herbert

Huh? You've allowed a show you've never seen to ruin all of Macross for you...?

And, y'know...the show makes a lot more sense when you actually WATCH it...

I have watched it and strived to delete it from my memory.

Sheryl

Sorry I have never watched Macross Frontier but somehow my instinct tells me that I must automatically vote Sheryl and she is an awesome character beyond a certain crappy show, which has ruined all good impressions and memories I previously had on Macross series.

Edit: I wonder if my words make sense. Guess it's same with the show, which doesn't make sense.

It is very evident that you, much like justinstrife, just hates Ranka. Period. There is no point trying to inform you that what you just said here is devoid of reason because it will not reach you.

I apologize. I didn't realize that you are the arbiter of who can and cannot post in this thread.

Of course I'm interested in who Alto ends up with, but I'm not really attached to any outcome. If he ends up with Sheryl, I won't be disappointed. Ditto Ranka. Ditto neither.

What I'm not interested in is "Why Ranka Sucks," and that's not the point of this thread anyway. And I'm not sure why you want me to read some blog about why she sucks...I have perfectly fine evaluative thinking skills, thanks very much.

It doesn't matter to me whether Ranka deserves Alto. It doesn't matter if she's a nice and good person. She's a fictional character, not someone I've met in real life. So what matters to me is whether or not she's interesting enough for me to watch week after week, and so far, the answer is yes.

If you want to jump all over me for supplying the (factual, not opinion-based) information that her family was killed, and that yes, she's pretty messed up, go ahead. But don't dump everything you hate about Ranka supporters on my head, and don't tell me where I can and can't post.

You guess wrong.

My apology for that misplaced critics.

Huh? JustinStrife said she's had it too easy. I mentioned that her family was killed. He challenged me to mention five times when she was bothered by that, and assumed I was a Ranka supporter.

Now you're saying I should've talked about her characteristics? Cripes, man, all I wanted to do at the beginning was to mention that her family got killed, not get pulled into a discussion which doesn't interest me very much.

...Ok, this is just silly. We should throw out a major personality defining factor because we haven't been beaten over the head with it? Or is it just that it's convenient to disregard to make Ranka look worse? Like Gubaba was saying, she's pretty f'ed up and it's apparent in scenes like when she couldn't let go of Alto's shirt (or Sheryl's dress in the manga... but regardless.) No, it's not an excuse outright, nor does it mean she should "win" in the romance department, but look up clinical symptoms of dissociative amnesia. Here's a start. Might help you comprehend her character beyond just throwing her under the bus for the sake of your ship. And yes, I am pulling for SkullFairy myself.

This is MW, people, bring the A game.

She was just a pathetic little thing in that scene. It really tells very little. Why it must have anything to do with her past? Ranka is always timid and in lack of self-control so it's not a surprise at all that she couldn't let go of it (her fear).

"the memories might resurface on their own or after being triggered by something in the person's surroundings." I guess you want me to read this line, right? I think it's bit tricky because the memories dosen't resurface at this like it does a little after when she sees Ozma injured. Besides, we are still in middle of air to know if this amnesia has anything to do with her personality and normal life. I am leaned to a "no." Moreover, you must misunderstand why it was brought up. People talked that Ranka need to handle a major disappointment to make and to show her growth. She needs to handle it not just to experience (plus she dosen't seems to remember). Either the past or a loss in romance, she needs to handle something big and bad.

I'm not sure what you're getting at about how you "didn't mean" to post the insult, but whatever.

Look. You said Ranka's had it too easy. I say she's been messed up pretty hard (I will concede that she doesn't let it show very often...but stuff like being unable to let go of Alto's shirt when they were trapped in the shelter hints at the trauma). How on earth does that translate into me wanting Alto and Ranka to end up together?

And I didn't answer your question because it's unanswerable. None of this stuff consciously bothers her because she forgets it immediately after it happens. Now, if it STILL hasn't come out by the final episode, then I would call that bad writing. But we haven't reached the end yet. If you want to know when she talked to Alto and found out more about him, well...we haven't seen that. One could make an argument that the frenetic amount of texting they were doing with each other in the early episodes probably had some probing questions, but we'll most likely never know.

For the record, I like Ranka, but I do think she's childish. Still, to say she's had it too easy is just plain wrong.

1 poll has dropped so I'll give this thread back to the community. Have fun kids.

Better to change its title to Part 3 now.

Voted Sheryl.

No Max/Miria, no Bassara/Mylene, but there is Bassara/Guitar!

Is this poll a joke?

Actually it's pretty even in Japan for both girls. I've seen a few online polls and they won one each, for magazine pols Sheryl has been in the lead both Newtype polls that the Macross characters have been in, Sheryl made the first Animage poll that Macross F featured in, Ranka pulled ahead of her there in the second. The Sheryl single is going to outsell the Ranka single by a pretty big margin but that's probably got more to do with the quality of songs, Official Macross BBS was pretty much pro Sheryl after her "decline" in episode 12.

It's probably how they want them to be.. not like western and Chinese forums were they are overwhelming in favor of Sheryl.

Here are 3 jp polls held on a very same site, starting from Mar 31, May 21 and July 7, respectively. It is, of course, not a good indicator of jp people's preference of characters in general, but it can be a good sample for how characters' popularity goes through the course of time. (note: the voting system is quite similiar to AS forum's poll, that is to say, you can cast multiple votes in one shot.)

http://www.vote5.net/anime/htm/1206894587.html

Mar 31 poll, Sheryl 1st, Ranka 2nd, Alto 3rd. Gaps among 3 mains were little, but the gap between mains and rest was large.

http://www.vote5.net/anime/htm/1211369207.html

May 21 poll, Sheryl 1st, Alto 2nd, Ranka 5th. Sheryl started to pull away from the rest; Alto took a step up to 2nd, but the advantage over supportive characters was nearly gone; Ranka was overran by Alto and 2 supportives, Klan Klan and Brera.

http://www.vote5.net/anime/htm/1215357986.html

July 7 poll. For a younger than two weeks poll, it's still too early to carve its result on stone. But so far we see, Sheryl enjoys a ratio (about 70%) resembled to AS poll; Klan Klan rise to 2nd with an impressive margin over Brera, the current owner of 3rd place; Alto drops to 5th; Ranka, on the other hand, DISAPPEARS from top 10 (it took me a while to find out where's her).

I read from someone who knows jp that some Ranka fans starts to complain about Ranka, suggesting she should pay more attention to people other than her princess. Frankly, Ranka is an open book, most, if not all her charms (cute looks, cute singing, low-self-esteem, a damsel in distress with possibility to grow strong) were shown or expectable from day 1. In other words, little potential for her to grow popularity. Sheryl is another story. She is complex, having more than showing. She always has something new in sleeve, she can always pull out some unexpected. While I have seen many netural-or-anti-Sheryl-people-turned-Sheryl-fans, but yet to see any in another way around.

At current rate, I expect the popularity demographics at the time the series ends would be no big difference in anywhere in the world.

I guess I haven't said my dream scenario in MW. Mikhail KIA, Sheryl gets a blue VF and Klan Klan and a slave who serve them.

@ Westlo

People can vote a character for all reasons. But for Sheryl, I really beg for no sympathy vote.

Well, if you ahve a cop-pilot, might as well make him/her able to take over flying the plane if the need arises.

We all know Luca needs a co-pilot more than anyone else.

Nanase. Nanase. Nanase. I will always find a girl of her proportions who wears corrective lenses attractive.

Have you cast your vote? If you haven't, do it. Nanase's number haven't increased for a while. Since Ranka and Nanase are unlikely to catch up Klan-chan in 2nd place and dethorning Sheryl from the #1 is simply impossible, I'm more interested in who will end in the 3rd. Nanase definitely need more support to be more competitive.

but i have to admit.... the scene was way out of there in the de-culture edition, simply because there was no prior interaction between sheryl and alto. it was really off. could you really blame sheryl for ignoring the ramblings of this crazy kid she's never even met before?

it was only in the broadcast edition that it felt acceptable for that exchange to take place. Alto: "i saved your life, so you listen to what i have to say!" Sheryl: "well, i wouldn't have been in danger in the first place if it weren't for your corkscrew, so bug off." See? didn't that sound more reasonable?

No, it's simply a problem of misunderstanding, a showcase of the imperfections of vebal communication.

Alto:"Not all people have been evacuated (pointing to himself). People have been here for you [read: I have worked for you]. You should still have something to do before you leave [read: give me a ride to shelter]." Sheryl:"(not looking at Alto the whole time and thinking he is a selfless but stupid boy) it's only for professionals." Alto: "That is where your professionalism goes(stunned, thinking Sheryl means a professional singer having privilege over a school boy not it's a job for professional soldiers to handle enemy.)."

This is the real story.

If your scenrio is true, I bet there is another scenario would happen about one year later.

Welcome to Macross World. It's much more laid back, if still a tad anal at times.

Gotta admit though that it would be terribly one sided on AS without her around though. Though I'm finding all these excuses for her stuffing up in True Tears funny considering she was just as adamant with that show as she is now with Frontier.

But I guess I won't be this aggressive if not for her.

"Wrongdoings"? What show are you watching?

Ah fandom. I had no clear this sort of debate was raging. On 4chan maybe, but here?

Let me have a look on dictionary, "wrongdoing" is

1. behavior or action that is wrong, evil, or blameworthy.

2. an act that is wrong, evil, or blameworthy; misdeed; sin.

Ranka must be saint to not have done any.

Kidding aside, I said this only because I have seen bitch this and bitch when Sheryl does something wrong or not wrong just some people are too lazy to think, but I am only taught by them about forgiving and tolerating when Ranka is in the question. Well, after all she is new, young, inexperienced and still growing so we are responsible to forgive her and say she is always a nice and cute girl, so we must not call her a bitch. Maybe I need wait a day there is the flying knife instead of a frying pan hitting up with Ozma's forehead to call it wrongdoing.

Maybe not. Ranka-chan justifies anything by her existence.

It's not that she didn't care to know, it's just that Ranka is a shy girl.

FV

Ranka's shyness is really a great weapon to destroy any critics against her wrongdoings.

If you follow anime trends Ranka is a 90% chance to win... seriously the amount of women in Sheryl's mold who wins is low... Last one.. maybe Shuffle?

Voted Sheryl.

Maybe the Chinese don't realize how bitchy she really is. But yes, she's cute sometimes.

Mmm but from my PoV I see all these slight nudges in the episodes towards Ranka and Alto; something more meaningful and ambiguous is placed between those two. That isn't saying Sheryl, who is obviously the more popular of the two (both in the series and with viewers), hasn't been getting such treatment as well but it seems more forced I guess. It's what people expect yanno? Granted it's only episode 10, soon to be 11, released yet so things could definitely change!

Bad news, we don't have 11 this week because of Eurocup.

Which part(s) make you think there are nudges pushing to Ranka and Alto pairing? You must a real Ranka fan to ignore the fact Ranka knows nothing about Alto and don't care to know until someone tells her that she knows nothing about her crush.

@ MisaForever

thanks for the hot pic.

I like her not because of hotness per se, which is a plus I admit, but mainly her personality and attitudes when comes to her trade.

Interesting.. so looks like Sheryl is dominating in English and Chinese forums and going by these two polls she's doing well in Japan too.. anyone got access to the Newtype Character Rankings? Though it might be a bit too early for Frontier characters to be ranking on that... and Geass will dominate that anyway.

as far as I know Sheryl is 8th place and Ranka 10th place in female department, Macross is 4th in series department of NT June issue. I haven't seen Alto, maybe they just have big trouble for not knowing which department the princess shall compete in.

Sheryl demolishes Ranka in another poll... I don't think I've seen Ranka win any English forum poll against Sheryl... does anyone know who's more popular on 2ch/japan? Ranka yeah?

Don't know about 2ch (knowing next to nothing about Japanese language so not to mention 2ch language), but I have googled "マクロスF人気投票(trans: macross F popularity poll)" and found two results.

1st poll

http://www.vote5.net/anime/htm/1206894587.html

current top three

1. Sheryl Nome 238 votes

2. Ranka Lee 177 votes

3. Alto Saotome 166 votes

2nd poll

http://www2.finito-jp.net/m1/FRONTIER7/vote.cgi

current top three

1. Sheryl Nome 301 votes

2. Ranka Lee 300 votes

3. Alto Saotome 234 votes

It seems the two polls are still votable and open for overseas voters.

Before Sheryl thread we got a Klan Klan thread?

May I join Klan Klan club if I'm a SherylXKlanKlan supporter?

So Nanase is somewhat fat?

She is a cute girl - I just don't like the type - but I appreciate how she's a good friend to Ranka

VFTF1

I voted Sheryl, but I really want to vote original Miria.

I am a Sheryl fanboy ever since deculture version, so no reason for me to not vote the Galaxy Fairy. I'd like vote Klan Klan if I can cast two votes. I just think blue would suit Sheryl very well (doesn't matter which blue).

By the way, is that possible to do a VOTE CHANGE function? I'm sure there would be ppl have done voting want to change to Sheryl after ep6.

It's probably not..."Aimo" is ending theme for episode 1 (Broadcast Version) and the song she sings in episode 3. So if anyone has a connection with the Bird Man, it's Ranka...

Just in case you didn't notice these.

10. アイモ [Aimo]

...

21. アイモ〜鳥のひと [Aimo~The Bird Man] (!!!)

Bird Man can well be Sheryl's version of Aimo song.

Maybe she's just using him to get inside access to SMS? Or maybe she's been put in a situation where she cannot make trouble between the NUNS and SMS, thus refusing his advances means making trouble for her job. In this case, it's power harrassment... we'll see how this develops.