now that I think about it, even a Valk that has a pair of vertical and horizontal stabilizers doesn't seem to exist...

I guess the Sv-51 is almost kinda there. But I don't want to count it because it's got it's got X wing stabilizers, split wingtips, canards, and the whole thing has weiner proportions. Some of the later valks have those mini stabilizers to form an X and I don't want to count those either lol.

[sketchley]

16 hours ago, PointBlankSniper said:

All that space magic must come with some low noise engines and sound proofing lol

Macross really could do with something that has the wing shape of an F-18 and some wing tip hardpoints though.

I've dabbled a bit with the F-18's shape in the transforming fighter jets I've designed, to mixed results.

Fixed-wing aircraft look great in Fighter mode, but the wings don't stow away very well in Battroid.  Artistically, I don't like a bunch of junk hanging off the back of a robot.  It seems to miss the point of a transforming fighter. 🤷‍♂️

https://www.deviantart.com/studiootaking/art/CFs-Generation-2B-Master-File-Chronicle-708803627

Edited September 6 by sketchley

[guyxxed]

Nice work!  I like the two on the right side of that page, thank you for sharing!  And I agree, the flappy stuff all over the backs of the 25 and 31 in battroid have always felt lazy to me.  One if the things I always appreciated about the VF-1 was how neatly everything stowed away (even if a bit of anime magic was required) so that each mode looked like what it was instead of the transformer esthetic of a robot stapled to a plane.  

The Type01-03 thread that ImChris has been sharing his design gets about as close to what we're discussing here as anything, I think. 

[PointBlankSniper]

NGL I don't get the wing hate, especially since valks already tuck them away. Not that I'm big on prominently winged mecha, especially not giant immobile wings. But If it flies, I don't see a problem with some deployable flight control surfaces. If it's supposed to be armed, I'd like that it has the options to use the pylons. To lose flight control and weapons for the sake of being a perfectly humanoid robot seem like strange design priorities to me. 

With that said, I actually like the vtol thing on the bottom left the most, and that thing definitely has dangling wings and engines on the back lol.

[guyxxed]

I get what you mean, and given my love for the 25, it obviously hasn't been a huge obstacle for me, either, just that I appreciate the design effort that went into the earlier valks and have to grin a bit at the later ones that give a bit of the "well, screw it" vibe with the battroid wing placements.  Still look darn cool anyway.😁

[sketchley]

I think it all depends if there is something built into the wings that makes it more difficult to stow them away somewhere where they won't get damaged when a Battroid has to do something like a forward roll in combat or have its back right up against the wall (for safety) when breaching an enemy ship.  The VF-27 is a good example: engine pods in the wings makes it pretty darn hard to neatly stow the wings away.  The VF-25, on the other hand, leaves a lot to be desired as it has the "well, screw it" vibe.

I do appreciate how Kawamori-san is always trying to do new things.  I really like it when he breaks the mold (so to speak), and comes up with an imaginative transformation mechanism, especially with the wings.  The VB-6 and Sv-262 are great in that the wings themselves become the legs.  The VF-9 is also imaginative, with the wings becoming the torso/chest.

I think it all boils down to the role that the VF is being put into.  The ones for first contact with an alien race (VF-1) or front-line infantry roles (VF-11, VF-25, etc.) ought to have wings stowed away more carefully—so they're less likely to get damaged or be in the way during combat.  With the ones designed for other roles, having a bunch of junk hanging off the back is much more acceptable (E.g. the artillery support oriented VB-6; coincidentally also the role of the vtol thing on the bottom left 👍 ).

But that's just my opinion.  The wonderful thing about Macross, is Kawamori-san is attempting to cater to as many different tastes as possible.

Edited September 7 by sketchley

[guyxxed]

Fully agree, Kawamori's creativity and variety has kept me here for...well, more years than I care to think about. 😉

Your reasoning makes good sense, though I'm not sure the designs actually reflect their intended use so much as whatever cool idea they had at the moment.  For all my nit picking, I won't argue that they're all very cool. 

Tangent: went to the aviation museum today to see an actual Corsair (along with a bunch of other very cool ladies).  My color picks weren't too far off, though as PBS might note, no giant red highlights! 😁

(One very cool note, this is a working museum.  All of these planes are operational and flown regularly, even the DeHaviland.  They just obtained a C-46 and have just started restoring it, very neat to see).

[guyxxed]

To get things back on topic, here are a couple of very quick attempts to "realify" the scheme.  Got rid of the red (though I still kept some orange, just for flair 😉), thinned out the wing stripes, added the back "sword", and colored the ankle guards.  Then did a slight tweak with some orange gills and an added stripe on the back.  Nothing spectacular, but something to move it in a realistic direction.  

Have to admit, after going to the museum, I'm tempted to try a silver and red scheme like that T6 Texan in the middle of the group shot, but we'll see how much time I get over the next few days.

[PointBlankSniper]

Coloring the ankle gaurds definitely makes the whole thing feel less flamboyant.

Something about the gills looks kind of like a sports jersey. Maybe I wasn't cooking with that one, or requires a very nuanced design to look like angry shark gills.

[guyxxed]

Color choice may have something to do with it, the orange and blue are kind of sports like.  I probably expended them too far across the chest as well, so they end up more like stripes.  It might not look like a shark, but I still kind of like the effect.  I'll play with it some more when I get some time.  I have a few other ideas to try as well.

[guyxxed]

One last one before I disappear for a few weeks (traveling for work and access --and time-- will be limited for a bit).  This is just a very fast repaint using current US navy aircraft colors to try to come up with something "real".  Took away all the highlights and flash, with the exception of the two dark stripes on the back to break up all that plain grey.  I need to make new decals in the proper dark grey (the white numbers look wrong on this scheme).  I would like to do a very light camo pattern on it (the large grey-on-grey blotches the navy uses on some planes) to give it some character and differentiation.  This has a nice clean, realistic look, but it's a bit drab at the moment (kind of the point, but still...)  It's really just bringing it around to the 31A colors, but with a bit less flair to it, so not sure I've added anything so far.  Any thoughts?

Edited September 12 by guyxxed

[Adriano]

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[PointBlankSniper]

Gray on gray looks great. The shades and patterns you used actually make it look more serious than the 31A. The wing now looks much cleaner and simpler than the dog teeth delta wing in contrast.

I can only think of some minor refinements to try.

I think just the hard black on top of the head just stands out a little too much, in a way where you can't tell if it's a painted surface or a giant gap. I'm thinking the calf's brown gray or the feet's dark gray might work there. And maybe unify the canopy's mascara to the same shade if you change it.

The stabilizers could be a place to try some simple shapes and division of grays. The outline thing doesn't quite match what you have going on with the overall plane, especially with the underside of those stabilizers being plain. I think that small and irregular tapered trapeziod with a thin line on the chest is a styling you can try on the stabilizer and maybe spread around to other parts if you want to experiment with more patterning. Kind of like sparse tribal markings in small areas. Maybe the legs could use some.

Maybe as like for like juxtaposition, steal the 31A's chaos logo to replace the star, just to see how it looks lol

[guyxxed]

Good thoughts, I think I agree about the outline on the tail fins, though it might work if I add a grey fleet or squad marker there, but you're right about the blank back side, good call there.  When I get some time, I'll put some squad and plane markings on it in the appropriate greys.  Top of the head does need some lightening, too, agree on that.  Hope to get some time next week, but it might be until the week after before I can mess with it again.  Thanks for the feedback!

[guyxxed]

Hey, all.  Finally back from my travels and just posting a quick drive by here of an updated markings version to make it more like a Navy plane. Also changed the sensors/crystals because the bright pink just wasn't working for me.  😉  A work in progress, but didn't want it to sit quiet for too long.  I used the number fonts from the VF-0 as they are the most "real world" of the ones I've seen, and went old school on the Spacy logo, though the NUNS in grey could work better.

Edited September 29 by guyxxed

[PointBlankSniper]

Looks right at home in universe now.

[guyxxed]

Here we go, a 'best and final' for this particular iteration.  Put in the NUNS marks, added a plane number to the cockpit area (per normal Navy markings), and tweaked a few other things here and there.  Happy for other suggestions, but otherwise think this one can go on the shelf now and I'll move on to the next distraction...er, PROJECT!  Yes, project, that's what I meant!  😉 

[PointBlankSniper]

You can never be done tweaking a piece of art, so this is a good place to let this piece be completed. I just want to request a shot with the regular 31A beside or in formation with this, just to see them together, if it's not too much trouble.

[guyxxed]

Done and done.  This is the 31A straight out of Delta Scramble with the official textures, I haven't touched anything up on it.  It's a bit lighter than the Navy colors, which makes the panel lines stand out and hides the decals a bit.  Also interesting is that the shadow on the backside of the tail fin is textured on, not cast by the lights in the model space.

[PointBlankSniper]

Honestly, your Siegfried looks more like a real plane than the Kairos. IMO you've proven that looks like an absolutely fine combat aircraft with the right paint job.

In this comparison, the Kairos looks a bit cartoony with those panel lines and colors. It probably doesn't help that the delta wings and dog teeth were always kind of mismatched to the flow of the body's shape and makes it look more sci fi/toy like to me.

I always thought Kairos would look better with lambda wings. If the outer wings were erased from the join outward, and a random person was told to finish drawing the rest of the wing, I think the natural response would be to draw a lambda wing, even without knowing what it is. This comparison has made that idea obvious to me lol

Anyway, have fun cooking up your next project.

[guyxxed]

The panel lines are definitely overemphasized on the 31A, which isn't helping its looks at all.  I think all of Delta Scramble has this kind of exaggeration in the textures, maybe to help it look better on mobile screens.  That said, the white nose cone also gives it a bit of a cartoonish vibe,  so the overall effect is less "real".

I get what you're saying on the wings, and it's one of the things that makes the AX unappealing to me in that they made the outer wings even bigger on that, which took it in the wrong direction (IMHO).  I kind of want to try building a VF-24 as the profile for that is a bit more realistic, but I'm overall not crazy about delta wing craft in general and prefer the swing wing designs on principle. 😉

We'll see where my whims take me next, but hopefully won't be too long before the next updates.  Thanks for the feedback and ideas!

Edited Thursday at 02:11 PM by guyxxed

[Adriano]

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[PointBlankSniper]

It would be crazy if you mange to put together the mythical Evolution.

I think there's a 3d file of the YF-24 on cults3D. Not sure if it helps with what you want to do.