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I can say that the ultimate detail is a truely masterpiece in its form.
THeres a reason why a truely detailed kit will not get modded. For instance the factory alliance qubeley 1/90 scale. Thats perfect.
factory alliance phantom 1/72 scale . Thats perfect.
Led Mirage V3 3007 1/72 scaled with clear parts. Thats perfect.
These kits go for lower price when fully built due that there is no need to mod them.
The perfect detail is not perfect because it can't transform to the other two forms.
Thats the challenge. The detail is perfect but the function is not. If the detail is perfect and the function is perfect , than I would just mostly say , I'm bored ....
As for me, you will be seeing more of my works. I let you decide if I am a builder or a worker or both as a designer.
Theres alot of things I still need to work on, mostly the skill to build faster and smarter. So what projects you take on. Resin Plastic both
THere would be no challenge in building a better detail perfect 1/48 vf-11. IF thats the case , no fans will need to do a mod. No one will like to buy it due that its perfect in detail.I disagree with this. There will always be room for modifications and customizations on any model kit. If a high detailed kit came out, most fans would be very happy. Especially modellers who do not have alot of experience making something more detailed.
In the post you made above about the 1/48 Strike resin. That is an ultimate detail kit..yet you are going to make it variable. It is a prime example right there.
I have alot of experience in the japanese modeling industry.Such as? Building them only or have you worked for a company as a designer?
Also you didn't answer my last question. I guess you don't have to I was just curious. If there is another MW member here in Japan it would be pretty cool...
Rob
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I agree with all of the points you have except for the perfect grade. The reason why the detail is not there is that, if the detail is there. THere would be no challenge in building a better detail perfect 1/48 vf-11. IF thats the case , no fans will need to do a mod. No one will like to buy it due that its perfect in detail. If its less detail , there will be a market . If its perfect, good luck on modeling. Because modeling is what you do to the model and not what the model does to you because it comes in a box.
I have alot of experience in the japanese modeling industry.
hobbykits, you seem to be missing the points I'm trying to make, which are : -- Bandai's designs their MG, PG & HGUC kits so that they will appeal to BOTH the non-professional & professional builder, i.e. the non-professional can just quickly snap the Bandai kits together with no paint or glue and still have something that looks reasonably good. The professional can take his time and use sand, putty, paint and scratch-build or optional resin parts to make the kit look even better. Using this approach Bandai captures a larger share of the hobby market.
- Hasegawa kits are more traditional model kits in that they require paint and glue to build and thus are more suitable for the professional builder.
- Bandai MG, PG & HGUC Gundam kits have much less surface detail (fewer panel lines) than Hasegawa's Macross kits.
- Transforming model kits in general are more fragile than transforming toys. If you want a mecha that you can frequently transform it is better to stick with a toy rather than a model. Transforming toys can be durable, whereas transforming mecha kits like the MG Zeta and Z-Plus and PG Zeta are less durable and often have balance problems (lack of ratchet joints), sagging parts and insufficiently stong locking.
- Going by the present level of detail on Bandai's PG kits, a PG VF-1 would not necessarily be more detailed than a Yamato 1/48 VF-1 toy, although of course a professional model builder could make a PG kit much more detailed.
Graham
- Bandai's designs their MG, PG & HGUC kits so that they will appeal to BOTH the non-professional & professional builder, i.e. the non-professional can just quickly snap the Bandai kits together with no paint or glue and still have something that looks reasonably good. The professional can take his time and use sand, putty, paint and scratch-build or optional resin parts to make the kit look even better. Using this approach Bandai captures a larger share of the hobby market.
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I am going to do a conversion on the 1/48 ultimate detail. Yes , original and not recast. Well see if i can make a 500.00 kit thats surpasses yamatos and probably it go for 6k+ on yahoo japan when i sell the moded thing.
Since Hasegawa was not going to release it..they did make it possible for fans to do the conversion themselves. That is why the plans to do it were released. As far as I know it was done a total of 3 times. I am sure that it is more...it is just that they have never been published. I would like to try it one day....but it will have to go on the pile of the other billion things that I want to get done....Rob
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You do have a good point that hasagawa was considering making a transformable kit. But if this was built, do you think the fans would use their creativity and actually try to convert a non transformable kit to a transformable kit. Know thats a challenge. Or just do it to the ultimate detail. Know thats a even greater challenge.
Actually no I am not. And I know exactly what scratch building and resin conversion kits. I have had the priviledge of actually talk with some of the original sculptors of the Hasegawa Models. I have seen the presentation pieces that were submitted for Hasegawa's review. At one point in time they did consider doing it. And some of these designs have appeared in Model Graphix. For what I understand is they scrapped the project due to the cost of making them. It was cheaper in the long run just to keep making the kits the way they are now.Rob
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When you mix resin with plastic. Thats scratch building or adding resin conversion kits to your models. This is not the case. I mean the kit has to be engineered by bandai or hasagawa. You probably talking about the expensive IHP conversion kit at the event.
There isn't a transformable hasagawa kit to date. Why you doubting bandai.Actually there is. Not for commerical re-sale but the Hasegawa's can be converted to be transforming. I actually have the plans for it alothough I have never tried...
And at one point Hasegawa did consider making a transforming Valkyrie based on these designs. (Waits patiently for Hase to reconsider doing this...)
Rob
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So color based plastic is for kids that build it and display it. Have you heard of studio reckless. Their resin for the gundam 1/144 is made of a resin that is colored. THe price of this kit is about 500.00 ,,, Theres a reason why its colored and you should know why if you airbrush your models.
That's an interesting take on things Sar and after thinking about your post, I've gotta say I agree with pretty much everything you said.Bandai's MG & PG kits with their snap-together construction, extensive points of articulation, foil stickers and parts all molded in the correct color plastic are definitely aimed largely at the general mecha fan (such as myself) who has neither the time or skill to putty, sand and paint a kit to make it look good, but just wants an easy to build robot that can look good with minimal effort and is study enough to withstand a certain amount of re-posing or gentle play.
Of course, the MG & PG kits are also suitable for the experienced model builder who does have the time and skill to paint them, but as Sar mentioned, even the PG kits lack the detail and panel lines of traditional plastic models like those from Hasegawa.
Basically, Bandai's MG & PG kits are neither fish nor fowl. They're nowhere near as detailed as traditional model kits such as those by Hasegawa and neither are they as sturdy proper toys.
If Bandai were to one day make a transformable MG or PG VF-1 kit, we'd probably just end up with something with a similar level of detail to the existing Yamato 1/48 VF-1 toy with perhaps a few removable panels to show some inner detail, but which would in all likelyhood be more fragile than the transforming toys we already have at present.
Although I don't consider myself a model builder, I have owned and built dozens of Bandai Gundam kits in a 14 year period from 1989 to 2003 and they have all left me less than impressed by their durability, even the MG & PG kits and especially the transforming MG & PG kits. Invariably with transforming kits, you get accelerated wear on the locking parts and/or sagging parts due to insufficiently sturdy locking joints.
These days if I want a transforming Variable Fighter I stick with toys as transforming model kits have too many compromises and have proved themselves to be too fragile. On the other hand, If I want a nice single mode non-transfoming representation of a Variable Fighter (either Hasegawa or garage kit), I'll commission a professional model builder to paint the kit for me.
While I've previously said I'd like to see a PG transfoming VF-1, I don't think anything Bandai could release with their present design philosophy would be much superior to the Yamato 1/48 and as mentioned above would almost certainly be more fragile.
Graham
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Foil stickers , people that are professional gundam builders don't use foil stickers. We print our own transfers. The articulation is a plus. Professional gundam builders use putty to make sure all seam lines are not visible or scratch building areas that don't look good.
First of all Master and pefect grade kits are not meant for the professional side. Hguc is for the professional modeler.
There isn't a transformable hasagawa kit to date. Why you doubting bandai.
A yamato 1/48 is a toy, you comparing a toy to a model. check the picture below. What you think of it . Its a toy or a model.
That's an interesting take on things Sar and after thinking about your post, I've gotta say I agree with pretty much everything you said.Bandai's MG & PG kits with their snap-together construction, extensive points of articulation, foil stickers and parts all molded in the correct color plastic are definitely aimed largely at the general mecha fan (such as myself) who has neither the time or skill to putty, sand and paint a kit to make it look good, but just wants an easy to build robot that can look good with minimal effort and is study enough to withstand a certain amount of re-posing or gentle play.
Of course, the MG & PG kits are also suitable for the experienced model builder who does have the time and skill to paint them, but as Sar mentioned, even the PG kits lack the detail and panel lines of traditional plastic models like those from Hasegawa.
Basically, Bandai's MG & PG kits are neither fish nor fowl. They're nowhere near as detailed as traditional model kits such as those by Hasegawa and neither are they as sturdy proper toys.
If Bandai were to one day make a transformable MG or PG VF-1 kit, we'd probably just end up with something with a similar level of detail to the existing Yamato 1/48 VF-1 toy with perhaps a few removable panels to show some inner detail, but which would in all likelyhood be more fragile than the transforming toys we already have at present.
Although I don't consider myself a model builder, I have owned and built dozens of Bandai Gundam kits in a 14 year period from 1989 to 2003 and they have all left me less than impressed by their durability, even the MG & PG kits and especially the transforming MG & PG kits. Invariably with transforming kits, you get accelerated wear on the locking parts and/or sagging parts due to insufficiently sturdy locking joints.
These days if I want a transforming Variable Fighter I stick with toys as transforming model kits have too many compromises and have proved themselves to be too fragile. On the other hand, If I want a nice single mode non-transfoming representation of a Variable Fighter (either Hasegawa or garage kit), I'll commission a professional model builder to paint the kit for me.
While I've previously said I'd like to see a PG transfoming VF-1, I don't think anything Bandai could release with their present design philosophy would be much superior to the Yamato 1/48 and as mentioned above would almost certainly be more fragile.
Graham
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Also bandai kits are not a toys. Yamato is based on a toy design. Gundam kits are for people that want detail. Polycaps do not slip out due to pose. You need to mod them so they don't slip. A drop of glue will harden the poseon a joint. If you want detail panel lines, go get a ultimate detail original and dont' get a recast . The original is already a bad cast already.
By the way, the mk2 kit below will sell for over 4k 4000.00. Its no toy.
Bandai kits are not bulky and has more detail than any hasagawa kit out there. Master Grades have frames in them , thats why they are posable due polycaps. Have you seen the new gundam mk2 version 2. See attached picture. Thats a professional built bandai kit. THe new gundam kits don't use polycaps to pose anymore.Japanese modelers who thrive for detail build 1/144 because these kits have better panel lines and not bulky due to frames and posability. Give me some of your insights.
I don't want to sound derogatory, and I build gundam kits as much as I do other stuff... but surely the 'Gunpla quality reputation' is in the same way that you'd expect a Fischer Price toy truck to break less frequently or easily than a scale model kit of the same truck? Gunpla are built as half-models, half-action-figures, they're snap-together and have polycap joints all over the place and the price you pay for that is blocky, bulky shapes that sure, are durable compared to something like a Hasegawa valkyrie, but don't capture the same detail or feeling of scale.
If Bandai did start making gundam-kit-esque valkyries, I guess I'd expect them to be a lot easier to assemble than the Hasegawa alternatives, but really I'd also expect them to look chunky and bare. No more fine panel lines and tiny hatch details, instead I'd expect a few surface details - the odd hatch or vent, every tenth panel line - exaggerated and bulked out, and the rest missing completely.
[EDIT: And the bit that I was meaning to add but completely forgot the first time around...
The problem with this positioning is that it is halfway between a toy and a model kit; it's more posable than you expect from a model kit, and less detailed to fit in that posability... but it's not as durable and solid as a toy that's constructed as a toy. Yamato make toys, and from what I've seen (admittedly very little) they're a lot more robust than your average gundam kit. Gundam kits are posable, but nothing more than that; attempt anything more and the joints slip out of their polycap holdings and you're half-posing, half-holding-the-arms-on, and accessory bits fall off in your hands. Do Yamato toys have that problem?]
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Also bandai kits are not a toys. Yamato is based on a toy design. Gundam kits are for people that want detail. Polycaps do not slip out due to pose. You need to mod them so they don't slip. A drop of glue will harden the poseon a joint. If you want detail panel lines, go get a ultimate detail original and dont' get a recast . The original is already a bad cast already.
Bandai kits are not bulky and has more detail than any hasagawa kit out there. Master Grades have frames in them , thats why they are posable due polycaps. Have you seen the new gundam mk2 version 2. See attached picture. Thats a professional built bandai kit. THe new gundam kits don't use polycaps to pose anymore.Japanese modelers who thrive for detail build 1/144 because these kits have better panel lines and not bulky due to frames and posability. Give me some of your insights.
I don't want to sound derogatory, and I build gundam kits as much as I do other stuff... but surely the 'Gunpla quality reputation' is in the same way that you'd expect a Fischer Price toy truck to break less frequently or easily than a scale model kit of the same truck? Gunpla are built as half-models, half-action-figures, they're snap-together and have polycap joints all over the place and the price you pay for that is blocky, bulky shapes that sure, are durable compared to something like a Hasegawa valkyrie, but don't capture the same detail or feeling of scale.
If Bandai did start making gundam-kit-esque valkyries, I guess I'd expect them to be a lot easier to assemble than the Hasegawa alternatives, but really I'd also expect them to look chunky and bare. No more fine panel lines and tiny hatch details, instead I'd expect a few surface details - the odd hatch or vent, every tenth panel line - exaggerated and bulked out, and the rest missing completely.
[EDIT: And the bit that I was meaning to add but completely forgot the first time around...
The problem with this positioning is that it is halfway between a toy and a model kit; it's more posable than you expect from a model kit, and less detailed to fit in that posability... but it's not as durable and solid as a toy that's constructed as a toy. Yamato make toys, and from what I've seen (admittedly very little) they're a lot more robust than your average gundam kit. Gundam kits are posable, but nothing more than that; attempt anything more and the joints slip out of their polycap holdings and you're half-posing, half-holding-the-arms-on, and accessory bits fall off in your hands. Do Yamato toys have that problem?]
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If you look into a hasagawa kit , do you see a frame inside. Probably not due that the posability is zero. I wish hasagawa did the outside panels and let bandai do the frame.
Bandai kits are not bulky and has more detail than any hasagawa kit out there. Master Grades have frames in them , thats why they are posable due polycaps. Have you seen the new gundam mk2 version 2. See attached picture. Thats a professional built bandai kit. THe new gundam kits don't use polycaps to pose anymore.Japanese modelers who thrive for detail build 1/144 because these kits have better panel lines and not bulky due to frames and posability. Give me some of your insights.
I don't want to sound derogatory, and I build gundam kits as much as I do other stuff... but surely the 'Gunpla quality reputation' is in the same way that you'd expect a Fischer Price toy truck to break less frequently or easily than a scale model kit of the same truck? Gunpla are built as half-models, half-action-figures, they're snap-together and have polycap joints all over the place and the price you pay for that is blocky, bulky shapes that sure, are durable compared to something like a Hasegawa valkyrie, but don't capture the same detail or feeling of scale.
If Bandai did start making gundam-kit-esque valkyries, I guess I'd expect them to be a lot easier to assemble than the Hasegawa alternatives, but really I'd also expect them to look chunky and bare. No more fine panel lines and tiny hatch details, instead I'd expect a few surface details - the odd hatch or vent, every tenth panel line - exaggerated and bulked out, and the rest missing completely.
[EDIT: And the bit that I was meaning to add but completely forgot the first time around...
The problem with this positioning is that it is halfway between a toy and a model kit; it's more posable than you expect from a model kit, and less detailed to fit in that posability... but it's not as durable and solid as a toy that's constructed as a toy. Yamato make toys, and from what I've seen (admittedly very little) they're a lot more robust than your average gundam kit. Gundam kits are posable, but nothing more than that; attempt anything more and the joints slip out of their polycap holdings and you're half-posing, half-holding-the-arms-on, and accessory bits fall off in your hands. Do Yamato toys have that problem?]
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Bandai kits are not bulky and has more detail than any hasagawa kit out there. Master Grades have frames in them , thats why they are posable due polycaps. Have you seen the new gundam mk2 version 2. See attached picture. Thats a professional built bandai kit. THe new gundam kits don't use polycaps to pose anymore.
Japanese modelers who thrive for detail build 1/144 because these kits have better panel lines and not bulky due to frames and posability. Give me some of your insights.
I don't want to sound derogatory, and I build gundam kits as much as I do other stuff... but surely the 'Gunpla quality reputation' is in the same way that you'd expect a Fischer Price toy truck to break less frequently or easily than a scale model kit of the same truck? Gunpla are built as half-models, half-action-figures, they're snap-together and have polycap joints all over the place and the price you pay for that is blocky, bulky shapes that sure, are durable compared to something like a Hasegawa valkyrie, but don't capture the same detail or feeling of scale.
If Bandai did start making gundam-kit-esque valkyries, I guess I'd expect them to be a lot easier to assemble than the Hasegawa alternatives, but really I'd also expect them to look chunky and bare. No more fine panel lines and tiny hatch details, instead I'd expect a few surface details - the odd hatch or vent, every tenth panel line - exaggerated and bulked out, and the rest missing completely.
[EDIT: And the bit that I was meaning to add but completely forgot the first time around...
The problem with this positioning is that it is halfway between a toy and a model kit; it's more posable than you expect from a model kit, and less detailed to fit in that posability... but it's not as durable and solid as a toy that's constructed as a toy. Yamato make toys, and from what I've seen (admittedly very little) they're a lot more robust than your average gundam kit. Gundam kits are posable, but nothing more than that; attempt anything more and the joints slip out of their polycap holdings and you're half-posing, half-holding-the-arms-on, and accessory bits fall off in your hands. Do Yamato toys have that problem?]
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Thanks for the info. I will like to pay 400 for the vf-11 if anyone here wants to sell it to me
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Hi what is the scale for the studio halfeye kit for the vf-11. Also does anyone want to sell me this kit. I will pay 330+ dollars for it. thanks
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Well , who can i talk to recast this item and how many people are going to buy it when it is recasted.
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thanks, I did some more research on the web. It seems that this kit is really rare. How much should the start bid go for and how much do you guys think it will end. I really need the money for christmas for gifts.
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This is a original and not a recast kit. How much would you like it for. We can come to some deal. I was thinking of ebay but hate their fees but if i must, i must. I have over 130 feedback so i'm a good seller.
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What is the name of this mech. And how much is anyone willing to purchase this from me. thanks
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Which kit would you guys suggest you want me to show on macrossworld forum
IHP full armor vf-11
vf-19 excalibur by repttu
studio halfeye vf-21
1/48 ultimate detail
all are original kits. Which kits would you think is least skillful and most skillful and also which model would you like me to post on this board to be built.
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Its amazing how you know so much about macross kits. You guys are like the oracle of macross. I just can't seem to get how you knew about the IHP kits. Bad thing about macross know is that, not many people are making any good resin kits, except for hasa something . Yamato is great but just the feel of creating your own piece is half the fun. What you guys think.
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Whollee cow, Thats like 450.00 for this kit. The studio halfeye kit is like 300.00 with fast pack and its studio halfeye. Are you going to build this kit or are you going to save it and keep it as a collectable.
I was very lucky to pick up a IHP VF-11 with the full armor set a couple years ago. It's definitely one of the rarest kits I own.Just a couple weeks ago, one was on Yahoo Japan Auctions. This one had both the VF-11, FAST Packs, and the Full Armor parts. It sold for Y45,000!
It's a hell of a kit, but honestly, I can't imagine myself building it. Or selling it. And no, I won't be recasting it either
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Hi guys, wow I had so many responses to this thread, I am so happy. The kit I have is the one in the picture with the fast pack. I acquired it and will be building it soon. I thought I needed the vf-11 SHE kit to build it so I bought the fast pack too.
Is the one with the logo built by you CARL. Amazing detail. About recasting this IHP kit. Whos up for it.
But still , i am looking for the SHE VF-11 Kit. I will post pictures of the kit I just purchased and take pictures of the progress.
I want to say you tell me about your "full armor conversion resin kit for the she vf-11" and I'll tell you everything you want to know but that's not the way I play.
IHP's VF-11 kit is transformable. It was sold in several forms. It's been sold as a stand alone kit. It's been sold with the fast packs as seen above. It has also been sold with the Armor parts (that is the version I have). I don't think I have the fast packs myself but I believe I know who might. The armor parts have also been sold as an seperate kit by themselves too. These have all been event only releases so they are all quite rare kits but they show up on Yahoo Japan every now and then.
Carl
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Does this kit come with the
1) VF-11 - transformable or static
2) Armor parts
thanks
Off the top of my head I believe it was a couple hundred bucks. I'm not sure exactly. I have one but I don't remember if it still has a yen price indicated on it or not. If I can find it this weekend I'll take a picture or two of mine. Scanning my hard drive I found this. Its the IHP VF-11 the full armor kit is made for. This one also happened to come with the fast pack set.
Carl
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Hi , I just bought the full armor conversion resin kit for the she vf-11. I would like to build the whole thing but I need the vf-11. I would gladly post pictures on this board on the progress. please reply if anyone is interested in this topic.
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Hi , I just bought the full armor conversion resin kit for the she vf-11. I would like to build the whole thing but I need the vf-11. I would gladly post pictures on this board on the progress. please reply if anyone is interested in this topic.
A "master Grade" Veritech?
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Any of you guys see gundam 0083 and do you think if the mechs from bandai show the exact replication of the series.