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Regarding the YF-19/VF-19A's micro missile bays, are they drop in modules? The DX Chogokin and Arcadia toys together with a few scenes in Plus has the legs be used as a bay for a single missile.

44 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Honestly, it's incredibly weird that the VF-1 is still being used as a training aircraft in the Macross Delta series.

By 2067, the VF-1 is a 59-year-old platform and it's three to four generations behind the current model VFs that the military and PMCs are using. That should make it effectively useless as a training aircraft for combat pilots because its performance and technology are so far behind what the aircraft they would be flying in combat have. Xaos may have been using them for Hayate's training specifically because he was an unqualified pilot with minimal experience and crashing one of those is a heck of a lot cheaper than if he crashed a VF-31. It's probably not standard practice to use those for training.

In 2059, the VF-1 is used as a training aircraft... but only in civilian flight schools like the Macross Frontier fleet's Mihoshi Academy where students are getting their basic pilot's licenses. SMS trains pilots directly on the aircraft they're going to be flying, and the New UN Spacy probably does the same assuming there are training versions of the VF-171.

When we see Gamlin training in Macross 7 PLUS, The aircraft he's shown training on is a VF-11C Super Thunderbolt... the aircraft that was the standard military fighter used in the 37th fleet. Then once he joined the special forces, he moved to a VF-17D Nightmare. Odds are he never touched a VF-1 prior to borrowing Milia's.

Ah, I see. So he never touched a VF-1 before.

Speaking of which. So, are the VF-171s in Delta basically VF-171EXs without the VF-19 engines and EX-Gear?

3 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

True... though, if anything, that's a Reality Ensues moment.

Gamlin was trained on the VF-11C Thunderbolt and VF-17D/S Nightmare.  Both of those VFs are at least two generations newer than the VF-1 Valkyrie and have considerably higher performance.  He hopped into a VF he'd never trained on, and discovered it had about 1/5th of the performance he was used to.  Like someone whose daily driver is a Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat who finds himself driving a Toyota Prius while on holiday.

 

You KNOW she's never gonna let that go.

If Gamlin and Mylene ended up married, you KNOW she'd blackmail Gamlin with that every chance she gets.

Onto a more serious note. Why did Gamlin struggle with Mila's VF-1? I thought he should have training on it given that VF-1s are still used as trainers even in the era of Delta.

2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

True... though, if anything, that's a Reality Ensues moment.

Gamlin was trained on the VF-11C Thunderbolt and VF-17D/S Nightmare.  Both of those VFs are at least two generations newer than the VF-1 Valkyrie and have considerably higher performance.  He hopped into a VF he'd never trained on, and discovered it had about 1/5th of the performance he was used to.  Like someone whose daily driver is a Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat who finds himself driving a Toyota Prius while on holiday.

 

You KNOW she's never gonna let that go.

If Gamlin and Mylene ended up married, you KNOW she'd blackmail Gamlin with that every chance she gets.

Make this a cross with Delta so that Mirage can join in.

So, how does  the VF-2SS and VF-2JA from Macross II compare to the canon VFs from Delta?

Speaking of which, I wonder how does a non-monkey model VF-19A compare to a 5th Gen VF?

And what could we see in 6th Gen VFs?

Part of me wishes that Bandai could do 'what ifs' of toys in the Macross Chogokin line....A VF-22 Fire Bomber custom anyone?

On 1/8/2024 at 3:35 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

Just as well, imagine the DoorDash/GrubHub service charge for a trip of 5.4 billion km...

Enough to possibly afford some VF-25s for you and two of your closest school mates.

On 1/8/2024 at 4:02 AM, Seto Kaiba said:

Not as such... the Lancer II does have a cold sleep function, but it's not for long-distance journeys.

At least, not intentional ones.

Despite being designated a space fighter, the Lancer II is actually a space attacker that functions rather like a manned missile.  It's designed to make a single high-powered strafing run on an enemy ship and then be caught up to and recovered by an aircraft carrier.  Its engine is a thermonuclear rocket that only has enough fuel to burn for 60 seconds (but at a gargantuan 153,000kgf) and its verniers are only good for about 5 seconds (but at a similarly gargantuan 230,000kgf).  It has massive acceleration but basically no endurance, so it's designed to come screaming in at high speed, strafe the enemy ship with its high-powered particle beam cannons and thermonuclear reaction missiles, coast past the enemy, and wait for recovery.  The low metabolic function cold sleep system built into the Lancer II's cockpit is there to cover the possibility that immediate recovery might not always be possible due to the loss of the carrier, the fighter drifting off course, etc.  It's rated to operate for anywhere from 6 hours to 6 months using the Lancer II's backup power system.

If a Lancer II with a pilot in cold sleep was discovered out near Pluto (which is ~36 AU from Earth) it would either have to have come out there on a fold-capable ship (by accident or design) and been mistakenly written off as destroyed, or its pilot is the luckiest SOB in existence having his life support system somehow hang on 50 times longer than it was designed to while his fighter spent 25 years or so drifting there at ~7km/s after missing a carrier recovery near Earth.

If there are patrols out that far after the war, they're either operating from a base out there or from a fold capable carrier.

Yeah, possibly why people want their Fold Boosters.....

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That's a Robotech-ism... I don't believe Macross ever specifies where the small forested area Quamzin found his derelict ship was.  Probably not that far away, considering that the forces loyal to Quamzin were raiding cities near Macross City for supplies on foot and using cars... and that's in Alaska.

 

No, Earth was basically a write-off... it seems like the only reasons Humanity didn't simply abandon it was because they didn't have enough ships right off the bat and didn't know about Eden yet.

Even as far as back as Macross Perfect Memory, it's indicated that the bombardment wiped out nearly all flora and fauna on the planet.  A few tiny pockets of life survived, but in practice the planet was rendered almost totally lifeless.  Perfect Memory suggests the bombardment was so intense it actually changed the axis of Earth's rotation, and agrees with later works that it radically changed the composition of the atmosphere and the global climate.  Later works (e.g. Macross Chronicle) added more detail like that it kicked up so much dust and debris that the air was basically unbreathable, much of the oceans evaporated, the global average temperature jumped by six degrees centigrade to 21C with ongoing global warming occurring due to elevated carbon dioxide levels and almost no plant life to process it, apocalyptic levels of air and soil pollution, etc.

It took drastic measures to make Earth even marginally habitable again, including installing a massive orbital sunshade to slow global warming down, deploying designer bacteria to correct the atmospheric composition in place of the wiped out plant and plankton species, cleanup of radioactive contamination, cloning animals back into existence using the captured cloning technology of the Zentradi, etc. 

The damage is so severe that it's indicated it'll take ten thousand years or more to restore Earth to something like its prewar state.  The restoration efforts are said to be going well, to the point that plants have been found growing outside of cultivated areas, so those patches of forest are probably still around but they're a tiny exception in what is otherwise an enormous desert.

Bummer. So much for those humans and other life on Earth left behind

On 11/22/2023 at 10:09 AM, TG Remix said:

"Stealth is required for this mission"

"Not in this part of that galaxy it isn't!" - Some unhinged frontier NUNS engineer

 

Cue the Lyran Recon Lance. Aka let's scout with our heavier equipment and reduce the surrounding area into a parking lot while we're at it! It's stealth if there is no survivors which means no witnesses! Right?

A VF-22 with reaction warheads, the perfect stealth VF

Okay, they gave us a swappable seat, but not a cover for the inside of the cockpit for battroid mode. Fun. I mean, if they want to they can do it with how the cockpit is designed.

So, there was mention of the Battroid initially being a non-transformable mech a la Gundam's MSes, what caused it to be merged into the VF-1 project?

1 minute ago, azrael said:

Because why not? Pilots were getting into hand-to-hand combat situations. Why not have a knife? Seeing that later VFs incorporated a combat knife, a bayonet wasn't a bad idea.

VF-11s did have wing hardpoints. They just didn't show it on-screen that much.

Okay, then why did they not try that way back during the time of the VF-0?

So. any ideas for why someone came up with the idea of a bayonet for the VF-11B gunpod? And whose idiotic idea was it to remove the wing store options for the VF-11 as well? 

So, yeah, wonder about something, are there EX-Gear regular infantry in the NUN Army?  EX-Gear could be useful as heavy weapom haulers.

Imagine someone in a EX-Gear going Predator with a handheld minigun.

4 hours ago, pengbuzz said:

Basically: suicide ego runs?

Close to it. Like Imperial Guardsmen but with smaller numbers....

Yeah, VFs save for the SV-51 would stink for dispersed basing with highways or short dirt strips as runways since the maneuver mentioned above to gerwalk the VF would be awkward to use.

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

As attached as Macross is to the pineapple gag, they probably evolved from pineapples.

Imagine the PTSD flashbacks if Roy met them.....Good thing by then that Roy is probably in the fossil record

Also, just something I noticed...do VFs need to half gerwalk to VTOL?  The SV-51 had a set of lift jets to enable it to VTOL in fighter mode but the others?

52 minutes ago, JB0 said:

The holy trinity of military equipment. B-52 bombers, M2 machine guns, VF-17(1) transforming fighterbots.

You forgot M1911s, M16s and AK pattern rifles.

And speaking of that story idea of a Macross set in the far future....wonder if that protagonist Protoculture descended race  get stumped over custom colour schemes for VFs.

"Hey, I wonder if those colour schemes give additional capabilities to those 'Variable Fighters'?"

"From our testing....no."

And I was thinking about our main protagonist accessing a recording  of various songs, ranging from Lyn Minmei, Fire Bomber and Walkure and being captivated by the music itself.

25 minutes ago, JB0 said:

The real moral of this story is the F-117 is the only plane you need.

Considering the Nightmare Plus is still running around during the events of Delta....yeah, when the age of man is over in the Macross universe, the testaments to it's existence would be warehouses of VF-171s waiting to be deployed once again.

Anyone thinks that the way General Galaxy does things is kinda similar to the often memetic design of how British WW2 AFVs were developed.

"The UN Spacy wants a special operations Variable Fighter."

"Make a transforming F-117 with high micro missile capability."

"Our YF-21 lost Project Super Nova to the YF-19!"

"Redesign the YF-21 as a high performance special operations VF!"

"Our rival's VF-19 is too uncontrollable for average pilots"

"DETUNE THAT TRANSFORMING F-117 AND REDESIGN IT TO BE EASILY PILOTED BY GRUNTS"

And of course the Frontier Fleet.

"The Varja are quite difficult to take down with coventional firepower."

"Shrink down some Dimension Eaters to be fired from our gunpods."

"They're proving difficult to kill with bullets!"

"Here's a VF-sized beam cannon with similar effects to a Dimension Eater!"

"We don't have enough VF-25s to go around!"

"UPGRADE SOME NIGHTMARE PLUSES WITH VF-19 ENGINES AND EX-GEAR."

1 hour ago, pengbuzz said:

You mean like this one:

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Pity Makima having to clean out what's left of Messer.

Okay, If I remember correctly, the reason for why the YF-19 and YF-21 FAST Packs were quite barebones in comparison to the previous FAST Packs were that they have much better propellant capacity and engines in comparison to the previous models, negating the need for boosters, so why the reasoning for boosters coming back from 7 onwards?

34 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

This is Macross not Warhammer 40,000 or Gundam... it doesn't get quite that dark here.

The Boddole Zer main fleet's bombardment of the Earth's surface was on the level of a global mass extinction event. Anyone who was on the surface was killed. Almost everyone would have been killed in the blast themselves as every population center was destroyed. A few unlucky souls living in particularly remote regions might have lasted long enough to be killed by secondary effects of the bombardment like tidal waves, earthquakes, or to suffocate on the dust, ash, and other pollutants saturating the atmosphere. It's unlikely that anyone on the surface lived long enough to have any concerns about where their next meal was going to come from.

The approximately 1 million survivors of the disaster were people who were not on Earth's surface at the time. People like the inhabitants of the Apollo base colony on Luna, the space colonies and factories at the Lagrange points, the civilians and crew aboard the recently resupplied Macross, and the regional command center bunkers located beneath each of the Grand Cannon systems. The survivors were either out in space in partially or fully self-sufficient space habitats, aboard recently resupplied warships, or in massive underground bunkers designed and provisioned to resist a prolonged alien invasion. It took a while for the environmental cleanup efforts to render the atmosphere breathable again, and extreme measures had to be taken to prevent runaway global warming and other catastrophes, and there was rationing in place for a while after that, but there's no evidence that anyone was in danger of starvation. Times were tough, but not insurmountably so.

I pity those poor sods...yeah that's gonna destroy what's left of Earth's biodiversity and not to mention, really restrict arable farmland........

Okay, when Earth got bombarded from orbit by the Zentraedi during Space War 1, were there any instances of famine (and the other nastier stuff such as cannibalism) for the first few months from the survivors  or did the bombardment spare some farmland by coincidence?