RTShark

Now correct me if I'm wrong as I wasn't really active in this stuff the last time this happened, but the order of events was basically HG giving the C&D...

Some retailers asking HG for proof of their claims before complying and then refusing to comply when HG didn't back up their claim...

Is this about right (albeit a short-short version)?

I really dislike the Yamato stand, so I can't see getting one at all.

I guess in theory it's neat to have a stand that I'm assuming is based on the launching arms we saw in DYRL, but I just think it looks silly.

I'd get two of the 3 arm stands that VEX and TMP have for the same price if I were going to get a stand.

As to the VF-0...

I'll want to see a review before I commit, but I have a feeling I'll want one.

Early days they reportedly had problems with getting it to return to liquid state, that the shock of a hit "locked" it solid, wonder if they licked that...

Sounds like it:

"If you relieve the stress it goes back to a liquid," Wagner said. "It's a very interesting material in that way."

thank you RTShark, i sensed some fire i those words. 

Maybe just a little.

I just notice how anyone who says anything bad about the MPC must not have a valid reason for disliking it... At least that's the impression I get from certain posts.

the sad part is, that was the first valk i got since i was a little kid and i didn't even play with it.  from the minute i removed it from the box i knew i had gotten ripped off.  sorry if the MPC isn't my bag but thats my opinion.

Yeah. Me too. I was really excited when I first got it. But that high sunk pretty fast after I opened it. This was before I knew about Yamato so it did get shelf time for a while until I discovered the 1/60s, and then later the 1/48.

More recently I sold it to a friend of mine for cheap. He got quite a deal for the Valk + Fast pack so I don't feel too guilty.

back to the topic at hand....

it seems there is no logically explaination for this happening to the valk?  plastic clam shell, enclosed case, plastic bag, cardboard box, in a closet, not near a window or any sunlight.  there is no reason for this?  other than toynami uses crappy materials or theres some kind of weird stuff lurking in my closets. 

It just happens. There seem to be some things that might speed it up or slow it down, but from my experience there is no hard and fast rule for exact causes and how quickly or slowly it happens.

My Toynami was a Max so there really wasn't anything to yellow. (Oh, and I definitely agree that the plastic feels really cheap and not good).

Odd note that my eighties Bandai Skull-one was fine for a long time. I bought it in the mid 90s and kept it displayed for a while. Last year put it in a box of stuff in the basement (dark and dry) with plastic garbage bags over the whole box to keep moisture out (it's dry down there, but I wasn't taking chances), I took it out a few months ago and it had started to yellow. Went about 17 years with no hint of yellowing and then started all of a sudden. It's not bad, but definitely noticeable.

Love the Quead-Rau (hope they make the Nousjadeul-Ger and other mecha at 1/60). Sure the 1/48´s are geat, I have them with Fast Packs (not the whole line), but there´s something special about the 1/60 line (I´m among the few ones that like the proportions better than those of the 1/48, specially around the nose and cockpit area).

1/60 is the most complete line, great weight and a pretty good size!

Bah, just my 0,02 cents.

Hey it's all good.

I love the 1/48 as much as the next guy, but that doesn't mean I can't still appreciate the 1/60.

I actually like the 1/48s fighter mode better than the 1/60s but there's something about the 1/60's Battloid that I really like. (and true perfect transformation? bah! No such thing! I never had a problem with the 1/60s legs. I'd rather have that design on a cool fig like the 1/60 than a "perfect" change on a bad design like the MPC).

Now as to completed sets (heh), I only have one of each... a 1/48 Hikaru 1J and a 1/60 Skull-one.

Ideally I could see getting maybe one more 1/48 and one or two more 1/60s as well as some enemy mecha depending on which ones they do.

I finde it strange how you took such great lengths to take care of it and keep it in the best condition possible...But its crap right? I think you had to justafy the fact of having a MCP by still being cool and saying its crap.

Well how else would he have *known* it was crap if he didn't own one?

I guess if someone doesn't like the MPC they just can't win. If they don't own one they get ragged for talking about it without really knowing. If they do own one they get ragged because they must just be putting it down to be cool.

I sold mine. I did own it, but don't anymore. Am I allowed to rag on it?

Would parts from a 1/60 Roy VF-1S Strike work? I need to know if there is even enough demand to warrent me buying a new 1/60 and parting it. I don't have a single 1/60 at all now.

I might be interested in some parts for this, if it ends up happening. Specifically, both legs and the little pilot figure and *maybe* both arms. It would absolutely have to be a Roy VF-1S, though for me to be interested.

RTShark, your parts will be parted soon since it will come from two Valkyries and Dancouger will get dibs on both L-L1 / L2 and R-L1/L2.

No problem. I'm a patient man.

Of course, he might have been referring to the internal combustion engines being able to work without oxygen ngine might still need something to push against in order to operate (which it would have in the water, but not in space).

Key word there is combustion.

It HAS to have a source of oxygen, either internal or external.

Well yeah.

I worded that clumsily.

If it being able to work underwater (or hypothetically, in space) is due to it maybe storing a small amount of oxygen somewhere to keep the engine going...

i.e., if it operating underwater (or in a vacuum) is *not* dependent on having oxygen to keep the combustion going, it *still* needs something to push against. Jet engines work by moving air, and the VF-0 was equipped with jet engines, afaik.

Edgar in episode 3 says so...

That's debatable I think.

I think what he actually said was that it was capable of operating without an atmosphere for a short period of time. (I'll need to watch the episode again).

Of course, he might have been referring to the internal combustion engines being able to work without oxygen ngine might still need something to push against in order to operate (which it would have in the water, but not in space).

Jet engines don't work in space.

Anyway. *IF* the VF-0 is space capable at all, it shouldn't be capable of sustained flight of anything more than a few minutes I would think.

Well. . . that and the fact that the TV series had 18 hours in which to tell their story. . . vs two.

Which is a lot of the reason I think I prefer the series. The story in DYRL felt rushed. So much was glossed over or just not touched on at all. A lot of characterization was just missing. If I hadn't seen the series a lot of these characters would have been cardboard.

Now I understand that a movie has much less time to tell it's story than a series of short episodes. 18 hours versus 2 as you say, but that's why movie style storytelling is *different* than series style storytelling and why, IMO, jamming most of the Macross story as it was into 2 hours just didn't work.

But one can read into things too much.  I think everything that is in DYRL is also in SDF Macross.  The latter just had the time to actually be subtle about it all.

Agree completely here.

I see it as the "preferred" way of telling the events of Macross...

I just saw it recently for the first time and while I like the superior animation I think I'd prefer the story of the original series over the story in DYRL.

Of course all I've seen so far of the original series is Robotech:TMS and a handful of actual SDF:Macross episodes but it's enough to make the call, IMO.

Really was not impressed at all with DYRL, except for the animation.

It just felt really rushed and like they were trying to fit a whole lot of story into not enough room.

the scale of microman/naught figures. Then again, isn't the VF-1 smaller than the F-14? If so, then it shouldn't be too bad in comparison to the Sky Striker.

VF-1 is quite a bit smaller than an F-14.

I don't have exact numbers handy but a VF-1 is approximately 40 feet long and an F-14 is approximately 60 feet long.

well i have to say the Valk with the red flames is pretty cool once you realise that its suposed to resembel a samuri, ala the Feathers on the back being swords and that headcreast thinger, either way Feathers = gay, they shoulda used Flag like things or somethin, but it would be a pretty cool custom if done right.

Didn't Samurai wear their daisho on their hip?

I could see the feathers representing a sashimono but not a daisho...

Starfury from Bab 5 - Not so much for its looks as for the fact that they at least tried to make it move like a space fighter would.

I've gotta agree here. Though I like the Thunderbolt design a little better.

It's possibly the only Starfighter design I've seen that actually looks like it was designed to operate well in space and is shown acting in a physically realistic manner for something that's working in space.

RT Shark, that proves nothing. There are very few SC fans even on rt.com. I know from my experiences that many people who remember RT, remember the 3rd series, and a

Well that was kinda my point. It doesn't prove anything.

As for the Alpha...

Demand is not as high for the Alpha as it is for the VF-1, I can guarantee that by a long shot.

There is some demand for it, yes. But enough to sell out the stock that Toynami produces with enough demand to make for aftermarket increases in the short term? I don't think that's likely.

Enough demand for it to retain it's value in the aftermarket? Possible, but who knows.

There is also the issue of Toynami having bad press to overcome as there was a lot of bad blood generated over the lack of quality in the MPC VF-1 line, a line that, for it's price had far too many issues.

If Toynami sells out the Alphas and they all sell for mucho bucks on Ebay, more power to them. I'm not buying, though.

And I *like* the Alpha.

RTShark put it best - the plan is quite simple.  Wait for Vol. 1 to come out, see what's good and bad about the toy, then just watch the prices...  if it gets fantastic reviews and stays full price, good for Toynami.

But I seriously doubt it.

I'm with you on this one.

I'm not really willing to give Toynami a second chance without some pretty good indications that it's worth it.

After all the MPC VF-1 seemed really good until I actually got one into my hands.

I stand by what I've said... If I can get an Alpha cheap and it gets decent reviews then I'll get one. I really don't see buying one for anything more than half off list unless it gets absolutely amazing reviews. It would have to get multiple Harry Knowles orgasmic type reviews for me to even consider paying full price for it.

And even then I'd still wait and see to find out where the price went.

Like I said, I like the Green one, which I think is number three so I've got plenty of time to see how the first ones do.

Not that many MOSPEADA fans??? I know there are many, many here, and on rt.com as well.

But then, there are Southern Cross fans on rt.com also, so really, what does this prove?

"square pieces that fit inside the leg that attaches the leg to the hip. It’s the same piece that can be taken apart and holds the rubber piece inside." - RTShark

Like I said in the PM and to avoid confusion caused by my descriptions, the official name for these two parts are BD2 and BD3.

That is all.

Carry on.

Well...

I just had a thought.

If there is anyone out there who wants the Max or Millia VF *without* the FP, perhaps we could come to an arrangement.

You get the Valk, I'll take the FP. I have no interest in the box at all so whatever you'd want to do with that would be fine. Whoever got the Valk could keep the sticker sheet as well as I would just buy one from Takatoku anyway.

My interest in this hinges primarily on being able to get the FP cheaper this way than I could buy the DYRL style FP for individually.

If anyone is interested in doing this, please consider what you think would be a fair cost split and PM me.

Thanks.

EDIT: Added note about stickers.

Awesome work!

Any chance of Gerwalk pics?

I think I'd pass on something like that.

I love my 1/48 and bigger is cooler, but only to a point. To me the extra detail that could be fit on a (say 1/24?) VF would not be a big enough difference to warrant the extra cost involved.

For me the 1/48 is a great compromise between model and toy, because it's about as detailed a model as I could make from a kit but still durable and solid like a toy. I don't think I need anything beyond that.

The one selling point for me is that it'd be cool to see the custom work that could be done on something like that. But as I said, I wouldn't buy one.

But I don't want the same thing happening with the Alpha cuz that would really piss me off if I'm waiting for the price to go down. What to do. What to do.

Well, the answer is easy unless you're a completist or want the first one that comes out (the Blue Stick one if I recall).

If you want the first one you're kinda stuck. If you wait, hoping to get it cheaper later, you may end up paying more for it later.

If you want one of the later ones you can relax a little and see what happens with the first one. If the first one sells out quickly, then you know to jump on early for whichever one you want. If the first one languishes then you know to wait on the others.

Personally I like the green one, so I'll wait and see how the first one does... I refuse to pay full price for it, (even if it does turn out to be worth it I don't feel like doing Toynami any favors after the MPC)... If I can get it cheaper later, great. If not, then I don't need one.

Haven't seen the DYRL? yet? Dude, ya have to----it's like a right-of-passage!! Plenty of cheap bootlegs out there anyway, so not to worry! As for ranks and numbers, well let's just say that ya came to the right place, coz when it comes to anything and everything MACROSS, we have all the pros-- right guys?!!!     

I'll have to second that.

I've been lurking here for maybe 3 or 4 months, posting for a couple and I've been educated very thoroughly in a lot of things I didn't know much about before.

I haven't seen DYRL yet either, but I have a copy coming in the mail soon. The "Perfect" Edition even, which from what I read seems to be the one to get. I actually saw the Clash of the Bionoids version a long time ago, but I remember almost nothing about it, which is probably for the best.

Anyway, before coming here I had only seen Robotech (all of it), and a handful of episodes of the original SDF:Macross (I have a couple of the Perfect Collection tapes from the 90s that featured two episodes of Robotech and the same two episodes of the original series), and Macross Plus.

I still haven't got a copy of the SDF:Macross series, that'll probably have to wait until fall or winter (getting married this summer, so money's a little tight), but I have obtained the first three episodes of Macross Zero, which I wouldn't have even heard of if I hadn't been frequenting these boards and the ones over at Twin Moons.

Anyway. Keep up the good work... you're all doing a great job for the uninformed newbies that come in here.

i'm still confused why its a 1j, why its 101 and why the numbers are in weird spots, and how that makes it a "purists" valk?

It is all different from the show, which is why he said it's *not* a purists Valk.

Basically he made it the way he did because he wanted it to reflect real world patterns more than the show version did.

And I guess the 1J just because he likes it (I agree! 1J rocks!)

My take on it would be that I maybuy one or two items here and there.

The ones that would have the best chance at my attention are Macross Plus and Macross Zero Valks and enemy Mecha of any type.

I do have to say though, the the fans who post here, in general, represent the hardcore. While I could see Yamato producing VFs from the various Macross spin-offs, I doubt they'd get the level of sales with those units that they do with the more well known VF-1s. Every fan of Macross who wants a VF will start with a VF-1 and then only the more hardcore will continue with the others.

All I've got so far is VF-1s (one Yammie 1/60 and 1/48 and an old Bandai 1/55) and while I am interested in M+ mecha and enemy mecha I have yet to buy anything but VF-1s. But then, as I've said in other posts, toy collecting is only one of several potentially expensive hobbies I have so I've gotta really pick and choose what I buy.