Gokurakumaru

I understand, mikeszekely, which is why I mentioned Okinawan and Ainu, but modern Japanese is about as diverse as your American, English, and Australian example. When someone speaks in Osaka-ben a person from the Kantou region doesn't scratch their head, they just say "oh, you're from Kansai." There may be some terms that need explaining, but it just doesn't compare to Chinese dialects.

I finished up TV and ran through the movie last night. The derelict Zentradi ship trap stage was a nice surprise.

You get the VF-4 card at the end of the movie, appropriately enough, since it's the version with Flashback 2012 on the back end of it.

Kanji isn't a dialect, it's a script for writing in. Okinawa traditionally had a whole set of vocabulary all its own, not sure about grammatical structure. And no doubt the Ainu population originally spoke differently to everyone else. But nowadays all Japanese speak Japanese, and all products are labelled in it.

Modern dialects are basically regional terminology and alternatives to normal Japanese grammar which everyone understands regardless and are not the norm in print or packaging unless they want to evoke some local flavor. So different words can be used to say the same things, but these are different words. Names don't change by dialect.

Millia is only written as Miria in Katakana -- a phonetic script -- so the pronunciation is only confusing with respect to whether the "r" represents an "l" or not, and the spelling is slightly ambiguous. The official spelling is Millia.

Even certain normal Japanese names can be spelled in a number of ways. Kaworu = Kaoru. Ichijo = Ichijou = Ichijoh = Ichijoe. When in doubt, just go with the official spelling.

My copy arrived yesterday and I played it last night. Really really annoying is how I'd describe it initially. I don't know how much trouble everybody else had making auto camera switch off, but it just wouldn't go away for me. I tried switching it off from the in mission menu. I tried switching it off from the main options screen. The option changed sure enough, but in battle the camera was still cutting to all kinds of different views based on whether I'd just fired or just been hit. About stage 6 I gave up because all those camera changes led to some serious confusion and unfair hits. I exited to the menu, switched auto camera on and then back off again, saved my player data, and only after that did it seem to acknowledge it and stop changing views. Yeesh.

Another gripe, and I don't know if this is to do with "easy" piloting style or not, but without holding down L2 to force tracking, the battroid subweapon (the head laser) triggers missiles -- and as a consequence a transformation to fighter mode -- if you hold it down. Other gripes are automatic transformation to fighter mode when struck by missiles in battroid mode. No overloading of button functions, Sega! And no piloting for me! I don't want to fly head on into a Glaug just because I was struck by a volley from it.

Aside from those utterly pitiful inclusions which should never have gotten past playtesting, the rest of the game is rock solid. I played a few hours in total and am up to Burst Point in TV mode, so this will clock up at least enough play time as my other favorite games (all of which are what everyone else seems to consider to be "short" too).

For me the high points are things like Purple group covering the botched Cat's Eye recon, and being the team to retrieve the battle pad Misa and the gang escape in. Hearing the Zentradi speaking Zentradi rather than Japanese in the TV show is nice too. And seeing the anti gravity pods float away from a falling Macross in Booby Trap as you battle in the city is priceless.

Not so great is the way the cutscenes are done. Sega goes to the effort of modeling all the ships and mecha, animating the signature scenes from the series, and then cuts them off at the money shot. Things like the Daedalus attack being cut off while the Macross still has its arm firmly planted in the ship. Things like the main gun firing right at the start being a still shot. Not disastrous but it makes theses scenes feel rushed (and I don't mean in development time, just presentation).

Overall at the midway point I think it's around an 8 to 8.5 out of 10. Top fun but niggling flaws keep it from greatness. Definitely the best Macross game yet and worthy of any fan's coin. And anyone who calls this the same Valk sim as stuff like Digital Mission VF-X needs their head examined.

I bought the game at retail price from HMV Japan. No lining of importers' pockets necessary. Anyone can do it.

Regarding games, I for one do want the TV series and movie replicated time and time again. Because they keep doing it better. Heck, many would argue this is the first time we've been delivered a game that's even remotely playable. For that matter, this is the first game you can actually play through the TV storyline so that point is moot anyhow.

And as for the digital millenium act, I don't live in America, and I'm playing on a Japanese PS2 anyhow. If you want to argue about the legality of people buying the game over the internet rather than hopping on a plane, stepping into a store, and flying home again, then feel free. If I'm dishing out half-logic, you're debating meaningless semantics. How I come by my game doesn't change the fact I popped a few bucks in Sega's and Bandai's pockets where, for my entertainment dollar, it rightly belongs.

Download the game and if you don't like it, break the copy and throw it away.

And if you broke the copy you burned you can pat yourself on the back. If you didn't you're obviously exaggerating its lack of worth because you want to keep it around for a reason.

In six-month's time I can almost guarantee you guys can pick up that title new for under $20.

You pretty much never see imports for under $20 unless an importer is very overstocked.

I know all of you guys have ethics but it seems like you miss out on the fact that if you buy an import title that is not for your specific region and play it you are technically violating international copyright law anyways.

Please, there's a world of difference between not touching a game/film so that the manufacturer can sell the rights to another region, and not touching a game/film which will never see an extra regional release simply because it says "For Japan Only" on the box. In any event, defying either of these rules does good things for Bandai/Big West/Sega, while pirating the game only saves you a buck as you selectively pick which laws you think are worth acknowledging and which aren't.

My info was aimed at the rest of the folks will bills to pay and girls to feed who may not wan't to blow $70 on another light-weight Macross gaming experience.

Then direct your "info" at those people rather than just delivering "a note" for everybody who "blew" $65-70 on the import. And as a note to you, if you're so busy racking up bills and feeding girls you shouldn't be worrying if the game only lasts you a week. Personally I barely ever play games nowadays and Macross sounds like it'll actually fit into that schedule. That's a good thing. Regardless, even games that entertain for a week don't vanish into thin air after you beat them. You can play them at a later date, especially if they let you relive a favorite show in an alternative form rather than spending 10+ hours watching the series in its entirety (another time premium). That's where those cinemas, visuals, and soundtrack you place little stock in come into play.

Sorry to ruin your day fanboys.

Having money isn't a crime and neither does it make you a fanboy. I'm sure we'd all appreciate a little less name calling. It just sounds like sour grapes. You're not the only person to ever pay for a girl's dinner, but you are the only one sitting in the piracy glass house throwing stones.

"Medical problem!?! Drugs!?! Where are you getting this from? This is where you really head off the deep end! At no point does anyone refer to Guld taking medication"... "In fact, the very first sign of him repressing this violent impulse is while he's looking up Isamu's records on a terminal."

I think I see the problem here. You don't consider Guld to have a tangible mental illness based on his genetics. I do. The very scene you describe is where we see Guld take drugs to calm his problem. That's not Parkinson's disease he's dealing with. It's the first time we see it happen but Guld already has the drugs to deal with it. I took the day of the event as the first overt manifestation of it. You see them as completely unrelated plot points. Although I can't imagine what relevance the Zentradi angle's inclusion is if it's not meant to give us context to their history. Giving Guld a tendency to go into rages is laying it on pretty thick when they've already provided a reason for him to want to kill Isamu.

Hey buddy, you might want to simmer down.

Your thoughts on what Kawamori is likely to put in a show are as baseless as everybody else's. Unless you and he are drinking buddies or something. Sorry if telling you so is rude.

Beyond this I'm taking Lightning 06's advice because I'm tired of making the same point over and over and I never came into the argument hellbent on getting everybody else to come around to my way of thinking, unlike some others. The crux of the matter is still you think they couldn't forgive Guld and I think they could.

"Oh. He tried raping her. That is why Myung slept with him. And the attempted rape totally explains why Isamu seems to be so friendly with him now."

Unlikely versus unlikely. Your point hinges on Myung and Isamu forgiving Guld the attempted rapist, but being incapable of forgiving Guld the rapist.

In other words, instead of letting the facts lead you to a conlusion. . . you're contorting, dismissing, and otherwise re-interpreting the facts to support a conclusion you already made.

No, I'm just taking everything at face value. I don't believe the mirror scene is the end of what Guld did and the show doesn't show otherwise. And like everyone else here I believe Isamu and Myung forgive Guld for what he did. The difference is you place more emphasis on the outcome rather than the intent so you don't believe Isamu and Myung can forgive Guld if he finished what he started.

Again, this is convenient. You concede my point, but then just say: "Eh, but I think they would have forgiven him in either case." And, I would point out that Guld never sexually assaulted Millard. That's apples and oranges my friend.

This is not apples and oranges because this is the whole reason why I believe Myung and Isamu forgive Guld. Millard doesn't doubt Guld has a medical problem. Whoever prescribed Guld's drugs doesn't doubt Guld has a medical problem. I expect Isamu and Myung, his friends, to offer at least as much understanding and not hold him exclusively culpable for whatever he did. And before you plead ignorance on their behalf, what event do you think it was that made Guld need to get medicated in the first place?

"And of course, it makes sense completely that Guld raped her while Isamu was in the room."

My response is the same as the first time you brought it up. We see Isamu getting floored the moment Guld enters the room and doing nothing to stop him after that. Even in the no rape scenario Isamu's not the one stopping Guld, it's Guld himself. Out cold or just slow to get up? The show doesn't tell us.

But I sorta side with those who say that Kawamori isn't the type to actually include rape in his work. I believe that someone mentioned earlier that there is another near-rape in Macross 7. Again. . . near.

You thinking Kawamori won't include it is as uncompelling as it is uninformed.

It seems that some believe that, if Guld did not rape Myung, then Guld could not believe that Isamu raped Myung.

My problem with this is simply that Myung had nothing more done to her than had her clothes torn, and after the day in question not even that would have been brought up. Even if Guld wanted to pretend Isamu was responsible I don't see him wanting to kill Isamu over pushing her down and tearing her clothes. And if he's trying to repress whatever terrible events did happen I can't see him then exaggerating just how bad it was. Faulty logic maybe. But that's the logic behind why I think Guld needs the rape in order to behave the way he does.

It has also been asserted by some that his friends protected Guld from his memories by not telling him the truth. Wouldn't they be less likely to do so if he raped her? And, conversely, wouldn't they be more willing to give him some benefit of the doubt and protect him from himself if he did not rape her because he did get ahold of himself and stop himself?

Yep, this is a more likely scenario. But I still think the whole "Zentradi gene makes it not his fault" holds enough sway in the world of the Macross that they'd have done it anyhow. Millard gambles an entire test project on it. It's like your schizophrenic neighbor not taking his medication for some reason beyond his control and you never talking to him again because he ends up on your front lawn cursing at invisible people in his underwear.

I think it is clear to anyone without any pre-conceived desire to interpret it differently that the animators put the mirror-event in the sequence specifically to show that Guld stopped himself!

How can these be pre conceived notions when they're conclusions we drew by watching the show? I don't read rape into every show, just the ones that suggest that's what happened. Anyhow, I believe the animators put the mirror in to show Guld finally looking himself in the face and recognizing what he's done. Guld only faces what he's done in the final dogfight, and that's why he's wearing the exact same expression even though he's staring into open sky rather than a mirror.

And can I just ask that people drop the "why do you want it to be rape?" or "preconceived desire" angle? The show could go either way but it leans more on the rape side of the scale to me.

Why do you so not want it to be rape? Can't face fiction which is sometimes as unpleasant as real life?

Why do people have proconceived notions that there'll be a happy ending? Everything that happens earlier in the show suggests the exact opposite.

Why the expectation that Guld can't be a rapist simply because we're expected to be sympathetic to his self sacrifice? End of Evangelion doesn't show characters in just black and white. Why should Kawamori expect any less from his audience?

In the end, all cultures frown on rape in both social and legal terms.

Agreed. I just question the idea that Japan does moreso than its western counterparts and how relevant the idea of shame and honor is. I don't think Japan is just a nation of hornbags -- it's not like I've only met promiscuous Japanese -- but even if the country is no less prudish than any other nation, I don't see it being any moreso either.

Either way, the whole idea of pondering the Japanese viewpoint was to determine the likelihood that Macross Plus was meant to imply rape. Given the fact that sexual abuse isn't uncommon even in mainstream anime I'd say the point is moot.

Isamu wouldn't have "given up" Myung had Guld raped her, he would have killed him, that's the alternate scenario, don't mix the two up.

I was actually referring to how much Isamu cared about Guld with regards to him giving up Myung before Guld did whatever Guld did. The Guld flashback implies that much as Isamu leaves her and she is forced to grab his back to try to make him stay.

Personally, I just don't see a murderer in Isamu's character. This is open for debate obviously, but getting away from Macross Plus for a second, it should be obvious that not every rape in real life is repaid with a murder. This is why I say you can't just take it as fact. Guld tried to kill Isamu twice and he turned the other cheek both times.

You ARE making it sound as though you are formulating your opinion in some kind of insensitive social vacuum.

Just because I'm not randomly polling women about Myung's behavior in Macross Plus doesn't mean I'm not thinking about real people when I'm talking.

Seriously, tell me just how much of personal experience do you really have, that you can use and relate to stuff that happens in anime like Macross Plus?

You mean have I raped someone or known a rape victim well? Can't say I have.

The point of JsARCLIGHT's I'm talking about IS the social honor code of Japan that he even supports. So obviously it's not like it's comething I simply made up as you want to present it as. Not his rape story. If it's a load or crock then why don't you argue why he also supports it?

So I should go around picking fights with everyone who says "yeah, I think so too" rather than just addressing the person who made the comment in the first place? What the heck for? Going over the point once is plenty.

There was no intent to sexually assault, and if anything, gone fully unchecked, he would have strangled her to death, not raped her.

So her clothing must have been covering her neck up I'm guessing...

Isamu in turn wouldn't have simply bantered with him in their dogfights (as Isamu clearly had the skill advantage in a direct fight), and would have killed Guld before leaving Eden to join the U.N. Spacy.

And this is what I meant before when I said everyone's opinions are coloured by their personal experience. Isamu would have killed a guy he felt sorry enough for that he first gave up the girl and then later lived a lie to protect? Again I have to stress you can't state any such thing as 100% certainty simply because of the diversity of the human psyche and belief system. Christianity would be as dead as its Messiah if the entire human race was uncontrollably vengeful. Just because you personally repay rape with murder doesn't mean everybody does.

Ah, now I get it. I should "get some education" by becoming 20 years younger and vacationing in Okinawa as a child, which I'm sure is the ideal age to analyze social behavior and the mentality of shame and honor. I obviously can't comprehend anything Japanese beyond pop culture because I'm a westerner. And since reading is obviously too much for us white folk to manage, the only knowledge I can hope to get is from the "trendy" Japan the teens live in. That knowledge isn't worth anything of course, because we have to ignore the social gap between the adults* and the apathetic lack of social responsibility felt by youths when we want our homogenous shame and honor model to work properly.

*And by adults I presume you mean at least 30+, because none of the people I've been talking about were teenagers.

I don't claim to be an authority on all things psychology- or Japan-related. Because I'm not. But that doesn't mean what I know and have seen should be dismissed. You may have more answers than me, but that doesn't mean you know it all simply because you behave like one.

I don't respond to JsARCLIGHT because I have nothing to respond with. He had a friend who had a total mental collapse after a rape. It's not something I can dismiss as though it didn't happen, but by the same token I'm not so naive as to think it should be extrapolated as meaning all rape victims will have a mental breakdown and withdraw from society entirely. There is no 100% rule for the human psyche. With all your posturing and talking down to me you don't seem to have noticed that that's the point I've been trying to make.

Why do people want to know if she was raped or not? Because someone broached the subject and if we disagree we want to say why we think so. If that makes us insensitive to the as yet unborn, fictional character in question, then so be it.

I'm still here because I see points I disagree with or want to clarify being brought up. A desire to be argumentative has nothing to do with it. And you're throwing stones in a glass house saying that to me when I've been posting on this thread long before it took the turn onto rape boulevard, and I at least had the courtesy to come in and post opinions rather than simply telling everyone they were wrong and should shut up. If I may paraphrase your first few contributions to the debate, "a woman doesn't do that, period" "don't post that BS again" "get an education," and throw in an angry emoticon or two for good measure.

You might find people don't seem so eager to fight and argue if they aren't forced to respond to messages whose entire length is devoted to attacking their intellect. Food for thought.

Here's another thread you might find interesting.

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...ct=ST&f=2&t=298

Personal opinion is based on what you think as well as the behavior of people you know and what they have to say. That's why I wrote personal experience rather than opinion, because while this is all me rattling off thoughts -- same as everybody else here -- it's not like I formulated my opinion in some kind of insensitive social vacuum.

Also, you shouldn't say it is not as bad as the way Jemstone put it, because unless you're the victim, you never know.

I didn't say it's never as bad. I have no reason to doubt what Jemstone and the people she's talked to feel. I just don't believe it's always that bad. It's easy to pigeonhole people and say "Myung would never do that" if you're basing it on your own feelings about almost being raped. But no one feels the same way as everyone so we're all basing this on our own personal experience. Jemstone's experience colours what she expects from Myung. That doesn't make it the only way for a person to react.

Again, get some education THEN post.

See, I thought all that personal experience and general knowledge was education. If you want to make broad ethnic brushstrokes with your catch-all psychology here so you have to base it on something. Just because people used to cut their bellies open for honor doesn't mean they still do it today. I want to know why you think rape is more shameful to all parties involved if they're Japanese. Enlighten me.

Whether it should be observed or not is not at debate. It's whether these values actually come into play.

Japan is a country where rape fantasy porn is both legal and incredibly popular unlike the west. Where female-only train services were put in place because casual molestation was so ingrained as to be acceptable in its inevitability, unlike the west. Where girls will have sex with guys they don't want to in order to spare their feelings. Not that I believe for a minute that this couldn't happen in the west, but some people here obviously think otherwise.

To say the Japanese view sex or rape in a more shameful or judgmental fashion than westerners, or even in the same way that westerners do, is nonsense. Back in 2001 my brother in law set me up with a Japanese girl working in the same hotel as him. She was already dating two guys simultaneously. My younger cousin slept with a girl once and she wanted to be a sex friend afterwards -- that's someone who's not your boyfriend/girlfriend but you have sex with them anyhow.

In my experience sex isn't as momumentous an event to your average young Japanese as it is to your average young westerner. And while I have no doubt that rape has more mental implications than casual sex, I don't believe they are always as harsh or as final as Jemstone views them. Otherwise stories like the one I told earlier just wouldn't happen.

A Japanese view would be HARSHER than the western view as rape is the ultimate shame for a woman and ultimate dishonor for a man.

What century are you living in exactly? What a crock.

If I may paraphrase Sharon "I love Guld, but I love Isamu more."

And as for this...

However, you are only half correct. I say this because there are equally many cases of incest, date rape and what not, happening in the world.

Date rape isn't all forced, especially in Japan. People have a hard time saying no over there, or at least about saying it enough times that a guy will actually stop.

I used to live with a girl who went to Japan and stayed with another girl over there. One night they went to a club with some guys and one of those guys stayed over. My girl had to stop the guy for the other girl because she wasn't into it but didn't want to stand up to him about it. Yep, she'd have slept with him rather than hurt his feelings.

So it just doesn't make sense for them to end up making love - a collaborative act between a couple who feels mutually for one another.

Even if there is no love, only lust, the feeling MUST be mutual in order for a one night stand to happen. I seriously doubt Myung would have any lust for Guld. Not with what transpired in the past.

You've got some funny ideas about sex. Love and lust aren't the only reasons people sleep with each other. It's not like Myung slept with Guld because she was horny after almost dying.

Regarding that scene I refer to, I recall it being a flashback early in the story to hint at what Guld's so pissed at Isamu about. Don't remember where it occurs specifically.

Regarding pity sex towards your psychologically messed up friend: the story explicitly says that Guld's problem is related to his alien makeup, so it's no leap to think Myung could forgive Guld for something she considers to be beyond his control. His mental state circa 2040 is a fair indicator that he didn't ever want to hurt her, and recall this scene played out immediately after he'd been hurt while saving her life. This scenario is already a huge step up from repeatedly abusive boyfriends in real life, and yet it's not like real women don't stay with them. For purposes of relationships Myung's obviously messed up too, so I don't see this as being such a leap as you do.

Regarding Guld's gradual change of events. The flashback I'm thinking of implies he saw something post assault. He didn't run screaming out of the house in that case. And I'm still dubious that he would face the facts both before the rape and again in 2040 without some kind of complete mental collapse, but feel the need to gradually concoct an unbased fantasy in between. Like you say, we'll have to agree to disagree. But me taking what is suggested on screen and expecting it to be played out completely is no less a reach than you saying it didn't happen because they only showed events up to the mirror.

Oh, and Guld could have raped Isamu as well if he wanted to. Not only was he was bigger but he got the first hit in, flooring the guy.

I still don't believe that gives him a tangible reason to hate Isamu. The scene Guld does remember is Isamu and a beat up Myung, but she isn't scared or struggling to get away from him. There's no reason for him to think Isamu did anything based on that and if all he did was some clothes tearing -- not even a single hit to the girl -- there's nothing worth wanting to kill a guy over even if he was under the impression Isamu was the culprit rather than himself.

Without what the scene suggests is about to happen actually happening I don't think the memory suppression and false fantasies wash. There's more to it than just interpreting the shocked look of realization (and bear in mind that realization only sinks in years afterward and the expression in the mirror is actually the one on Guld's face in the dogfight -- the camera flashing the contrasting old and young faces illustrates that and supports the "memory may not be 100% literal" theory) as meaning he stopped.

Guld blocks out the traumatic memory of not raping someone?

For all the giant posts rationalizing why it's possible he didn't do it, that still makes no sense to me. You take away the rape and you take away all reason he has for wanting to kill Isamu beyond petty jealousy. You really can't have Guld in control enough to know what he's doing and stop himself, but out of control enough to completely repress those memories andconcoct a fantasy where Isamu rapes her. If Guld stopped himself what is he basing that on exactly? You've taken away the frame of reference he can project onto Isamu, and only left him with the visual cue of Isamu with his arms around Myung in torn clothing. How he can be together enough to control himself but flipped out enough to misinterpret what he's already acknowledged he did himself?

Forget about the story being hard to swallow if Myung was raped and later sleeps with her rapist. Guld not doing anything beyond tearing her clothes off makes far less sense than someone who never got over rejection reaching out or offering pity sex.

Basically, yeah. There're all messed up and it's one of the reasons why I prefer the movie to the OVAs. You spend less time getting to know the characters and tend to hate them less.

And for my money Isamu gets court martialed and locked away for the rest of his days. He broke quarters, stole a classified experimental plane, destroyed a city, and trashed the Macross -- and all because he got his nose bent out of joint over a cancelled project.

That said, if I was going to bet, I'd bet that Kawamori's intent is for the VF-0 to be a prototype in the VF-1 development program, and that existing continuity regarding the VF-X and VF-X-1 is being cast aside.

This is my take on it too. Forget your VF-Xs, the VF-0 is their replacement as one of the final iterations of VF-1 prototypes.

I highly doubt so , if they haven´t said that by now then it´s very difficult they´ll say it in the next episodes.

The VF-Xs were never mentioned in Macross either, but that doesn't stop people taking their existence as gospel.

I've typed some VF-0 information into a text file and attached it to this post. The first part "VF-0" is background on the VF-0 from the booklet that came with the official R2J DVD of Episode 1. It mentions that the engine delays were VF-1 related. Some people speculate that the VF-0 is a parallel project rather than a prototype and that it was originally planned for thermonuclear engines. Both the larger body design and the fact that the delays are VF-1 based suggest otherwise.

The second part "Comment of Kawamori" is a dialog from the man himself about his VF-0 design -- again from the DVD booklet -- in which he draws an analogy between "show model" concept cars and production models addressing why the VF-0 may appear to be more advanced than the VF-0 in spite of being a test model for it. He says he started with the VF-1 design and tried to make it older and more familiar looking but he ended up with a plain old F-14 which just wouldn't do as the main mech in the new show. Any tech which seems more advanced he justifies as stuff that gets dropped in the transition from concept fighter to production model. He's talking VF-0 and VF-1 here, not VF-0 to VF-4 or the later Valkyries. The VF-0 is referred to as being a precursor to the VF-1, not a parallel project or testbed for post VF-1 fighter technology.

The final section "Macross Zero Official Web Site" comes from the VF-0 information section of the official Macross Zero website www.macross.co.jp/zero. It explicitly states that the VF-0 is just a VF-1 prototype which was outfitted and deployed when the VF-1's engine development fell behind schedule. You can translate them all yourself at babelfish.altavista.com by cutting and pasting the text and selecting Japanese to English, or by using your favorite translation site. The results aren't good but if I translate them myself (which I've done on a couple of past occasions) they seem to get glossed over. There must be more than one Japanese speaker on Macross World and they can read the text and translate it themselves. This is official information straight from the horses mouth.

Here's the results for those to lazy to bother. The first two sections come out as mostly gibberish. But read the very first sentence of the Macross Zero Official Web Site translation. There's no misinterpreting that.

VF-0

Including the over technology which is obtained from the combatant ship of the opposite sex person who falls in 1999 in everywhere, the new model strange fighter plane which was developed. Originally, the development of VF-1 which uses the thermonuclear reaction jet engine was preceding, but because utilization of the thermonuclear engine is late, rapidity, ???????? doing the jet engine of conventional type, it loads, it was decided that the type of this VF-0 is tested is disposed. The fighter, moth walk, variable it does in 3 forms of ?????, supposes the battle in all aspects and is made. Because usually the jet engine is used unlike VF-1 Valkyrie which is utilized afterwards, succeeding distance is short extremely, also the engine being delicate, quite high-level ability is required to operation.

Comment of Kawamori

Because basically it is the fuselage which becomes the advance of VF-1, design is not changed substantially, don't you think?. Simply, because the usual jet engine is mounted, the fuel tank becomes large, the fuselage cannot collect to the compact by any means, it is. Truth stacking in the space warship, to keep carrying long distance, because the fact that it goes in the enemy ship was prerequisite, when we would like to make if possible small, however it is, development of the engine was not in time. Because size about approximately 4 meters is different at total length, it is the fuselage which extent around the cover is larger than VF-1. At first glance, VF-0 from VF-1 like the fuselage which evolved it is visible, it is, but, when to the technology where the experimental model is future being used, being mass production, a little the actual ? ? ill-smelling there is a ? ? thing even with when it is actual, don't you think?. If it compares by the car, when the difference of the show model and the marketing car, first, you designed outmoded than VF-1, it became simply F-14, is real, however it is, does not become the mechanic of the protagonist, with that, being able to meet, the experimental model with those the part where modern technology is used may be, with it is the interpretation red sandal wood.

Macross Zero Official Web Site

VF-0 was no more than one of the experimental model series of VF-1, but it hit to the situation, variable fighter plane encounter throwing of counter integration combination, rapidity armament was administered and was decided that the experimental operational unit is formed.

VF_0.txt