AlphaHX

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Sorry if this has been asked before but does the fast pack versions of the VF-25 come with the parts to make the ship without the armor?

So I decided to finally pick up the GN-U after owning the Revoltech YF-19/21 for a couple weeks now. I didnt expect to like them to much since I wanted the dynamic poses that Revoltechs allowed. But I'm really glad I got them now. I dont really pose them but they look great in the classic lineart stance imo.

After I stopped comparing them to the Revoltechs, I like them a lot more now. To me, I dont see them being good for dynamic poses, but just great true-to-the-lineart figures.

One of the biggest thing that bugged me was the YF-19 cod piece. It looked kinda round around the edges. It was a easy fix and I sanded it down to make it look closer to the lineart. I also edited the top part of the piece to have that knotch the lineart has. Heres a couple comparison pics.

I hope Yamato releases another set with fast packs and more accessories. I wasnt a big fan of the "gripping" hand for the GN-U figures. I had trouble getting them to grip their guns with it. I hope Yamato makes more; I wouldnt mind getting a GN-U VF-1 too.

Go back to page 81, first post, pics that show the head looking wide when it looks toward "the camera."

The head looking wide was never a complaint of mine. I wondering about the thickness of the visor.

Truth be told...crocth jokes aside... i hate the crotch. It looks like its hanging too low.

It's not that the cod piece is too big or low, but that the hips are at the wrong spot. They should be around the middle and not at the top of the area.

After editing it, its not the only problem. Eugimon could be right and the hips are on the wrong spot.

Also as u can see in my PS picture that I posted earlier, even after moving the piece up, it still looks like the legs are tad too high.

http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?act=...st&id=55375

Due to the lack of knowledge we have on the transformation mechanism that Bandai is using, I'm thinking they had to make that compromise on the cod piece. Not all anime magic can be solved.

I'm still curious about the big visor. Does anyone know where to find a good straight on view of Alto's VF-25 head in the anime? I really dont recall it being that thick.

I hope the visor is going to be translucent green plastic and not just green paint on top of the base white plastic.

Graham

I didnt know that was something to be concerned about. I hope its the translucent too.

With the way the toy is turning out, I might settle with the better looking model kits instead The wide head and pelvis/leg misplacement is a deal breaker for me atm. *long sigh*

Both Alto's VF-25 toy and model has the wide head. I'm starting to think its either a design choice or it might because we've never seen the head from that angle in the anime before. Either way, I have faith that Bandai is aware of it. Even if it does get released looking like that, Kawamori does "okay" it. So who knows whats going on. I'm just hoping Bandai will release more colored pictures soon. We seem to be getting a lot of the grey prototype pictures.

I personally didnt have too much faith in the beginning but after seeing the changes they did and the job they did on the Aquarion DX toys, I have to admit I was quite impressed. If they can get it looking as accurate as the Aquarion toys, its gonna be good day for us Macross fans. Have a little faith people.

vifam7 translated one of the magazine articles where its mentioned. Kawamori wanted the head to take a certain shape, less narrow from the top I think.

Anyways Bandai is not alone in having to change things for Kawamori's approval, Yamato has to go through him for their releases too. He is the reason we didn't get a brown 1/60 VF-0A.

I hope we see production photos soon, I'm itching to see Ozma's in fighter mode, and also see what kind of coating these will have. I want to see gloss coating like on the chunkys. I hope Alto's 25 also has the ultraviolent tint that the VF-1A Hikaru reissue had. That tint was awesome.

Cool, thanks.

Ooo... gloss and ultraviolet coating. That can be quite promising.

Well Kawamori did request changes for the shape of the head, that deviated from the appearance on TV. Also it doesn't help that the head in the picture looks to be angled as if looking upwards, on a ball joint.

I like the look of the toy so far.

Really? Thats interesting. I wonder what specific changes Kawamori requested. Where did you find out about that?

I wonder why he would make any changes. Maybe Alto gets his head blown off too many times and they redesign his VF-25 with a new fatty visor head by the end of the series.

Its coming along nicely...

But am I the only one who feels that the visor is huge?

Also I guess this might just be an odd angle but is either the cod piece is too low or the legs too high?

Heres a picture where I photoshopped a few changes to the visor and cod piece. Looks closer to the official art imo.

I guess its not a huge deal but itll be nice for them to tweak the details. It doesnt seem like something that'll be that hard to change... but then again, I'm not positive on how the transformation works so I guess the cod/leg thing might be difficult. Who knows...

Still better than none at all.

How stale would it be if we only had the original and DYRL to talk about. We'd be probably going Gundam la la la la by now.

So very true. Still isnt stopping me from hoping for more tho.

Hello.

I'm a Japanese Macross fan.

I think Macross Frontier is so popular in anime fans. There are hundreds of post in Macross community in mixi (the Japanese biggest SNS) every day.

OST is selling very well too.

However, Gundam is more famous generally, to our regret .

Welcome to the board!

I've always wanted Macross to be big enough to warrent more shows, ovas, or movies. It's sad to see Macross come up only every 5-10 years from its last series.

That's super stupid

The YF-21 got delayed and look at how that turned out!

If a month delay is what it takes for them to release with no quality problems, I for one welcome it.

I would like to see the VF-19 be redesigned (or simply better CGI) to look slimmer like the VF-25.

That would be awesome.

I dunno if these has been posted but these pictures make it look pretty good imo.

I reversed the non-model to compare for the battroid mode.

Maybe it should have a name dedicated to the VF-19. It kinda looks like it.

The painted Alto VF-25F and the unpainted Ozma VF-25S shown so far are the 1/72 scale model kits.

Absolutely nothing has been shown for the 1/100 line yet, which is why I suspect it may have been dropped.

Graham

Isnt the one on the right 1/100 scale?

wow, two pages and no one's arguing about what color the heat shield should be

No need to argue.

DYRL Screenshot:

That looks like you drew it, is that true? If so amazing job, same even if it is computer rendered, certainly something I can't do. Can you do other things like VF-25 with the super packs instead of armor, maybe some pics in gerwalk and battroid too? Do as you wish of course, I just think it would be cool to see those.

Nope, I dont really have time to draw or create my own things with school around. Its a screenshot that I edited and cleaned up.

Also - in the real world; newer and better is often smaller. Lots of examples of this...

VFTF1

Planes has increased in size since WWII. Good amount of cars now are bigger than they were in the 90s. All depends on how you look at it. Theres plenty of examples either way.

AlphaHX

Well that's all fine and dandy. I was only posting some canon figures that I thought would help. But it looks like there's baggage in this discussion that wasn't apparent to me before. I said "feelings" to avoid labeling your opinion as based on fact because you specifically didn't want your opinions described as such. Now you're not satisfied with either term, so in an attempt to accommodate you I'm now at a total loss.

I will say this much on my own behalf: the official Macross statistics are not trivial. Kawamori designed the Valkyries with certain weights and dimensions for a reason. He's an engineer, so he knows what it is he's doing. It's not like some third party came along years after and pulled numbers from nowhere just so Big West could add filler text to some Macross fan book. We fans may not be privy to the reasons why Kawamori made his Valkyries a certain size or weight but that doesn't make quoting his figures meaningless just because the exposition wasn't "animated" in the SDF Macross anime.

I understand your use of "feelings". Dont get me wrong, I just said it gave the impression that I'm using all feelings that follows no line of logical thought which at that rate I'm just a rambling 5 year old. Thats just all feelings and no signs of intelligence.

I dont think you need to explain yourself, nor does Noyhauser giving out Macross statistics. Like I said before, its always nice to have. I'm also not questioning Kawamori's intelligence as an engineer and designer but his creation of Valks in an anime universe could very well have a large influence of just his own personal preference... and just to be clear, I'm not saying it is... I'm just say it could be a possibility. So since we'll never know I dont see my opinion being any less valid.

But that's the point AlphaHX, the VF-0 never was a VF-1 prototype. It was a larger, less expensive and more inefficient variable fighter specifically created as a test bed or proof-of-concept craft. They would test various OverTechnologies in craft like the VF-0 before they were refined for inclusion into more streamlined final production models, like the VF-1. In fact, I expect the VF-0 would be larger craft particularly because it required much larger conventional engines to power it, unlike the VF-1's far more powerful and efficient reaction engines.

I think I may understand your "feelings" about the Valkyries. Perhaps you just have an expectation that they grow larger over a linear progression and the VF-0 feels anachronistic to you. Or perhaps it's another reason that skews your interpretation of how the Valkyries should be. Regardless, sizes change over time, even in the real world. I don't think Macross should be any different. Look at the weight of the Valkyries. They start at 13-14 tons, then drop to 8-10 tons then go up at times to 12-13 tons again.

Its not just my "feelings" about Valkyries. I know you didnt mean it offensively but it sounds like I have no basis of reasoning behind my focus of consistency and my view of the VF-0 and my regards of the VF-1. I understand the side of the canon explanation. But at this rate, it seems like as long as theres an official explanation, any suggestions that opposes it will pretty much get bombarded with hostility and canon facts. Why even discuss this if the answer to everything would just to be pointed to the Macross Compendium or another source of canon information? Since I'm assuming people here can be objective and I havent been pointed to Macross Compendium yet, I'll continue to explain myself...

As I said in my other post, our focus of consistency is just different. Thats all. It seems like your focus is on real world comparison. Which imo is extremely valid. I just value more of a consistency between similar aircrafts. The reason why I suggest the VF-1 size to be increased is because I felt it would be consistent (to me) if it was a similar size to the VF-0 and the F-14. My reasoning is that since the F-14 played a heavy influence in how the VF-1 looked which in turn influenced how the VF-0 looked, I feel that theyre in a series of similar aircrafts which logically to me, should be similar in size. I guess I should apologize for using the word prototype. It was the closests word I could find to describe a past influence of the current aircraft.

As far as different sizes go, I have no problem with the VF-5000, VF-4 or any of those other valks to be the size that they are. I never said I wanted all the sizes to be the same. I'm fine with different size aircrafts to meet real world circumstances.

Even if the VF-0 was a prototype, it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the size difference. The VF-0 is a conventional engined fighter the VF-1 is a thermonuclear fighter. the VF-0 has a limited supply of fuel (which it must carry) meaning its got to be much larger than the VF-1 which has no such constraints. The fuel constraints also mean that the fighter needs to be more efficient (read aerodynamic) so that it gets better range. The VF-1 doesn't, it can fly for days on end so its less bothered by such constraints. Only in later fighters does aerodynamics become a greater concern, probably because designers now moved to squeeze every inch of performance when faced with incremental increases in technology.

Moreover its made apparent that the VF-1's engine is much smaller (probably the reason why they needed extra time to perfect it.)

I guess I'll reiterate myself since I feel like I'm getting misunderstood...

First off, once again, I'm not looking for a logical explanation for why theres a size difference.

Second of all, I never said it was wrong, or unexplained, or have no logic to it, or anything along that line so please don't assume I said these things.

Well, hopefully thats pretty clear this time.

Anyways, our focus of consistency is just different, thats all. In my eyes, I see the VF-0 and the VF-1 to be in a series which I would like it to have a consistency of size which imho is significantly different.

I'm not saying theres no good logical explanation... and btw, thank you Noyhauser to point those explanations out. I was actually already aware of the explanations but thank you nevertheless. Any information is always appreciated.

So like I said before, its just odd to me and thats why I suggested it. So please dont misunderstand. Even being fully aware of the explanations I still for one would still like it to be changed. Just an opinion.

I'm sorry if youve heard this topic one too many times but I myself have not participated in such a thread but please dont make it sound as if I personally bring this topic frequently. This is my first time I've brought this up so I'm sorry if this is a beating the dead horse topic.

I was actually fine with it until Macross Zero.

Maybe I should rephrase. I still find it odd that the VF-0 and the VF-1 has such a significant size difference. I'm not looking for some logical explanation for why its a different size. It just urks me when having a VF-0 & VF-1 same scale model or toy side by side. In either battroid or fighter, the VF-0 is imho, significantly bigger.

I guess it urks me more than the other VFs cuz I see the VF-0 as a VF-1 prototype to a certain degree. I just find it odd. To me, its like making the VF-19/22 significantly bigger than the YF-19/21.

The only thing I felt like they couldve changed was the size of the VF-1. I still find it odd that its so much smaller than the other VFs.

Dude, do you have one without the Frontier logo?

Same resolution, just the background image...

Yep.