Kamjin 639

More doesn't equal better, and I'd honestly rather not have a point in the future where I look at Macross and see something that has stretched so far into the future beyond the original...

I agree and disagree. While I would certainly love to see the next series "Hikaru and Misa: The Megaroad Chronicles," the fact is that it would never work. (Maybe a manga...hmm...are you listening, Mikimoto?) A new Macross needs to be detached from the original. Why?--Because its been broken for a VERY long time. If, for instance, Gundam had gone for fifteen years without a Universal Century series, by the time that they made a new one, not too many people would have paid attention, barring the olden hardcore fans.

Lets face it: We're hardcore fans. That's why we're here. We would probably love a sequel directly to the original story. But it wouldn't work; there wouldn't be enough fandom for it. This is why Macross needs a new direction--because its no longer plausible to look back and make a successful series. My suggestion for a director aside from Kawamori was not malicious, but let's face it: He might be too old-school for the new fans. Kawamori IS Macross as far as I'm concerned, but in the end, that might be his downfall.

I would certainly not mind if Kawamori "pulled a Hajime Yatate" and co-directed/wrote the next Macross story. Don't throw an excellent man aside; simply make room...there's a new flight to be taken, and Macross needs a new co-pilot to succeed in today's world of animation.

[sorry! You beat me to the post!]

VALKYRIES:

The Metal Siren Valkyrie, VF-2, and CV (Civilian Valkyrie) totally have their bases in Macross II, and as far as I know, have never appeared in any other shows.

MECHA:

All of the Zentraedi mecha shown in Macross II is pretty much specific to the show, as the Zentraedi therein possess mecha specially made for them by the Marduk. As is such, all of the Marduk mecha are exclusive to the show. The language translator used by Ishtar is specific to Macross II, and I believe that a lot of stuff in Hibiki Kanzaki's room (like the television and toaster) are also mecha that don't appear in any other Macross story.

FROATING HEAD:

The head is a reference to Shoji Kawamori, and thus, has absolutely nothing to do with Macross II. Pity.

the macross universe is huge, I see no reason why they need to stick to the original cast of characters, lets move on.

...and I think that Kawamori would completely agree with you!

Pretty much, Macross has been travelling the path of the lone wolf for the past twenty years. Flashback 2012 was the swan-song of the original Macross series, and since then, those in charge have pretty much said that Macross is going to travel in a lot of different directions. So, while it may have been possible to see a sequel to the original series long ago, I think that, (without sounding condescending) the damage is done, and so, the show must go on.

With that in mind, I really don't know how much longer Shoji Kawamori should stick around. Shoot me; I don't bleed. X) Indeed, Kawamori tells a good story, but we've gotta think that there's only so much a single man can do, and unfortunately, it always seems that, when people are looking for new Macross ideas, Kawamori's the only one to talk to. I cite Macross 7 Trash as an instance of a solid story built upon Macross, but not told my Kawamori. Now, make no mistake, I have all respect for Mr. Kawamori, but the fact is that, through his Macross stories, you can almost guess that he was a fighter-plane otaku before he began his directing career...And that's just fine, but if we want something that takes Macross in a bold new direction, I just don't see it coming from him.

They needed every hand they could get, so they weren't really in a position to turn good pilots away because they didn't have perfect eyesight.

...Not to mention that Max probably got ranked off of the scale in virtual Valkyrie runs. I always wondered if some enterprising young Corporal or something found Max playing Battroid Attack! and kinda, you know, 'slipped him the idea' that he should try out for being a pilot. Needless to say, glasses or no glasses, I don't think that a pilot of Max's caliber would have been turned away from the Spacy--it could have been that he was a one-time exception due to his skills, and what skills they were!

I just wanna give a thumbs-up to everybody that's helped in this thread. While I didn't KNOW that I needed some things cleared-up, it certainly helps to hear an intelligent discussion such as this with regards to ranking systems...like how Focker was given as a Lieutenant Commander in the television show, and then poof! they refer to him as Major (actually seen in the animation on his cockpit display) in "Do You Remember Love?"--Excellent. Thank you.

Ohmigosh, that's cruel. Don't bash Minmei!

Though, if I had to strike one of 'em with a wooden chair, you know it would be Mylene, because her "Mylene Jenius Sings Lynn-Minmay" album was sacreligious (except for her own song at the end!)

I'm from Northern California, in the United States of America.

Too bad all of the good conventions are in Southern California, huh? Ah well. You guys are lucky...which brings to mention that it seems like Calfornia is probably the only state which could seriously (and usually does) get separated into two during regular conversation.

Actually, I'm kinda thinkin' of the 'treatment' for A.D.D. in South Park...

That reminds me of how the gym teacher acted in the movie version of AKIRA:

"Discipline!" *slap*

"Discipline!!" *slap*

"Discipline!!!" *slap*

"Discipline!!!!" *slap*

"DISMISSED!"

That kid needed discipline, alright. And school is in session.

"Arigato gozaimashita!"

Damn straight.

I think that we should try some of our own--this thread could get built-on and hopefully go for a while.

I'm not going for absolute greatness, but here's a couple of mine:

P: Gerwalk lever broken

S: Battloid lever modified to only go down half-way

P: Thrusters minimally responsive

S: Gave thrusters some encouragement

P: Gunpod jammed

S: Added peanut butter for good measure

P: Too much air pressurising in space

S: Poked hole in overhead canopy

P: Sound Packs not loud enough

S: No action taken

I know that the legalities regarding Macross are finely-woven, but I was always with the gross understanding that Big West had the legal rights to all things included in Macross, as the series was of their design. Tatsunoko held no rights to it because, even though they were the principal animators of the series, their job was of a "service contract" in which Big West essentially paid them to animate THEIR series.

Correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Of course, if Tatsunoko held rights to it, then Big West would have to "give some of Macross" to all of the other studios that animated it, and you know there's a 'Friend' who's gonna be looking for some of that action!

I also tend to prefere the characters out of their 'glam rock' costumes and in more realistic attire, but that's simply my personal preference.

You mean Mylene Jenius doesn't walk down City 7's streets with a red one-piece outfit that rides up on her in all the right ways?

Hopefully, you won't have to see the kid again.

Actually, (and I don't mean this sadistically) I hope that you do get to see this kid again. It will be either very good or very bad...

Option 1: The Good

"So, did you have a good time watching those DVDs I gave you?"

"Oh yeah! It was SuperUltraMegaCoolness! Can you tell me about how the planes transform and about the aliens?"

*big grin before storytime*

Option 2: The Bad

"So, did you have a good time watching those DVDs I gave you?"

"Huh?"

*big grin before beatdowntime*

I'd still like to see Mac7 get a DYRL? style movie treatment, just for fun...

That really would be awesome, especially if they used the even-slightly-higher quality of animation that was displayed in the opening sequence for Dynamite. And though I could easily love Haruhiko Mikimoto's style of drawing Mylene, Basara, and even Veffidas, I gotta wonder what Ray Lovelock would look like coming off of his pen. Hmm...

Again, I do agree that it seems HG went out of their way to redesign the Macross characters for their Robotech counterparts' appearances in Sentinels (though I believe some VF-1 Valkyries do show up somewhere in the animation, I might be misremembering that though).

Although it could be interpreted as Harmony Gold covering their own butts from prosecution, I really think that, if you look at The Sentinels, the characters are SO changed that one couldn't really argue to the contrary. (Though I always found it interesting to think of Max's look in The Sentinels juxtaposed with his look in Macross 7...)

Oh, and about the VF-1?--The original Valkyrie series never showed-up in The Sentinels animation, only the Alpha-Beta/Legioss-Tread series. Hmm...Kinda gives notice once again to the idea that Harmony Gold had worked to use the material (at least in animation) to which they hold rights, and not challenge mighty Big West to a legal duel.

I know how you all feel about Macross 7's music getting stuck in your head! If I remember correctly, it felt like I was gonna open-up a can of whoop-Valk on my DVD player after I heard "Planet Dance" for like, the tenth time in three episodes.

But make no mistake, I love Macross 7!

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"...Beato wo kanjiru kai!"

have access to Macross II RPG as well, is that hard to find at all?

If you're talking about the Macross II RPG that was done by Palladium Books, then I'm sorry to say, no. Its out-of-print now, but its not EXTREMELY difficult to find, provided that you look around for it. I know--I've owned two.

It only grossed about 50 million and cost over 100 million to produce.

That movie cost HOW MUCH to produce? Seriously, the visuals were cool, and honestly, I loved the way they looked, but a hundred mil? That's crazy; they must have been paying the teen-movie actors way more than a regular movie...

Isn't Millia's number 639?

Indeed. Have I not already said and displayed that I am not ignorant of Macross?--Don't push that number stuff on me 'cause you get some idea that I'm a fool-poseur Macross fan.

Read the signature, please.

Hey, what happened? Why does Kamjin_Prime appear "Unregistered" now? Did HG get him??

Suffice it to say that, amongst other things, the intolerant fandom around here forced me to change my name.

A way to sell more kits.

Thanks for the insights. I can tell that you really thought that one through. Don't be a hater.

Sorry--it was a gross generalisation thrown out with regard to the graphics. (Y'know, the whole after-playing-PS2-Macross-the-others-seem-plehbian effect.) Yeah, I know that DYRL? had some awesome sprites, but again, I haven't even played the computer game that you're talking about and don't intend to, so I merely meant a comment based on the single screenshot the page holds.

Wow! I mean, I know (because I said it myself) that Minmay is the hottest musical artist in known existence at the time, but for the U.N. Spacy to dedicate a certain amount of Valkyries exclusively to protect her...well, one has to wonder what kind of vested-interest they have in her singing (hint hint, Propaganda).

But as for the concert dates on Earth? Hmm...Well, I suppose that with the multi-playing of Minmay's fate at the end of Flashback 2012, either way is possible. I just kinda figured that most people believe that she went with the Megaroad-01, which would be contrary to what this model company's turning out. Then again, if you completely *ignore* the tour dates, the Megaroad-01 might have been equipped with a Minmay Guard squadron...

Looks like some sort of fan-made game.

Based on that one screen shot, its sad that it looks awfully close to DYRL? for Saturn or RT: The Macross Saga for Game Boy Advance.

The Daedelus arm was destroyed by Kamjin's ramming attempt in the last episode, don't think the Prometheus was though...

What would have been interesting would be if they decided to replace the destroyed Daedelus cruiser with an ARMD vessel and leave/restore the Prometheus! Totally blows the symmetry of the ship, though, but it would like, you know, give the tourists a trip down memory lane, old-meets-new technology kind of stuff.

Welcome, and thanks for the tips. Maybe this thing could really help me in welding my Destroid missle launchers to the beat-up, hardly-salvagable Quadluun-Rau I've got sitting in a box. I've been wanting to do it for forever...

Konichiwa until next time? Uh, yeah, sure...

Ja né!