Karaoke Ninja

What do you mean in specific? They look the same to me.

The arms in gerwalk are much thicker and have blue stripes. The battroid arms are slimmer and have no stripes.

Why are the arms completely different for battroid and gerwalk...?

A lot of assumptions right here

They didn't even hint they were looking for Freya. If anything it sounded like they were after Walkure since one of them fired a salvo of missiles while saying "Die Walkure!"

You know there's a big difference between beer can missile or an Arcadia cameo easter egg and a main character in a worker destroid doing roller boogie electric boogaloo while super fun happy magical girls prance and sing.

All this while civilians are dying from an old foe driven insane from music in addition to some random 18th century aristocrats in varible fighter show up unannounced looking for a runaway bride deciding "diplomacy is for dweebs" and start annihiliating the planets defense force.

Did I miss anything?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZFn96KWYBA What's wrong with the main character dancing in a mecha? And to be fair most of those things didn't happen at the same time.

So wrong.

I've never seen M7, b/c everything about it seemed ridiculous (although the external valk designs are cool, just not the instrument cockpits..bleh!), and Delta seems like it's leaning a little too far in that direction. I could handle that in some other anime, maybe, but not in Macross. No matter how wicked the valk design is, the cool desolves the minute they break into song and dance. Or ride magical rainbow boomerangs while singing and dancing. This thread is depressing.

Macross has always been silly.

There maybe a chance on feb 7 during the winter wonderfest to see if there will an updated 31 prototype!

http://tamashii.jp/special/macross/

Watch this space then!

I hope they announce the VF-31 for the Hi-Metal R line. I don't have much money so it'd be good for someone with a limited amount of funds like me...

While I realize that Macross and singing go hand in hand, I'd rather it be done in the original Macross or M+ way, with a practical reason for the singer doing their thing. When the singing takes on a mystical role and the singers are front and center, it loses its appeal.

The singing is pretty similar to Macross Plus' though so it's not really that mystical. The Var Syndrome is just someone making people aggressive through singing like how Sharon brainwashed people with singing. It's not that different.

Other than Mikumo, I think we all missed a pretty clear signal the other girls are in EX Suits with holograms projected from them (or they're some sort of EX-Puppet.) In the scene when the 31's first fly in and 01 starts dropping the hover boomerang things, 04 flys towards the screen just off to the left. The cockpit is open and as it passes out of frame a clearly EX suited body leaps onto screen and then glows and turns into the girl in green. It's all some sort of elaborate projection onto technology and no doubt we'll learn more about it and be okay with the "magic" in later episodes.

Looks more like a normal space suit to me but maybe it's a holographic suit. Seems like the most likely explanation.

Actually neither of those are references, sorry. Both are just standard Japanese that existed long before either of those franchises.

I think he was joking.

Aha - rewatched and found it now - a frame-freeze bonus.

Looks like it's far more Kawamoriesque than I initially thought. Intentionally made to look like magic with quick bits to show it's actually technology (well Macross technology - like a quckly-set-up a force field leaving one totally intact from a direct rocket hit) and left for the fans to find. Still wonder what kind of tech Mikumo uses to manage the force field so quickly - she can set it up in time for the expllosion, then pushes it out to get free of the rubble. But this has to be explained somewhere

All of Walkure use these devices on their fingernails to control the drones. You can actually see them flicking their hands and such to direct them as part of their dance routines.

On the "artsy" side, I did love the endless stream of references to everything.

The animation is mixed - battles gorgeous, Freyja a bit overdone on comic side - but this is a pilot episode, fair play.

What really has me worried, though, are the superpowers of the Walkure. For the entire Macross series, singers, well *human* singers, did not come with magical superpowers, and that was a part of what made them great. Minmay, Ranka, Sheryl - they were human, they were fragile, anything else was either stage image or "invulnerability by lack of shooting" - nobody WANTS to shoot at her. Basara was a tough man and good pilot in addition to a good singer but he was still vulnerable, though, as of Dynamite, would recover surprisingly quickly.

And here, they can actually fly and *survive direct rocket hits without armour* ?

I still hope Kawamori will deconstruct this part to smithereens. To start with, we might see the girl who was hit by rockets in hospital or outright dead. Or we might have an explanation of what shielded her that does not involve magical superpowers, but rather works in the "soft sci fi" way typical of Macross (someone using a device to generatre a force field around her, for example).

They fly using verniers hidden under their skirts similar to what Sheryl used in one of her concerts and you need to re-watch that scene where Mikumo is hit by those missiles because she guards the explosion using those Multi-Drones at the last second. Nothing magical about that so far.

What I want to know is how does Walkure send their songs to the Var victims? Do they need to be in close range to do it like we saw with Mikumo when she rushed that Queadluun? But what about that scene where Messer was surrounded and all those Zentradi fell over despite none of the girls being nearby? I'm guessing the songs are more effective the closer the girls are and the Multi-Drones help transmit their songs.

WHY IS THERE NO FAN ART OF THE CHARACTERS OUT YET??!!! C'MON JAPAN, YOU DISAPPOINT!!!

http://www.pixiv.net/search.php?s_mode=s_tag_full&word=%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B9%CE%94 There's been some already.

Anyone else think Messer and Hayate will be rivals of sorts when he finally joins Delta squadron?

The strange made up japanese country dialect and nonsensical words she uses just makes her sound like an idiot. Again, this is just imo. Go ahead, call me a hater, it's true lol.

I find that strange since you don't seem to hate the made up language the Zentradi use...

Do you believe a majority of people posting here dislike Delta?

currently the percentage is 54.55％ positive 24.03% negative.

Other online communities I frequent show a mostly positive reaction to Delta. The only haters seem to be the ones going "Idols in MY Macross? NO THANK YOU. MACROSS RUINED FOREVER"

My criticism of Delta actually has nothing to do with the specifics of the content (ie how realistic the tech is) or the target audience. What I don't like is the trend in contemporary anime to jump wildly from one mood to another.

A perfect example of this is FMA Brotherhood, where you get characters dealing with extremely deep emotional impact, resurrection of dead loved ones and the consequences of their very mature decisions, and then you spontaneously get scenes where the animation turns into grade-school doodles with tears streaming out across the screen.

The same thing happens constantly in another couple of recent anime I watched, Kekkaishi and Soul Eater. I remember remarking to my wife that I felt like those shows had a bit of ADD going on, because they couldn't maintain a steady trajectory for me as a viewer to stay hooked on.

Conversely, Macross 7 had a completely zany premise (weaponized song energy), but maintained a consistent tone throughout. Even though it was lighthearted, it took you along for the ride and worked the serious moments into the story with good narrative pacing and logical story progression. Probably the most mature moment in the series was Gamlin dealing with Physica's loss, but it had perfect context to accompany it and wasn't interspersed with sight gags.

Macross Frontier had a concert, then a space battle, teen high school drama, space battle, an episode centered around the fight to reclaim Sheryl's underwear, then a guy getting torn in half and a main character graphically sacrificing himself to save his grieving lover before the final couple episodes of space battle. Very back and forth.

Delta is, to me, following the trend of jarring the viewer between wacky over-the-top situations and serious ones, which makes it very hard to stay focused on as a viewer. In this episode we had some well-paced character introduction of Freya and Hayate (light pacing), but then the Var activates and it's the Walkure Super Spies jumping into action with their VF-31 backup dancers to combat it (zany). Spontaneously, the unknown enemy Valkyries show up, destroy some military vessels, and it's back to Macross aerial dogfights (serious).

All of these styles can work effectively, and I've enjoyed shows developed around all of the same elements, but jumping between them makes me feel like I'm changing the channel every few minutes. I hope Delta can rein that in and carry me between the moments of seriousness and levity, rather than yanking me between them like anime post-2005 has seemed to track towards. Knowing the trends (as well as the otaku culture that has more say in what's popular) has me a little worried though.

This isn't anything new to anime at all. Even Gundam 0079 had serious moments with wacky facial expressions inbetween.

Hey I've watched and enjoyed programming that was intended more for female audiences. Most of it tried to maintain a balance that all audience could enjoy something. The focus on Delta is just too directed towards girls that like cutesy magical girls. Maybe grown men liking this type of anime is like grown men liking My Little Pony.

I think Delta had a pretty good balance of mecha action and cute girls. Hell, there was more mecha footage than idol footage in that preview episode. Even when Walkure was singing the VFs were right there with them doing something and the Draken/Siegfried battles lasted longer than the Walkure performance.

I have absolute confidence that they will only appear once in such a flashy manner (or at least have completely different outfits/animation each time). Every episode would also be a unlikely as they would only "transform" for the battles. Modern magical girl shows that are not a villain-of-the-week series are pretty particular about only showing an extended transformation sequence once throughout the entire run. This is especially true for shorter anime that have a higher budget as the stock transformation scenes are usually used as filler.

So long as it's not as bad as Macross 7's stock footage. How many times did we have to see that Fire Valkyrie transformation clip?

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What is this and why haven't I seen this before.

Commercial for some SD kid toys.

Is this a magical girl, like in Delta?

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I see Yotsuba who is a little girl so yes I think so. And she's like 6 years old. Little creepy for Duke to be hanging out with her honestly...

Gonna watch a third time today.

Wanna check and make sure all of Delta's hits against the Zentradi mecha were disabling hits or whether there were any cockpit kills.

From what I remember they were all disables, i.e. limbs lopped off, but wanna make sure.

I'm pretty sure they were all disabling hits too. When Messer saves one of the girls from a Regult/Queadluun he seemed to shoot the arms and legs.

The boomerang technology seems too advanced for the Macross universe, unless there has been some rapid breakthoughths in miniturization since Frontier.

As someone mentioned during the Podcast, why need Valks (apart for as wireless recharging stations).

How do the boomerangs fly for one? I guess it has to be sub-miniture anti-gravity drives, as there are no thrusters, jets, verniers or propellers visible.

If anti-grav technology has advanced to that level, why do Valks still need Gerwalk mode, or even wings for that matter. You no longer need wings for lift if you have so efficient anti-gravity drives.

After re-watching the preview episode I noticed that the drones do have small thrusters on the bottom/top and corners.

Also, if you're looking for good story lines and character building in grim settings, you're doing wrong to look at Thunderbolt. IBO, despite all its problems, is far grimmer, with much better storytelling and character-building. Thunderbolt is Call of Duty grim-dark Gundam. IBO is actual grim Gundam. One wonders if perhaps you just have bad taste in anime.

If he thinks IBO is good then maybe he does have bad taste...