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On 1/19/2024 at 2:44 AM, sketchley said:
Expanding on that a bit: at a certain point the top speed (in an atmosphere) is limited not by engine output, but aerodynamic shape and the melting point of the materials used in the airframe. The most vivid example is in Macross Plus when Guld disengages the limiter, and his VF is literally melting around him because he's flying so fast.
Even then, the YF-21 and VF-22 is built for higher speeds, as seen with the variable-droop wings that presumably utilize compression lift, as seen with the XB-70 Valkyrie.
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Aside from the VF-0's gun pod, are there any rate-of-fire figures for other gun pods?
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On 12/29/2023 at 4:14 PM, Seto Kaiba said:
An interesting thought... though not a topic I recall being mentioned in any of the writeups for the Dian Cecht Sv-262 Draken III.
It honestly wouldn't surprise me, though. It seems like something almost every VF developed after the First Space War would be designed for, considering the realities of postwar reconstruction and initial settlement of emigrant planets would mean VFs would have to be equipped to operate in the absence of properly constructed dedicated runways. Their VTOL and STOVL capabilities aside, it'd be an immensely useful thing to have and existing material does indirectly suggest roadways are reinforced to support the weight of stuff like workroids and giant Zentradi.
Whether Windermere IV includes such infrastructure is unclear. We only ever see the Aerial Knights operate from aircraft carriers or an airbase outside of their planetary capital of Darwent. They jumped right from a pre-industrial or early industrial agrarian society to an interstellar one and their economy's still near-exclusively agrarian, so it's not clear if they had the time or resources to redo their road system to support battroids and workroids in addition to light trucks and draft animal-pulled carriages.
36 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:Sounds like they went from Louis XVIII to Admiral Kirk in a generation or less...
There's definitely some "Schizo Tech" (to use the TV Tropes terminology) going on.
Going back to the subject of the Draken(s), another requirement for the J 35 was that it had to be able to be refueled and rearmed by conscripts with minimal training within ten minutes. While even the most basic VF is far more complex in design than a third-generation fighter jet, it's possible that the Draken III was designed for (relative) simplicity in mind in terms of logistics and/or maintenance.
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17 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:
It's aerodynamic enough to work in atmosphere. It's a lifting body design. It's not going to win any prizes for speed or making tight turns, but then bombers seldom do.
In principle, it's a medium bomber that is also a self-delivering artillery piece capable of firing guided and unguided long-range munitions. It's a more situational weapon than a normal VF but it is supremely good at making enemy fortifications and warships go away. Especially since it can be outfitted to deliver thermonuclear reaction weapons en masse.
It's just not particularly relevant to this line of inquiry because it's not really a destroid in the strictest sense of the term.
The main niche they seem to have carved out for themselves is the workroid... a non-military utility robot for all kinds of different heavy machinery applications. That they make them literally nimble enough to dance is kind of impressive in a way. It's probably not necessary for a giant robot forklift to be so agile, but one can only imagine that it's probably pretty multi-purposeful if it can clear a modern dance class while handling large cargo containers.
That does make sense, like the labors in "Patlabor."
At the risk of derailing this thread further by pivoting back to the König Monster, I feel like a further evolution could be a "variable gunship" of sorts, akin to an AC-130, considering that it already has the artillery for it.
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On 11/26/2023 at 10:39 PM, cheemingwan1234 said:
Yeah, VFs save for the SV-51 would stink for dispersed basing with highways or short dirt strips as runways since the maneuver mentioned above to gerwalk the VF would be awkward to use.
I was under the impression that the Sv-262 would be ideal for highway runways, considering that its design inspiration, the J 35 Draken, was designed for that very purpose.
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11 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:
In all fairness, the mass per unit of volume of hydrogen slush is not exactly huge... 0.085 kilograms per liter (about 0.71 pounds per gallon), a bit more than 1/10th what the same volume of JP-5 weighs (0.81kg/L or 6.76lb/gal).
The full internally-carried fuel load of a VF-1 weighs only about 1.5x what the pilot does. (1,410L @ 0.085kg/L is 119.85kg or 264lb.)
Weight isn't the problem for a VF, it's more a matter of consumption rate and available internal tank capacity.
I apologize for bringing up Robotech, but I seem to recall the use of metallic hydrogen in recent versions of their RPG instead of slush hydrogen.
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2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:
To be fair, the OP has a pretty good point about the (in)validity of the VB-6 as an argument.
The VB-6 Konig Monster is a Variable Bomber. Its Heavy GERWALK mode resembles an old model Destroid and its Battroid mode is somewhat counterintuitively named "Destroid" mode, but as a Variable aircraft it's technically part of the rival Battroid design lineage and not truly a further development of the Destroid concept.
By the definition Macross Chronicle gives us, a Destroid is a non-transformable, heavily armed, AFV-equivalent walker for land warfare.
Macross Chronicle does, somewhat charitably, describe the Konig Monster as an offshoot of the Destroid concept that emerged after Destroid development died out in its glossary entry but I don't think that's quite the direction the OP was looking for.🤷♂️
As you said earlier, there hasn't been much need for Destroid development following Space War I. The only new thing I could think of for Destroids would probably be sound energy loudspeakers for that kind of warfare.
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On 11/18/2023 at 9:12 AM, cheemingwan1234 said:
(And no, the Koing Monster does not count as a Destroid. It's a Variable Bomber)
That's the thing, the König Monster does represent the evolution of Destroids as a result of the shift from land to space combat.
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8 hours ago, F-ZeroOne said:
Small bit of trivia for those of you who may be less familiar with UK TV in general; Rubys elderly neighbour was played by Anita Dobson, who is best known in the UK for having played the character "Angie Watts" in the long running BBC soap opera "EastEnders" [1]; her character was famously married to "Dirty Den", played by Leslie Grantham - who also appeared in classic "Who" back in the day. Possibly RTD was squaring a circle - as well as nodding to a certain other infamous "Doctor Who" Christmas episode...
[1] That shows notoriously miserable storylines inspired the latter part of this "Who" quote: " 'Did you have to say that? 'There's no turning back? ' That's almost as bad as 'Nothing could possibly go wrong' or 'This'll be the best Christmas Walford's ever had.' "
EastEnders has had a few crossovers with Doctor Who.
The 1993 Children in Need special "Dimensions in Time" saw the Seventh Doctor meeting some of the characters from EastEnders.
In "Army of Ghosts," the "ghost" of Den Watts appeared in an in-universe episode of EastEnders, which later turned out to be a Cyberman.
In "The Beast Below," The Queen Victoria pub from the show appeared as part of Starship UK.
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You know that you've been watching a lot of anime when the first thought that comes to mind when watching the latest Christmas episode is "Where's Goblin Slayer when you need him?"
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I think it would be interesting to hear some hip-hop added in. If it worked for Samurai Champloo and Afro Samurai, then why not Macross?
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The Swedish Air Force must be big Macross fans, since they built their own version of the Sv-262 over 60 years before Macross Delta even aired. 😋
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The way I see it, having another set of thrusters in the legs while being separate from the main engines could make for some Harrier-style VIFFing (Vectoring In Forward Flight).
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Does anyone know where I can find details regarding a VF's escape capsule?
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3 hours ago, JB0 said:
Given Max and Millia raised a family of seven while holding down major jobs... I think there was a significant effort to ensure the infrastructure for childcare assistance was there.
Eight, counting Moaramia.
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1 hour ago, Sir Galahad® said:
Wait, how does the VF-19F and VF-19S come into play? If the stunt that Isamu and Guld did in 2040 restricted the arms sales, are the F and S Excaliburs in Macross 7 Monkey Models as well?
The -F and -S were geared more for space operations rather than atmospheric, hence the stubby wings, lack of canards, and more vernier thrusters.
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2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:
I am a translator, not a masochist.
(I know there's not a lot of difference between the two sometimes, but there IS a key distinction there somewhere! When I figure out what it is, I'll let you know.)
I'm thinking it needs more incense... because everything's nice and linear and logical until you get to the VF-1 Valkyrie Plus and the parallel development of the VF-4 and VF-3000 by Stonewell/Bellcom and it turns into a wire diagram of somebody's plate of spaghetti napolitan. No matter how I draw this (attempt fourteen, btw) design lineages result in lines crossing throughout the 2nd Generation programs and leading into the third thanks to General Galaxy (probably in the person of Alexi Kurakin) drawing inspiration for the VF-14 from the VF-4.
At least things'll straighten out once I get past the 4th Generation and it all becomes a nice linear tree from the YF-24 on.
In retrospect, I should use a dry erase board for this... I'm wasting a LOT of paper.
Although it does get a little convoluted with the VF-19/YF-30/VF-31.
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3 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:
It's unlikely to ever get brought up in a proper Macross series since Kawamori doesn't like to return to old characters and plot points from stories he considers finished...
What little we're told about Lynn Kaifun's career as a manager after he and Minmay broke up late in the Super Dimension Fortress Macross series is commonly interpreted as a "take that!" aimed at Carl Macek and his... adaptation.
After their breakup, he went on something of a wandering journey and managed a couple of unsuccessful and quickly forgotten bands. He finally wound up living on Macross-11, a New Macross-class cityship modeled on America, where he became the manager of an unlicensed Fire Bomber cover band called Fire Bomber American. Fire Bomber American were a blatant ripoff of Macross-7's wildly successful Fire Bomber in everything from music to how the band members dressed... and despite being established after Fire Bomber's first hit and having the band's catalog consist solely of English covers of Fire Bomber songs, they loudly profess the Fire Bomber from Macross-7 are ripoffs of them. The band has a modest following in City-11 but is generally reviled anywhere the genuine article is known.
(Fans drew the connection after noticing that Kaifun's handling of Fire Bomber American was uncannily similar to Carl Macek's handling of Robotech... being a localization done without the knowledge or consent of the IP owners and devoting most of its PR to slandering the original with obvious lies. What sold it was Kaifun echoing Carl Macek's famous pronouncements like the claim that the Macross story was created for Robotech and simply animated in Japan, or that Macross's were developing their sequels by imitating/ripping off Robotech.)
I read the story behind Fire Bomber American before, but I never noticed the RT references until you pointed them out.
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7 hours ago, Vifam7 said:
In the meantime, I think the F-35 should be nicknamed Ultra SLUF or SLUF II .
The F-35 isn't slow, and it's not ugly, especially in comparison to the X-32.
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20 hours ago, anime52k8 said:
on the subject of names, my vote is for either "Fidget" or "Flatpack"
Flatpack is already taken by the MiG-1.44.
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And now, the full trailer.
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Veering a bit off-topic, but I do recall that at one point, NASA funded research into ultra high temperature ceramic composites that could withstand sustained Mach 7 flight at sea level.