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So, DX VF19S retool as retail or P-Bandai release when?

On 3/20/2025 at 6:28 AM, Seto Kaiba said:

Like they say... "Friendly fire - isn't".

As a clone army on a scale almost unrivaled in sci-fi, Macross's Zentradi are shown to have a pretty cavalier attitude towards casualties.  Even benevolent Zentradi commanders like Vrlitwhai are shown to have zero qualms about sacrificing whole ships and crews to lure enemies out of hiding, and who could forget that one of Vrlitwhai and Laplamiz's key colleagues is a psychotically reckless commander with the sobriquet "The Ally-Killer" for his strategic tendency to get as many of his own men killed as the enemy's.

Mind you, the whole bit about the Imperial Guard's cruelty in Warhammer 40,000 is oversold by its fans too...

Well, unless if it's the Skaven, yes-yes?

Well, wonder if the Protodevilin in Macross 7 used the same we have reserves tactics as the Zentraedi?

On 3/13/2025 at 12:37 PM, Shawn said:

It you think the VF-1A Cannon Fodder was bad, imagine being strapped into the Regult-H "Iron Can" with reduced armor and firepower!

Well, at least you're not an Imperial Guardsman in Warhammer 40,000. You can still get  shot even if your side wins.

I'll take my chances with a Regult H or a VF-1A any day of the week.

Against a macronized Zentraedi, which gunpod is better suited for fighting them? Given that they are still organics.

16 hours ago, snakerbot said:

I remember reading somewhere when I was first getting into Macross back in the mid 2000s about GERWALK being an accident.

Must be a 'happy little accident' to quote Bob Ross.

Do the limbs of a Zentraedi soldier go inside a Zentraedi power suit's limbs ? I'm pretty sure that it would be a good idea in a fight to go for the limbs and cut them off to make them bleed out.

16 hours ago, Bolt said:

Considering the vastness of the Universe, surely there are other entities, life, etc. beyond the Protoculture and what they've touched. Macross could certainly explore this more than space whales. 

 

Ya like that. Sounds scary, like that old Steven King story..

 

agreed 

It will be like the Sharon Apple Incident all over again.

1 hour ago, pengbuzz said:

Thanks Seto; some days, my brain plays weird tricks on me. :_

Well...THAT had to hurt!!! O.o

Mus be fun to binge Nextflix on that system...

Yeah...wonder if you can use BDI as an entertainment system. Also, easier to unwatch things if needed.

So, okay, what changes would be made to the YF-21 if it won Project Super Nova? I was thinking they would need to scale back BDI/BDS and use manual controls as the main control option for the VF-21 again since well, BDS has a tendency to pick up stray thoughts from the pilot.

1 hour ago, pengbuzz said:

See for yourself:

YF-21:

https://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossplus/yf-21.htm

VF-22 Sturmvogel:

https://www.macross2.net/m3/macross7/vf-22s.htm

Aside from a few cosmetic differences and coloration, they look nearly identical. Main info on changes here (courtesy of Mr. March @ Macross Mecha Manual):

 

 

 

Given that you mentioned about it, what could be the changes done onto a theoratical VF-21F ro make it easier to control and produce? Since that was the goal of the VF-19F

Would a production ready YF-21 resemble a VF-22? Considering that they would have to scale back the BDI and BCS for the VF-22 since the BDI/BCS had a few hiccups as the primary control system.

So what's the purpose of the YF-19 moving the wings from backpack to legs. Was it to give the leg lasers a use in Battroid mode?

So, was General Galaxy aware of the YF-23 Black Widow's data though merging with Northrop Grumman ? Explains why the YF-21/VF-22 look like the YF-23

Can the DX YF-21 hold itself together without the braces? Oh, and the partsforming cockpit means one thing....we're going to get a VF-22 that has the heatshield for the first time in a 1/60 scale toy!

Regarding the YF-19/VF-19A's micro missile bays, are they drop in modules? The DX Chogokin and Arcadia toys together with a few scenes in Plus has the legs be used as a bay for a single missile.

44 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Honestly, it's incredibly weird that the VF-1 is still being used as a training aircraft in the Macross Delta series.

By 2067, the VF-1 is a 59-year-old platform and it's three to four generations behind the current model VFs that the military and PMCs are using. That should make it effectively useless as a training aircraft for combat pilots because its performance and technology are so far behind what the aircraft they would be flying in combat have. Xaos may have been using them for Hayate's training specifically because he was an unqualified pilot with minimal experience and crashing one of those is a heck of a lot cheaper than if he crashed a VF-31. It's probably not standard practice to use those for training.

In 2059, the VF-1 is used as a training aircraft... but only in civilian flight schools like the Macross Frontier fleet's Mihoshi Academy where students are getting their basic pilot's licenses. SMS trains pilots directly on the aircraft they're going to be flying, and the New UN Spacy probably does the same assuming there are training versions of the VF-171.

When we see Gamlin training in Macross 7 PLUS, The aircraft he's shown training on is a VF-11C Super Thunderbolt... the aircraft that was the standard military fighter used in the 37th fleet. Then once he joined the special forces, he moved to a VF-17D Nightmare. Odds are he never touched a VF-1 prior to borrowing Milia's.

Ah, I see. So he never touched a VF-1 before.

Speaking of which. So, are the VF-171s in Delta basically VF-171EXs without the VF-19 engines and EX-Gear?

3 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

True... though, if anything, that's a Reality Ensues moment.

Gamlin was trained on the VF-11C Thunderbolt and VF-17D/S Nightmare.  Both of those VFs are at least two generations newer than the VF-1 Valkyrie and have considerably higher performance.  He hopped into a VF he'd never trained on, and discovered it had about 1/5th of the performance he was used to.  Like someone whose daily driver is a Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat who finds himself driving a Toyota Prius while on holiday.

 

You KNOW she's never gonna let that go.

If Gamlin and Mylene ended up married, you KNOW she'd blackmail Gamlin with that every chance she gets.

Onto a more serious note. Why did Gamlin struggle with Mila's VF-1? I thought he should have training on it given that VF-1s are still used as trainers even in the era of Delta.

2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

True... though, if anything, that's a Reality Ensues moment.

Gamlin was trained on the VF-11C Thunderbolt and VF-17D/S Nightmare.  Both of those VFs are at least two generations newer than the VF-1 Valkyrie and have considerably higher performance.  He hopped into a VF he'd never trained on, and discovered it had about 1/5th of the performance he was used to.  Like someone whose daily driver is a Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat who finds himself driving a Toyota Prius while on holiday.

 

You KNOW she's never gonna let that go.

If Gamlin and Mylene ended up married, you KNOW she'd blackmail Gamlin with that every chance she gets.

Make this a cross with Delta so that Mirage can join in.

So, how does  the VF-2SS and VF-2JA from Macross II compare to the canon VFs from Delta?

Speaking of which, I wonder how does a non-monkey model VF-19A compare to a 5th Gen VF?

And what could we see in 6th Gen VFs?

Part of me wishes that Bandai could do 'what ifs' of toys in the Macross Chogokin line....A VF-22 Fire Bomber custom anyone?

On 1/8/2024 at 3:35 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

Just as well, imagine the DoorDash/GrubHub service charge for a trip of 5.4 billion km...

Enough to possibly afford some VF-25s for you and two of your closest school mates.

On 1/8/2024 at 4:02 AM, Seto Kaiba said:

Not as such... the Lancer II does have a cold sleep function, but it's not for long-distance journeys.

At least, not intentional ones.

Despite being designated a space fighter, the Lancer II is actually a space attacker that functions rather like a manned missile.  It's designed to make a single high-powered strafing run on an enemy ship and then be caught up to and recovered by an aircraft carrier.  Its engine is a thermonuclear rocket that only has enough fuel to burn for 60 seconds (but at a gargantuan 153,000kgf) and its verniers are only good for about 5 seconds (but at a similarly gargantuan 230,000kgf).  It has massive acceleration but basically no endurance, so it's designed to come screaming in at high speed, strafe the enemy ship with its high-powered particle beam cannons and thermonuclear reaction missiles, coast past the enemy, and wait for recovery.  The low metabolic function cold sleep system built into the Lancer II's cockpit is there to cover the possibility that immediate recovery might not always be possible due to the loss of the carrier, the fighter drifting off course, etc.  It's rated to operate for anywhere from 6 hours to 6 months using the Lancer II's backup power system.

If a Lancer II with a pilot in cold sleep was discovered out near Pluto (which is ~36 AU from Earth) it would either have to have come out there on a fold-capable ship (by accident or design) and been mistakenly written off as destroyed, or its pilot is the luckiest SOB in existence having his life support system somehow hang on 50 times longer than it was designed to while his fighter spent 25 years or so drifting there at ~7km/s after missing a carrier recovery near Earth.

If there are patrols out that far after the war, they're either operating from a base out there or from a fold capable carrier.

Yeah, possibly why people want their Fold Boosters.....

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That's a Robotech-ism... I don't believe Macross ever specifies where the small forested area Quamzin found his derelict ship was.  Probably not that far away, considering that the forces loyal to Quamzin were raiding cities near Macross City for supplies on foot and using cars... and that's in Alaska.

 

No, Earth was basically a write-off... it seems like the only reasons Humanity didn't simply abandon it was because they didn't have enough ships right off the bat and didn't know about Eden yet.

Even as far as back as Macross Perfect Memory, it's indicated that the bombardment wiped out nearly all flora and fauna on the planet.  A few tiny pockets of life survived, but in practice the planet was rendered almost totally lifeless.  Perfect Memory suggests the bombardment was so intense it actually changed the axis of Earth's rotation, and agrees with later works that it radically changed the composition of the atmosphere and the global climate.  Later works (e.g. Macross Chronicle) added more detail like that it kicked up so much dust and debris that the air was basically unbreathable, much of the oceans evaporated, the global average temperature jumped by six degrees centigrade to 21C with ongoing global warming occurring due to elevated carbon dioxide levels and almost no plant life to process it, apocalyptic levels of air and soil pollution, etc.

It took drastic measures to make Earth even marginally habitable again, including installing a massive orbital sunshade to slow global warming down, deploying designer bacteria to correct the atmospheric composition in place of the wiped out plant and plankton species, cleanup of radioactive contamination, cloning animals back into existence using the captured cloning technology of the Zentradi, etc. 

The damage is so severe that it's indicated it'll take ten thousand years or more to restore Earth to something like its prewar state.  The restoration efforts are said to be going well, to the point that plants have been found growing outside of cultivated areas, so those patches of forest are probably still around but they're a tiny exception in what is otherwise an enormous desert.

Bummer. So much for those humans and other life on Earth left behind

On 11/22/2023 at 10:09 AM, TG Remix said:

"Stealth is required for this mission"

"Not in this part of that galaxy it isn't!" - Some unhinged frontier NUNS engineer

 

Cue the Lyran Recon Lance. Aka let's scout with our heavier equipment and reduce the surrounding area into a parking lot while we're at it! It's stealth if there is no survivors which means no witnesses! Right?

A VF-22 with reaction warheads, the perfect stealth VF