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  1. You assertions don't really apply. In space there's no frame of reference so the ONLY thing that matters at non-relativistic velocities is the impulse. Therefore, you can have a more massive propellant at lower velocity which would be the equivalent of a high velocity but lower mass propellant. But that's beside the point

    For the VF-1S "Super", the only thing that matters is that it can sustain a force of 2842kN for 150s. This is a given fact so we have to take it face value. The exhaust velocity does not play a part in this. Neither does the mass. This is because we already know the sustained force and how long it can be exerted. Using the inaccurate (but on the low side) assumption the mass of the valkyrie is not changing, the calculation is elementary since we're talking about space.

  2. I'm thinking acceleration when I talk about thrust myself ;)

    With that said, slower exhaust velocity can yield the same acceletation as a faster exhaust. After all, it's momentum that matters here.

    Not sure what you mean by absolute velocity limit though. Ignoring relativistic effects (let's pretend we're not trying to go fast than 0.25c), acceleration is acceleration no matter how fast you're going.

  3. Everyone here did reasearch. Opinions here are just opinions.

    Except you. Because stuff you were asking were either in the compendium or discussed before and sometimes even in this very thread.

    i never tore it down...I said zero G that means nada zilch nothing....dampers just reduce the load.....Zero G is a statement....read it for all you like.

    2. An anti-gravity zero G device in a valk would hinder a pilot's skill due to the lack of feedback the Valk gives the pilot.

    So you imply using anti-gravity to remove all forces on the pilot. In fact, no one even said this until you did. Why did you mention it? You tore it down right afterward saying that such a system would be detrimental (something that is true).

    Engines are still heavier that the cockpit. Ever seen a see-saw before?

    What does that have to do with anything? Engines are heavier than the ejection seat too. We don't know if engines are the most massive components of the valkryie.

    In any case, thinking about this, placing the engine at the rear of gerwalk, ASSUMING the engines weigh the most in a valkyrie, means that the center of mass is in a better position. Instead of being on one end of the "bent stick" of gerwalk, it's at the corner instead. With the primary thrusters still pointing rear, that means higher speed is possible which allows the lift surfaces to compensate for the lower downward thrust. Not that a huge amount of thrust is needed to hover with valkyries since they can VTOL with just verniers. Also if the weight were shifted that far back, the vents for the downforce works out well.

  4. I forgot to double the number for VF-1S

    estimated 12,500 kg [x g] x 2; or estimated 25,000 kg [x g] x 2 in overboost

    25000kg / 1000 x 9.8 x 2 = 490kN

    I used the atmosphere number for the YF-19 by mistake. The rest are just significant figures =P

    As for the "overboost" the question is whether the VF-25 and VF-27 numbers include that (probably not).

    But the point still remains about the VF-S "Super". It has more thrust than the YF-19 even WITH overboost!

  5. Hmm, I've been looking at some more numbers for thrust of the various VF's and there's even more funny things...

    A refresher (so that someone can correct me just in case I made a mistake):

    1000kg = 9.8kN assuming Earth gravity

    F-22: 312+kN

    VF-0A: 297.8kN

    VF-0A "Angel": 900.4kN

    VF-1S: 245.0kN

    VF-1S "Super": 2842kN <=== Huh?

    YF-19: 836.9kN

    VF-19S: 1548kN

    VF-25: 3240kN

    VF-27: 5508kN

    With that kind of power for even the VF-1's FAST pack, a VF-25 with its FAST packs should easily keep up with the VF-27... In fact, the VF-1's FAST packs, with no technology improvment, would give the VF-25 more thrust than the VF-27 assuming you could jury-rig a fit.

  6. Who's the one getting offended with the word "kiddies"...It ain't even about you. Maybe you should sit back, relax, smoke a bowl, and grow some balls while you're at it.

    My original post said to not do that (have an arrogant tone if you don't do the basic research). However, if it makes you feel bigger then you can carry on.

    yeah i said it....so what? Exactlly, there was no evidence of me saying about a damper

    You were responding to talk about anti-gravity being used as inertial dampeners. If you weren't then you shouldn't have even brought it up as you mentioned the (ostensibly new) idea and then tore it down immediately afterward. Since it wouldn't serve to support or counter anyone else's point, it would've just been silly.

    You're still on this? Like I said before, OT isn't explained that much. This is why we are here discussing it. I'm not here expecting any of my/other's theories to be considered canon/approved by SK.

    That's not the point. Some things ARE defined as OT. The stronger materials is explicitly mentioned. The engines of a valkyrie are also explicitly mentioned. There's wiggle room for a lot of things but these two points are stated and hence we have to extrapolate from that point on. Therefore, the way a VF-21 does gerwalk is completely plausible in the Macross universe and is indeed seen all over in places like the QRaus

    Try to get past this mindblock and combine what's physically possible now and what's physically possible in the Macross universe. This is how someone decided that the OT engines didn't use propellant the normal way:

    (1) With the kind of accelerations we see in Macross, the engines must either have extremely high propellent velocity or mass

    (2) It can't be mass since the valkyrie would have to carry this propellant and we'd see the effects of such

    (3) It can't be velocity since in space the jet would be as powerful as a weapon with no atmosphere to dissipate the stream yet we clearly see that the backwash isn't wrecking things more than a normal engine would (and in some cases it's even less than that)

    (4) Therefore something about OT is overriding some physical property to allow this

    (5) We don't know what this is

    (6) ????

    (7) Profit!

    Yeah but looking at the transformation process and schematics....the 21 wasn't designed well for gerwalk. having the main engines in the back calls for unbalancing towards the rear...TNR engines are one word...heavy.

    Mostly true but the 21 still can do gerwalk and that's all there is to it. With the inertial vectoring system, going to battroid does seem to be a better choice in most situations.

    With that said, there's no indication that the engines of valkyries were particularly heavy. Especially when you consider that valkyries are lighter than our modern fighters. For instance, the twin-engined VF-19 is lighter than even the featherweight single engine F-16

  7. Lmao hahaha....you're killing me chrono. I'm not even trying. Do me a favor and ask your mom what's the meaning of swagger, you will soon learn a entirely different perspective son.

    Seems to me someone else here needs top grow up and maybe learn about etiquette.

    I said ZERO G.....

    Then you're the only one who decided an anti-gravity inertial DAMPENER will negate all forces. If that's not what you meant, then you missed the point even harder.

    I recently viewed a cutout schematic of the VF-1. It does have fuel tanks in the wings and backpack.....Overtech doesn't explain everything that's why were here BSing. Macross timeline was before 2000.

    Even the Zero had Overtechnology in it so it's not like there ever was a valkyrie without OT. And everyone knew that there was a propellant in valkyries. Even the official material mention propellant in passing. It's even been discussed how the engines in a valkyrie must be very different to what our physics allows since the fuel consumption is so minimal (in terms of mass and volume and ejection velocity).

    but it worked didn't it? Realistic you say? HUH? Transformers has a live action movie....not to mention a 2nd coming up (last time I checked)

    Are you talking about that (pretty good) movie that feature robots that had lots of whirly things when transforming as well as parts which disappeared and changed in size (the cellphone lol).

    As for the VF-21, it can hover for the same reason the QRaus can. The rear thrusters provides enough downforce, the legs are tough enough to take any stray backwash because of ECA and the inertial vectoring system keeps the whole thing stable. Besides, we've already seen how valkyries can hover using JUST the verniers

  8. 2. An anti-gravity zero G device in a valk would hinder a pilot's skill due to the lack of feedback the Valk gives the pilot. it's like driving a car without feeling acceleration, deceleration, side to side movements in turns etc. etc. someone once told me....when you drive for the first time you're just driving a car....when you get experience, the car becomes an extension of yourself.

    Or they could be intelligent about it and simply have it a function of the g-forces being exerted on the pilot. You don't need the full g-force on you for feedback, it just has to correspond to something and your brain can easily use that.

    4. Even with ThermoNuc. engines....there must be a some sort "fuel" type to propel the valks. The structure of the Valkyrie cannot handle kinetic explosions that a reactor can produce nor sustain. Those type of reactors are better suited to produce high amounts of heat to then combine with different components to turn into kinetic energy....atleast that's how the modern world does it.

    Macross universe. Protoculture. Energy Converting Armor. At least do the basic research before calling people names and using terms like "kiddies".

    5. Starscream was a popular character in "robotic" cartoons....he had the canopy in the front and that design worked.....why not for a valk. i think the transformations were just designs that SK played around with. Change is good....and bad.

    The original Starscream design was a valkyrie interestingly enough.

  9. The VF-27 is actually faster. It can pull Mach 5.2+; Mach 9+ with PPB and ECA help. The VF-25 tops out around Mach 5+.

    Weren't those numbers for the plain machines though? I recall the thrust for the VF-25 as 2x<some number> whereas the VF-27 had 4x<a smaller number> where the total of the VF-27 was much higher. Since it's "2x" for the VF-25, that's just the two main engines and doesn't take into account the FAST packs.

    Of course, the FAST packs seem to be space use only so the Mach numbers don't even apply.

  10. Anti-Gravity does not nullified high-G stress on pilot, IMO only inertial nullifier/damper could lessen the G impact on pilot.

    However, anti-gravity is a potential basis for an inertial dampening system since it can apply a constant force on the entire body (not just the surface) at once.

  11. Yeah, but my point is that even though they would eat more fuel, they wouldn't eat all of it in a few seconds, as is suggested by some speculationists. The VF-0 used conventional turbofans, which have been made MUCH more efficient anyway, due to the magic of O-tech, that were tuned to maximum output.

    And? I don't think anyone suggested that the VF-0 drains its fuel in seconds while hovering since it clearly doesn't.

  12. I just thought of something: Everyone always says that VF-0s would eat WAY too much fuel while in its non-fighter modes, since it uses conventional fueled turbines. They compare it to the AV-8 Harrier, which eats more fuel in VTOL than in conventional flight. This is a bad thing to compare it to for one reason: Overtechnology. It's pretty obvious. The technology that, when studied, led to the development of cheap, easy-to-manufactue giant robot planes, could result in more fuel efficient jet turbines, no? It makes sense... Sorry if that's off-topic. Just had to bring it up.

    Actually even with Overtechnology it's still the same. When you're flying, the surfaces provide lift as well. If you're hovering, all lift is provided by thrust. Even if your OT engines were super efficient, hovering would still use more fuel.

    In any case, the VF-0 used conventional engines tuned up to extreme levels.

  13. Fair enough I stand corrected, however I still stand by my assertion that a crafty opponent could easily disable the Valk during that phase of the transformation by simply firing at the hydraulics as the legs drop into place.

    IF one were able to hit said "hydraulics" during transformation, it wouldn't really matter whether the valkyrie was transforming or not. It's clear that the weaponry of the day easily tears chunks out of even the ECA and it takes the specially hardened projectile shields and/or PPBs to take hits.

  14. I kind of doubt that the A.I. Luca uses is the same as the bio-neural chip kind of A.I. from Plus...In fact, I assumed Luca made the system himself because it has a Biblically-derived name, just like his Ghosts (Simon, John, and Peter, all Apostles (as was Luca [Luke] himself)) and his Ex-Gear (Samson, named for the legendary strongman). Judah could refer to a number of things, but here I believe it was named for the kingdom that split off from Israel and became independent.

    He basically spells it out that it was the same system that held Macross City in fear. Besides the Ghost X-9 Bioneural chip what other drone did that?

  15. Didn't the Battle Galaxy's Super Beam Weapon shot destroy the Gun Ship of the Battle Frontier? Maybe I didn't see it right, but it looked like something on the Battle Frontier go blasted to bits. And when the Battle Frontier did it's diving punch upon the Battle Galaxy, it appeared to have no gun ship. I'll have to watch it again closely to be sure.

    Yup, the gunship of Frontier and the gunpod of Quarter were both destroyed by the same shot.

    That's not really the issue though. The question is why the Galaxy's Macross Cannon shot was so puny. I suspect not enough charging time but still.

    Maybe it was mitigated by their PPB.

    Could be. We don't get to see any PPB glow though and it still conveniently blows up solely the big guns.

    Incidentally, did anyone notice that the Galaxy's head was still there after being hit square with four reaction shells? The explosions of the reaction shell were also quite a bit smaller then usual >_>

    Also, right after when Frontier is delivering the final blow, notice the bajillion PPBs on it.

    Another interesting thing is how the head lasers on Alto's VF-25 were actually firing beams. As in lines of death kind of beams rather than bullet-like "fake" lasers.

  16. The Battle Frontier gunship took the hit and exploded. It probably helped that the beam took a chunk out of the Macross Quarter's gunship as well.

    Battle Galaxy took a hit from the Quarter's gunship, but I guess it wasn't powerful enough to break through its ppb.

    Loved how the turrets on Frontier chewed Battle Galaxy to crap before delivering that punch to its midsection.

    Yeah, it's just that the full powered Macross Cannon sort of rips right through large capital ships like paper and is enormously wide at maximum output (well, enough that a large chunk of a fleet can be taken out even before sweeping the beam). The shot from the Galaxy was like a quick snapshot that ended up with only a Macross Peashooter level of power.

  17. Haha. They did find a good way to mitigate the Ghost's self-preservation instinct issue. Tying it to a valkyrie makes it sacrifice itself for the main unit!

    Frankly, I'm not sure why they were made to be different. It was clear from Luca's words that his Ghosts had the same programming and neural chip design as the X-9. Assuming the V-9 are the cyborgs' version of this, they might very well be nearly the same (closer in kin than even the YF-24, VF-25 and VF-27).

  18. They never said that the bird human was protoculture. All we see are flashbacks of the AFOS but i can see why you're drawing this conclusion.

    In Zero they did say the Protoculture used the Bird Human to modify the humans way back. If we take the similar markings, what was said about the Protoculture imitating the Vajra then it seems to heavily imply the Bird Human was the Protoculture imitation.

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