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.....all love triangle with three women.

You read my mind.

Yeah, he wanted to keep his promise to Claudia even if it was going to be his last one.

to the effect of this topic, I never though Millia kiled him, and I do not know why some people does, maybe they think Millia killed Kakizaki too in DYRL, making her the number 1 support character killer.

I never heard of that project before, looks interesting.

Fits with the motif of the Anti-UN in Macross Zero...

To me Macross Zero has a "prophecy fullfillent" theme, I don´t know if this is what you meant, but the AUN are like the fish humans resenting the bird humans doings, not wanting to leave the ocean into the sky and the whole ascencion thing Shin does, is the final reunion between the first human and his wife the bird humn that left before.

We know the size of the SV-51, right? There is a scene with them being launched from the sub. It'll require a lot of measuring, but it shouldn't be too much work to figure out the size of the sub. The 2nd picture above as the panel lines for the doors that cover the launch tubes, and they can be used to give an approximate length of the forward fins, which can be used to measure the total length in the bridge image a few posts back.

There is no better way of doing this, since there is very little info on the Auerstadt. Do we need someone who owns an SV-51 scale model to do this?

I made this model using the status display on the sub´s bridge, for some reason the ship in that display looks slim, not like the fat ass submarine we see in the floating scene, but once again I think is the same conflict between drawn and CG.

I know that answer!

Duh the Mecha porn fights with the hidden homosexual themes. Look at Macross Plus two strong male Valkyrie pilots shooting each other with their gun pods? They aren't interested in that mushy stuff with Myung more waving gun pod at other pilots is for them.

Then I guess Macross Plus is indeed the Top Gun of Macross, it has the homoerotic stuff.

At least we don´t see a shower scene and half naked, sweaty beach volleyball. Not to mention the moustache.

To me Macross Plus was just OK. Isamu was an "ASS-1 hole", rapist and all Guld was a better character.

The Auerstadt and her escorts.

A very good outside shot.

The ship is very organic, to me it resembles a prehistoric shark, a monster in all the sense.

The model is about 15,000 polys, I try to keep it low for game use.

I had no idea that game existed, it looks great, if that mod happens count me in, totally.

I have a feeling the Octos probably were [unless there were other AUN vessels shown?], man is that the only exterior image of the Auerstadt.

There are some good outside shots of the sub, but that one in the bridge is the only one good enough to use as reference, the others can serve to perfectionate the details.

Some time ago we agreed that the Auerstadt was the "special operations" vessel of a larger AUN force, since it is seen floating with 2 destroyers in chapter 5, and there are some freaky looking Mig-29´s in the last battle. Those facts lead us to think that there was at least one conventional AUN carrier and it´s escorts, operating in the mayan theatre, since only 12 SV-51´s are not enough to take on the Asuka´s battle group.

I haven't seen all of M0 yet, maybe someone has pics of it using it's forward and aft weapon systems, a screen cap hopefully, that is if it actually used them in the show.

Sadly those weapons are not used in the anime. Also we have to consider the Auerstadt as something more than just a submarine aircraft carrier. Following russian philosophy for naval aviation plataforms it may be armed with significant anti-ship weapons and maybe some anti-air, like the Kiev and Kuznetzov, wich are considered heavy aviation cruisers instead of carriers. My guess would be VLS tubes for cruise missiles and sea-skimmers and some torpedo tubes, also we have to consider if the octos were launched from the ship.

Thank you all mateys, for your kind words and appreciation. Sketchley made me see the agreement thing on a different level, thanks man.

To answer Knight26: As you know I was working on the VF-0 too, but I halted it to focus on getting my history degree and to work on the DYRL mod for HomeWorld 2, but I will resume work on it soon. The escort destroyers are almost done, I recently finished a 5" gun for the burkes, the non stealth version used by the flight 1. To make the model final I need a good photoshop tutorial and a game engine to run it

Concerning the Auerstadt. My first intention was to make an Sv-51 and the sub-carrier, I have the greatest admiration for Sukhoi aircraft and russian subs, also it will be easer to complete it as a pack, since there are only 2 vehicles to model and we get a very good lineart from the anime itself, but I fell in love with the Asuka and got carried away

I promess I wil make an Auerstadt model, all I need to know is it´s real size and maybe what kind of conventional weapons it carries and where exactly, if not we can give it typhoon weapons

With some photoshopping this image can be rotated and enlarged to serve as a lineart.

Plus the Auerstadt is far simpler than the Asuka.

I think you may be right that the stats that were published, and therefore presented in the compendium, are based on an earlier design for the carrier and for some reason carried over, probably due to someone not paying attention.

You have explained my point using better words than me. Thanks, This way I dont have to apologize for my cheap english

I have the idea I am seen as the anti-compemdium guy everyones hates, because no one has commented my "possitive" non conflicting findings-statements on the Asuka, like the amphibious launch bay and the sea sparrow, those things are in the anime and not in the compendium.

I think we have to realize that most macross fans are not as hardcore as we are and maybe the information released by the creators to the public aims at the majority that does not want to know wich brand of lipstick Claudia La Salle uses

My point is: if something is not stated by the creators in the macross compendium it does not mean it does not exists and for the last time I am not against the compendium, it just does not have all of the answers.

The Auerstädt doesn't have 20 launch tubes for fighters.

You are right I miscounted them, it has 6 on each side, 12 in total.

Revising the 250-meter class statistic for the Asuka II would be revising the creators' own words. They themselves set the length of the craft as being "small-scale" in the "250-meter class." That's even written in the Volume 4 liner notes. It is deliberately smaller than the biggest carriers today, in fitting with the story setting. Keep in mind that the creators never said it was exactly 250 meters long, just that it is in the "250-meter class."

The Invincible-class carrier is only 194 meters in length, not 250-meter class.

The invincible is 210 meters long and the Charles de Gaulle is 261.5 meters long and I am not contradicting the creators, since there is plenty of evidence in the anime to realize that the Asuka is way longer I just dont know why they stated that crazy length, as I said beore, maybe is the difference between the designs of the Asuka, for more proof of this you can analyze the different masts the carrier has during the anime, one for the CG version and one for the drawn version.

As much as I would like to make 250-280 meters long Asuka, reality forbids me, as I say before is very hard to acomodate 4 catapults and 4 elevators inside and even if I do, as I did during my inicial design stage, the ship would look totally super deformed.

As for the OT gun, I decided to make those 2 bow guns just like they look in the anime, I think we can find out what they really are later.

The bow feels... off somehow. I can't describe it exactly, but it doesn't look quite right.

True, not large errors, but as a site dedicated to the small details...

Maybe is the angle I used and the posittion of the camera, because I have not modified the Asuka 3D model one bit, and now that you mention it, it does look quite elongated.

Agreed on the Compendium stuff. As I have stated earlier (or elsewhere,) the compendium is mostly correct, but it does have errors and inconsistencies. If you want, here are some examples off of the top of my head:

Wrong number of conformally mounted missiles for the VF-4 (claims 6, when there is really 12.)

VF-4, VF-11 and VF-5000 contradict each other re: when which was the main fighter of the UNS.

Inconsistant use of Supervision Army and Inspection Army, when they are one and the same.

True, not large errors, but as a site dedicated to the small details...

That´s why when in doubt one must ask in the Macross World forum

I will continue to post my progress with the Asuka here or in he fan works section wich seems more appropiate.

Well, seeing that this post is dead I will make some clarifications to give it an appropiate conclusion.

First, my infamous contradiction with the macross compendium about the Asuka: As a historian I know that the most dangerous enemy of any research work is what we call "repeating what the source says", I rely on facts and analisys deducted from observation. So even if the compendium is the greatest source, in wich I agree, I beleive what my eyes tell me, so the Asuka has an amphibious launch bay, 2 beam cannons and one sea sparrow launcher, all can be seen in the anime. The issue with the ship´s lenght is a different, the sompeendium says 250 meters aprox. wich would make it smaller that the Charles de Gaulle carrier and just a bit larger than the Invincible VTOL carrier, wich we know it´s absurd, but this statement is not a total mistake, since it may have originated in the concept art of Macross Zero.

In the image above we see 2 versions of the Asuka, the top one has 2 variants, long and short bow, the short one could measure about 250 meters in length, while the long one, able to carry the 2 front catapults was the one used in the OVA´s CG model. I don´t use the drawn model of the ship as reference, since it appears with different features in every shot. The bottom version of the ship is a futuristic catamaran that looks like a carrier and a destroyer welded together, I am happy this concept was not used.

Returning to the debated numbers of beam cannons carried, well the catamaran could explain that too, maybe only one was supposed to be mounted on the destroyer part of the dual hulled ship.

I hope I have cleared the anti-compendium aura I had, I do not hate the compendium I just think that we as macross fans should not be told what to think by following it blindly, having the answer before our eyes.

I leave you with my progress in the Asuka´s texturing.

My innoncent intentions are to use this thing on a flight simulator like Lock On, but my long term objective is to make more models and create a "unification wars" pack, that could be used to start a mod, but I am not sure about wich game engine to use.

Awesome work, I really like that last one about kathy. Of all the Macross Zero girls she is my favorite, even if she is a support character.

Continua así.

This is my VF-0 model, as you can see is still unfinished, mostly because I am having problems with the head articulation (I have no clue how it is) so any pictures, linearts and vidcaps will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

That indeed should be the procedure to fill the gaps of the compendium, still there are some obvious facts that are not included there and should not be labeled as non-canonical just for being absent, like the amphibious bay of the Asuka for example. On the other hand, as you propose, speculation is needed for things that are not evident, like the specific version of the phalanx, details like those are a necessity for games, since each variant of the weapon has different capabilities.

I forgot about the VLS launcher of the Asuka, any suggestions?

Well, I did not dissmissed the compendium entirely, I just said is not 100% reliable, at least for the Asuka entry. I use the compendium a lot, is the first place I go when researching macross stuff, but I trust my common sense first, like in the case of the OT beam cannon and the lenght of the ship. I guess it would be the same if I was building a Noah´s Arc 3D model (I really like the Bible-Compendium analogy ).

I am glad my models are well received, I am open to suggestions in how to use them or improve them.

I am really glad you liked my 3D models, I hope to put them to use soon. good corrections too, do you have more info on the Asuka?

Can I say WTF! ?, I mean what the hell was that? the laser shot in the underparts was funny, taking into account that the demon was naked and had no underparts, anyway, the whole video was surreal.

The Macross Compendium does not state to wich block those phalanxes belong, they are listed here http://un-spacy-qmtdb.com/macross_page/uns...ls/asuka_ii.htm as block 1B and I agree with that, since the Asuka II was a very modern carrier. So I think that you are right with them being prioritized on fast movers or out of ammo.