Vic Mancini

Where do her legs go?

I don't see anything on Macross Mecha Manual, so I'm going to assume the answer to this next question is "no"....but is there any official line art that shows how a Q-Rea pilot is situated in the cockpit? It doesn't look very spacious.

In other words, the later points are all window dressing from a critic demanding we accept the "fact" there is no difference between District 9 and the most hollow SFX-driven action film.

That's not what I said.

I said it was little more than a standard/formulaic action/shoot em up....not "no different" from one.

It was different... the "little more" being it's interesting premise.

As far as I can tell, any criticism of merit has been overshadowed by grandstanding. For example:

That's not hyperbole. I was being quite serious.

Also, that quote you pulled was not the only thing I said about the movie you know. I listed quite a few logical point about how ordinary I thought D-9 was without using what you are interpreting as hyperbole.

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No offense but there must be no joy or happiness left in your life.

Really? Because I didn't like D-9 and I took some time to explain why on a discussion board? That's one of the strangest things anyone has ever said to me in the history of my internetting.

Regarding anime52k8's post: Although I don't agree with Vic's points, I gotta say he has stated his case and his reasons for disliking the film clearly and quite logically.

Thanks Mog I appreciate that.

With District 9, the story was paramount. The film kept my attention through the end credits.

Well it lost my attention at the part I mentioned above in black. Don't get me wrong, I love the premise of the movie. 10 out of 10 for that. I've been following the D-9 movie since the first news of it was leaked...I was excited and anticipating this movie for a long time as a fan of Blonkamp and Jackson. I've been watching the youtube demo movies and all that stuff for the last year. I don't go to movies like G.I. Joe and Transformers. I stay away from almost all summer blockbusters, but I was very excited for D-9 based on what I knew of the premise and the brilliant website and marketing campaign they created. It really looked like it was going to be an innovative movie.

I like how D-9 was

But the actual story and sequence of events in the movie left a lot to be desired and didn't do justice to the premise at all IMO. It was a totally average action movie where they seemingly thew in random weapons and mecha suits for wow-factor.

I could go on and on. I was expecting so much more than a standard action movie with a great premise. Just too much of a typical popcorn blockbuster feel for my personal tastes and I left the theater very disappointed. Anyway, I've rambled enough.

I beg to differ. I thought District 9 was full of political and social commentary with some action thrown in to keep the audience engaged. My conclusion is that it was a platform to bring more awareness to apartheid not a platform to wow with special effects.

That's what it started out as, but the last 2/3rds were pretty much constant shooting and violence. That was "shoot em up" formula.

This movie went south for me as soon as

Edit: the sequels to the matrix were quite good. yeah, i said it.

Then I'm sure you'll love District 10 and 11.

And I'm sure Peter Jackson and Neil Blomkamp certainly discussed, maybe even planned, sequels if the movie was well received, just like the Wachowski bros.

I couldn't disagree more.

I really believe they wont do a sequel. It's a fantastic piece of film, that at the very least should make audiences think about other things beside the cool guns and mechs. I think it would lose a lot of its impact if they just went and did a sequel. I know Hollywood loves milking poo, but I think D9 is best served left alone now.

The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions say "hi".

While I too hope this movie is greatly successful, I really don't want it to spur development of a sequel. I can't really see how they'd make a sequel without retreading the path laid down by other scifis in a inanely predictable manner.

Of course there will be a sequel. And much like how District 9 ended up being little more than a platform to wow audiences by blowing people up in super cool ways with super cool alien weapons, District 10 will be a platform to wow audiences with more of the same but on a larger scale. ie: Armies of power suits fighting other armies of power suits. (yawn) And audiences will eat it up and finance D-11.

Thumbs down.

I was really looking forward to this movie, but it wasn't the film I thought it was going to be. The documentary style of it faded after the first act and it deteriorated into a fairly standard shoot em up summer blockbuster popcorn flick.

I mean - how in blazes did max fit into that enemy uniform!

Yea, exactly. That scale image above is BS in my books. In SDFM Zentrans are clearly around equal size to Battroids, Max fits perfectly into an average Zentran's uniform and walks past other Zentran's of equal height in the halls, yet Regults and Q-Raus don't look much larger than VF-1s either, and in many scenes we see micronian's fitting easily in the palms of Zentran hands. The scaling of things has always fluctuated, even in Frontier. No point in trying to make sense of it.

Personally I like to believe that the average Zent warrior is about the same height of a VF-1. I don't like the theory of them being significantly shorter. But that's just me.

A variable Super Sylph. lol. wtf?

I'm not out to bash Plus, it has it's fair share of good points, especially in areas of mechanical and military realism, it's just far from my favourite Macross. Elements like fanservice and moe characters in Frontier are window dressing, a signs of the times. Frontier's romance part is influenced by all the slice of life/moe shows of the last few years. Same as Plus carries a lot of cyberpunk of the early 90s and SDFM with the space operas of the 80s. In terms of character development and story complexity there is little difference.

Fair enough, but I don't think good character development is related to how mature something is. You can have great character development in a Harry Potter movie or a Pixar film. At the end of the day it's still less mature subject matter than say...(off the top of my head)...Children of Men. Even if the character development in CoM is not as deep.

I just opened that website for the first time now and... wow I seriously didn't know it was a porn site when I wrote my post - "anime-lovers.com" was just the first "fake anime" website that came to mind

I consider it a happy coincidence that it's a porn site

Pete

Wow, that makes it even funnier.

Macross Plus is an example where it went wrong, it suffers from a bad plot and unlikable characters. I'm aware that a lot of fans love this series but it's not more or less mature then SDFM or Frontier just more grim.

First of all, "unlikable characters"? Ouch. Isamu Dyson is my hero.

Secondly, I would say Plus and Zero are absolutely more mature than Frontier. You don't see anyone chasing runaway panties in Plus or proud Zentradi warriors being micronized into spazzy kawaii children flailing their arms in cartoonish temper tantrums because the object of their affection won't pay attention to them.

Don't get me wrong, I've actually come to love Frontier quite a lot, but it's definitely aimed at a less mature audience than Plus and Zero are.

I'll go a step further and say that if it ever did happen, the eagerly awaiting fans would find it didn't match their expectations anyway. I'll call the absence a good thing on that count.

That is signature worthy. Soooo true.

I've seen a lot of people asking for a "darker, grittier" Macross...I'm guessing that by that people were talking about something akin to Plus and Zero?

Yes. Those are my two favs. But I'd like to see a Macross even more "grown-up" than those. Something with a mature/complex GiTS type vibe. I want something for the adults fans.

I also want to see a singing idol that is outside of the Love triangle and be a supporting main charter for once. The "celebrity is overrated I just want a normal relationship" plot is getting too cliche for me. I say have the singing idol be the dead charater for once, their spirit and music can live on.

Great idea.

This whole debate is moot anyways.

Kawamori has announced that he has plans to retcon most of pre-Macross 7. He's going to do a "Director's Cut" of DYRL - kind of like Lucas - and add all the scenes that SHOULD have been there but couldn't due to budget constraints at the time. This includes painting all of the VF-1s pink.

As Kawamori stated in his recent interview on the subject:

Yamato has already announced that it will be converting all of its' production of the v.2 into pink Valkyrie.

BOMBA!

Pete

Wow, I almost fell for that.

Vic Mancini's train of thought:

"Ha...good one.... Nice joke.... This has to be a joke right?... On the other hand it's just stupid enough to be true.... It can't be true...can it?... I better go to the Anime-Lovers.com website to check this out.... Oh...(O_O)...yep...it's a joke."

Since there's a different approach to each new Macross series made by Mr Kawamory, I think it's time for a serious, mature, gritty, violent, and more on the military side series this opportunity.

Hell yeah.

Edit: I'm in the "Just say no" camp to the more Hikaru/Misa/Minmay, sentiment...

Fight Club.

You beat me to it.

Choke on the other hand..... Not so much.

macrossnake,

It's the futur Toynami Regult Pod presented at the Tokyo show 2009 but sorry, his scale's 1/100...

I just this moment realized a similarity...

The Half-Life 2 Hunter has always reminded me of something. I could never put my finger on it.

its actually not half bad, and its probably much closer in spirit to the original Macross series than Plus...

That's not necessarily a good thing. Empire Strikes Back is widely regarded as the best SW film, and it's probably futhest in spirit from the original film than any of the bunch.

It's amazing to me how every single thread that has anything to do with Mac7 eventually turns into this kind of a debate..even in the toy forum. I guess credit needs to be given where it's due...if Mac 7 has one thing going for it, it's it's own controversial nature. Everyone has a strong opinion about it one way or the other which is kind of cool.

I have zero interest in any Mac 7 designs. Not even the Emerald Force 19s or the Max, Milia, Gamlin 22s.

But I respect those that appreciate the designs of Mac 7 and hope that Yamato makes some kick-ass valks for them.

Or Pearl Harbor (2001), which proved that it's possible to travel from the US to England on a train.

Wait, what? I've never seen Pearl Harbor...does that actually happen?

Those are absolutely epic.