tankf77

Maybe they should have Mac III?

NEW TRAILER!!! Prepare for awesomeness!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GugClf1Em1M&

Looks good and awesome!! Can't wait for the actual stuff.

It would seem my theory about Alto helping with Sheryl's wound in the first movie was correct.

I may have missed that posting before, but what was your theory?

Oh I get it...

She went out for a morning swim!

"She went out for a morning swim!" - sorry, can you elaborate more??

Biggest question as the cds are available sooner than good quality rips....

Do we have new BGM or is it mashups of the series Kanno score?

Any torrent files out for Macross Frontier movie??

I still can't make out what the sign says...

Is it just a teaser, as in Michael is still alive?

zomg, downloading right now. 1 hour remaining .

Is this a game/movie?

I´ll happily concede that the creators of the show made Alto hard to read. They handled his build-up more subtle than with Sheryl, but IMO it definitely was there.

Well, there is an antidote for it, if it is in the early stages... Sheryls infection was just too advanced to be treated that way. And I still don´t completely buy the V-Type = AIDS analogy. It was never outright stated that it is transmitted by sexual contact. Let´s just agree to disagree here.

Ok man!!

Well, actually I think Alto advanced tons more than Ranka. At the end, Ranka had changed in exactly one aspect: She gained some self-confidence. She *still* has her crush on Alto, she *still* depended on being saved by Alto yet once again. Getting sudden magic hax out of nowhere doesn´t count as character development.

Alto, OTOH, has advanced from the angry, self-doubting young man he was, into a self-confident, mellowed out fellow. He conciliated himself with his actors past ( and his father apparently with his choice to become a pilot ), advanced into being a squadron leader, he accepted Frontier as his home and ( attention, shipping goggles on ) decided to go with one of the girls. Or at least that last should have happened, but SK trolled us hard at the end. I still think that made Michaels death all kinds of pointless...

I´ll refrain from commenting on the stuff from the other posters, seeing how the last argument turned out.

C'mon guys.........there is nothing wrong with an unresolved triangular love....we just need to hammer SK for being so indecisive, that's all!!!

And let's not speculate what is NOT shown regarding Alto and Sheryl, it's just a gimmick by SK and co. to tease our imagination. Whether they did OR not, is really really open to debate. However, I tend to believe that it is impossible since she is infected.

Direct copy paste from 4chan, take it with a bucket of salt.

that's interesting.....Alto sharing his life with Sheryl......blink, blink!!

Alto HAS chosen Sheryl. Ranka's words at the end do translate as "I will try to steal him from you". Good luck (I still hope some enlighted person on Frontier sends her the bill for all she has caused).

your intepretation or word by word translation of the text?

Why shouldn't we? It is obvious for anybody who cares to check for facts.

Well, let's not be antagonistic with each other.........we should direct our frustration to SK and co. for pitting economics over a good ending (for the triangular I mean).

to put it simple, the queen was"hacked" by grace or something like that. The big mistake of grace is that she connect to the queen by the head

I see, which brings Brera to tell Alto that the Vajra thinks with their belly instead of their head. So, severing the head is unlikely to kill the "superqueen" I presume?

Is the "Vajra superqueen" alive in the first place? How can she be controlled by Grace so easily??

Actually no. Quarter's cannon grazed the macross cannon and they let go of the cannon. Frontier's gunship more or less took a direct hit but was damaged rather than completely destroyed. After landing on Vajra homeplanet (which i would like to now call Planet Frontier for ease) their cannons are still intact and has abit of damaged look to it.

Unless of course its a blooper.

Vajra homeplanet = PC home as well?

So unless you somehow think they stayed up all night playing pinochle, then it's pretty clear that the two of them slept together.

IMHO, I don't think that is possible given her condition. Luca already said it is transmitted via bodily fluids, remember? So we can rule that out.

As I said, it is a deliberate ploy by SK to ensure that a "fair" and "just" ending is given to both Asian (Ranka's heritage) and Western (Sheryl's heritage) audience that the triangular love is unresolved. I think it is likely that the movie will not resolve it either, for business reasons of course.

Omae ga... omae-tachi ga...

Omae is a singular you. Omae-tachi is a plural you.

FV

Makes you wonder why Alto switched to plural later on right?? Seems to tie down to why Ranka tells her I won't love to you in song or in love.

Although the triangle love is open to various interpretations, I think the script writers leave enough room for us to know that it was her and not Ranka. C'mon, marketing strategy...this is capitalism!

Also, Sheryl seems to know Alto more when he said that idiot flew to the sky.

The subs are out, this question is answered. Heck, it was answered before the subs came out. The Protoculture revered, and perhaps even worshiped the Vajra. They copied much of what they saw of the Vajra.

So, the "superqueen" is INDEED a Vajra queen and NOT a PC inspired Vajra creation, right? Whereas in M0, the Birdman is really a Vajra inspired PC creation.

And shooting the head of the superqueen ensures her survival but separates Grace from commanding her? I wonder if the superqueen is "alive" in the first place?

The finale seems to bring out more questions regarding PC, Vajra and their related creations.

I liked what Alto say to Sheryl and Ranka "You're my wings both of you", meaning they're both very important to him

Of course we all know the answer to this : ménage à trois !

-Sergorn

but with some qualifiers attached, according to gg fansubs, it went like this, "You (referring to Sheryl).........[before switching to] you're both my wings"

Just to add. The Vajra queen's domain is a spiral shell while the Vahla Ena swirl around the cemetery they enter it.

SO, what about the other queen laying eggs in Gallia4?

There's that.

As I've said in another thread while the Mayan origin story is an analogy of our evolution influenced by the Protoculture.

It does not mean it is the same for the Protoculture. Their animism beliefs involving fold capable species. (The Anima Spiritia?)

The Vajra are their Birdman while Vahl Ena or Space Whales are the Fishman.

While the AHPOS bears a resemblance to the Vajra queen, Zentran warships' organic design aesthetic is reminicent of Space Whales.

On Zola the ancient Ancestor writings on Whale bones in the Whale cemetary indicate the Zolans ancestors revered the Great White Whale as a god who cannot die. Existing for millions of years.

Those ancestral writings and illustration could very well be Protoculture itself recording the Vahl Ena migration.

Also note that the three eyed Zolan snake which is always around a Zolan's neck bears a resemblance to the Vajra larva.

Zolan snakes could be legacy of the Protoculture to the Zolans. Since Zolan snakes are telepathic and inteligent enough to read ancient writing.

Sounds like an interesting hypothesis. Is it canon?

Hi guys, I have great reservations that the "Vajra superqueen" is really their queen in the first place. It looks like a PC based APHOS. Of course, it doesn't seem to make much sense because if it is PC based, how can it control the Vajra? On the other hand, if it is Vajra, how can it be "piloted" by Grace. Any takers??

I have a silly question, what's Macross 11 doing around the region and why were they attacked?

...is that after 25 years of Macross, this is the best they could do? Just 25 episodes? Man, that is sad!

I hate to agree with you........but I feel the same. Only 25 episodes!!

The only major element I have left out is Sheryl because I really don't have any idea of what will happen to her.

Taksraven

She will be healed by Ranka, the new Vajra queen and will tag along with Alto-hime and both shall live happily ever after!!

Probably from Macross 7 since they have plenty of Guantanamo class carriers, and maybe the mystery person is Basara after all.

nah....

most likely Minmei (ducks from eggs thrown at him) or Sara (ducks from cabbages thrown at him)