Aladdin Sane

One interesting thing he emphasized was that HG can use ANY Macross designs in future productions. His only example was the use of the VF-1 Strike canon on the toys. When the girl who asked the question had him clarify, Tommy said even the character designs could be used in future animation though they changed them in Sentinels and Shadow Chronicles so that they would have a chance of selling Robotech in Japan. Wonder if anyone in Japan has even watched the original Robotech?

So he's outright lying now instead of just being vague and misleading? Huh.

Yeah, I find it wrong that english speaking fans categorize the term like that. The same with manga,manhwa and manhua. What do you think they call comics in their own language?

I'm generally against segregating anime and manga from the larger cartoon and comic mediums as it just doesn't make sense to me to go "Okay, this stuff is from Japan, so it's anime/manga but all that stuff from America, all the different European countries, Australia and whereever else? You're all lumped into the one category together" (though I guess you could argue that there's more similarities between, say, American and English comics than between either of those and Japanese comics, especially given that two of the more prolific writers in American comics for the last twenty years, Alan Moore and Grant Morrison, are English and Scottish respectively) but the western colloquialism of "anime" being "stuff from Japan" has kind of stuck now and it's, ultimately, easier to go with the flow.

And when, in the case of R:TSC, such a deal is made of calling it "anime" rather than just "animation" or "a cartoon" I feel the people doing so are trying to make a particular point.

Kinda irrelevant to the current topic of discussion, but could somebody explain to me why Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles is considered anime? I mean I know the franchise has its roots in anime, and that the new material takes its visual style from anime, but it was written, directed, produced, voiced and scored in America and animated in Korea. Apart, perhaps, from some early consultation with Tatsunoko nobody from Japan was involved with the project at any time in development. It's no more anime than The Simpsons.

I dunno, I guess it's ultimately irrelevant and probably kinda pedantic of me to pick up on this kind of thing but it's like when you see someone talking about Wakfu or something and calling it "a French anime". Well no, it's not. Anime is, by definition, Japanese animation and if something isn't from Japan then, well, it's not anime.

I've asked this question before, but it bears repeating: Why is it that I know more about Robotech than the Robotech fanboys do?

Because being a Robotech fan has very little to do with liking or being knowledgeable about the franchise.

Not really, no... I think "horrific" and "downright disgusting" would probably be better words to describe a nightmare scenario like that.

Well yeah, from our perspective as Macross fans or to other people that generally have a bit of taste you're right, but it'd be interesting to see the reactions from the hardcore Robotech tribe that have insisted that everything that came after SDF Macross was rubbish once such things get incorporated into Robotech (though, really, I suppose it wouldn't go much further than "Well yeah, but they made them better now so it's alright").

Of course, Tommy would probably poo out a kidney trying to find a way to fit Macross Zero into the his rebooted Robotech continuity (the "Yune-iverse"), since that'd require scrapping most of the new Wildstorm comics to accommodate the new origins of the VF-1, effectively losing much of the continuity reboot material in the process.

Yeah, that's the other angle I was looking at it from. Robotech fans in general hate the slightest change to the status quo, imagine what this kind of upheaval would do to them.

I suppose "funny" wasn't really the best way to put it, "a fascinating trainwreck" might have been more appropriate.

Wouldn't it be funny if they managed to get the international licences for DYRL? and Mac Zero and pumped out dubs of said products as Robotech The Movie: Memories of Love and War and Robotech: 0rigins or whatever, looking to fill gaps in their production left by Shadow Rising and the LAME, using a tagline along the lines of "Celebrating 25 Years of Robotech by taking you back to the beginning and beyond" or whatever.

I was tempted to mock up some posters or trailers as if the above paragraph were actually happening and seeing if MEMO and friends would fall for it as "leaked materials" but I'm, ultimately, entirely too lazy.

This is my first real post here but I've been reading for years. I just got into another "discussion" with Kevin McKeever about how I think he's a liar regarding anything Robotech related. I always have to come here after posting at the Robotech site to remind myself why they annoy me so much over there.

I think I know how this is going to end...

Why the hell does it look like that Dalek is dressed up like a soldier though?? Even with a canteen??

Taksraven

Haha. Y'know, I hadn't really noticed that.

Well as far as I know it's set in World War 2, though I don't know why that'd necessitate Daleks with webbing. I don't imagine it'd be all that useful with those plungers.

Happy Who Year!

http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2010/01/201...es-trailer.html

Was always going to be looking at Doc Eleven with an open mind without jumping to conclusions, but based on his little bit in TEoT2 and this trailer I think The Moff could be onto a winner.

Shades of Ace and her baseball bat in Rememberance? Fantastic.

The logical conclusion would be Final Fantasy VII remake. It could really use it given the terrible early-3D mish mash graphics and terrible translation ("This guy are sick!"). Though it could just as easily be Kingdom Hearts 3.

The World Ends With You 2 would be what I'd want if I could specifically request anything from Nomura and Friends at Squeenix.

I thought that Yune would have signed off with "Death to the Macross Purists!!" or "May the seed of your Protoculture flower be fruitful in the belly of your woman!!"

Taksraven

I dunno about that "Death to Macross purists" bit, given that some of the Robotech comics he scripted had plenty of references to "Kai Fun" and "Shao [Pai] Long".

Perhaps Mr. Yune is a frustrated Macross fan heading the Robotech franchise in order to, in a roundabout way, work on what really interests him.

Now all we need to do is figure out what Dolzaa meant when he saw Rick and Lisa kissing and exclaimed, "This must be the result of Protoculture!"

Well in the novelisations, dried petals of the Flower of Life are used as an intoxicant. I guess he just figured Rick and Lisa must've been hopped up on Protoculture leaves in order to do such a thing.

How do the American fans react to those edits. Does anyone try to justify them and explain them away, or do they all ignore them when they find out the truth?

They joke about it, complain about edits made in the dub, etc. Though, at the risk of sounding like someone trying to justify them, they're not really comparable to Robotech and stuff like the SDF-2; they're euphamizing things that "aren't suitable for children's television", not adding extraneously to the plot or contradicting the original story.

Actually, better examples from the Dragonball Z dub could include Vegeta telling Goku that his father was "a brilliant scientist", Tenshinhan saying he can regrow the arm he loses in the battle against Nappa, or Tao Pai Pai being a General in the Red Ribbon Army. They're all the subject of jokes and/or ridicule by fandom, nobody treats them seriously or tries to defend them.

Oh god yes, Jonathan Wolfe and Thomas Riley "T.R." Edwards are by far the worst cases of "Boba Fett syndrome" in Robotech... ironically enough, the chief sufferer of that tragic syndrome used "Colonel Jonathan Wolff" as his handle on the Robotech.com message boards.

Robotech's "expanded universe" also seems to be prone to the "coincidentally, everyone important in the story knew everyone else beforehand" kind of thing. I read the Love & War miniseries for the first time the other week (my first proper foray into Robotech comics outside of PtTSC) and we learn there that Max and Ben were, of course, the best of childhood friends before the events of the series and when they enlisted in the RDF they happened to be instructed by none other than the aforementioned Mr. Wolfe.

Before the new Star Wars trilogy, I guess we could've called this sort of thing "Boba Fett syndrome", where fans are compelled to try and make every minor character with a handful of lines into a sophisticated character with an immense backstory.

Two words that pretty much sum up "Boba Fett syndrome" in Robotech to a tee: Jonathon Wolfe.

OK, I will admit that I am stupid. Its the second time that robot has turned up in this thread in the last few weeks, whats it from??

Taksraven

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

It's pretty much the best thing since the best thing since sliced bread.

There are no words to adequately describe how much I hate myself right now.

There was also, much more recently, American Beauty in terms of mainstream, award-winning films to feature underage nudity. Thora Birch was only 16 when she did the topless scene in it, though I guess it doesn't count if you lesson to certain people given that she probably looks a couple years older than she was.

LOL. Some people still do that about the Sylvester McCoy seasons of Dr Who.

Taksraven

Weak shot . There's a lot of rubbish in Sylv's run as the Doctor, but there's some good stuff in there too. Remembrance of the Daleks, The Greatest Show in the Galaxy, The Curse of Fenric and Survival are all good stories and even some of the bad stuff, like The Happiness Patrol, had some interesting concepts that unfortunately fell short when it came to the execution.

It's certainly far from being the best in the series, but it has a lot more going for it than Robotech ever did.

Oh, I would love to see The Robotech Christmas Special. It would have a family of Zentraedi trying to celebrate "Cloning Day".

"How the Invid Stole Christimas" would follow the misadventures of Zor, Breetai, Exedore and a Tirolian muse thing as they chase after the Regess, hoping to retreive a stolen Christmas tree. A misjudged Fold leads to them arriving on early Earth, where they spread the joy of the Tirolian tradition of Christmas.

Plus Admiral Rick Hunter is in it I guess, 'cause you won't get the fans in without him.

I understand the point of letting people be who they are, allowing their points of view and not lowering ourselves to the RT.com/RTX level but the thing with MEMO is that he's a broken record. A deluded, broken record that has taken on a meaning of it's own independent of the original recording artist. Or maybe it's not ENTIRELY removed from the intended message, just taking the original message and extrapolating it to the extreme, ultimately corrupting it.

We all know Big West owns the IP rights to Macross, yet Memo has the idea in his head that said rights are only relevant in Japan and that Tatsunoko own the IP rights to Macross as it relates to the rest of the world. This is the message that he spreads. Even quotes from the holy father of Robotech himself, Carl Macek, are being twisted and broken by MEMO and his partner in crime, MaverickLSC to completely misrepresent their original intention. Macek says: "We couldn't use the original designs". Sounds simple, right? HG's licencing partner, Tatsunoko, don't own the actual rights to create derivative works based on Macross so Rick, Lisa et al needed to be reworked for stuff like Sentinels to be legally released. Yet they're forcing words into his mouth, talking about how this simple quote somehow implies that the evolving aesthetic of the show necessitated the designs to be more reminiscent of Southern Cross.

MEMO is purposefully obfuscating the truth, constantly regurgitating things that simply aren't true. I don't want to hold personal grudges or doubt particular individuals, but I wouldn't trust MEMO as far as I could throw him, and throwing him even the slightest distance would have to be some kind of Herculean poo given the distance between Australia and America.

That's kind of a personal question, and I don't know you well enough to feel comfortable in answering it.

Well I don't suppose it can be too big if there's been years worth of debate on where it was exactly.

And I can see the SDF-2 from my house!

Well sure, but the important thing now that we've settled on its location is: how long is it?

Actually, I think we've got a schism brewing...the Setoites versus the Petians.

Seto promises booze, Macross II, and rigorous fact-checking. Pete promises booze, Macross 7, and panties.

What about Fundamentalist Macrossism, worshiping only the original sacred text of Super Dimension Fortress Macross?

Do not trust Do You Remember Love?! It is a tool of the devil, a corrupted version of the holy word of SDF:M designed to tempt you away with it's flashy lights and fancy animation. The true path to salvation lies only in the original 36 episode scripture!

Topless Robot has dabbled in anti-Macross trolling (ick, I feel like Pizza or someone going on about "Macross purist trolls" saying that) before, the first major example I can remember being here. A number of people made what I felt to be fairly reasonable, civil posts in the comments but, unfortunately, one (or possibly more) idiots felt the need to spam it with a bunch of pointless "HURPADERP ROBOCRAP IS TEH SUXX" nonsense which, I think, resulted in the tone of this next piece. This list is just the most recent entry in a trilogy of attempts to elicit some kind of response from Macross fans.

I don't know how much the writers at Topless Robot believe what they're putting out there, but it's pretty obvious the reason it's being done is to annoy people. Note the tags on the two most recent posts ("Nerd baiting") and the dismissive attitude displayed in #7 on the list ("It doesn't matter what you try to say because I'm just going to ignore you").