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[i'm not exactly sure what the "portal" is]

Website

[this is a phrase in Spanish is difficult to translate into English]

Pseudologia fantastica, mythomania, or pathological lying

I know he is avoiding saying something as simple as "sorry" "my mistake" i never check anything...etc., let me check the topic on MG the pm, my regular job and i will come back asap..

i see Basara as the typical indie artist :"I don't give a damn about the critics or record labels. I won't give it up until you hear why my album/song is the greatest thing since sliced bread because music is art not a business". And his kind of carefree attitude is also a big turn off.

And sheryl is almost the perfect opposite, "just because is art doesn't mean this isn't a bussiness".

That doesn't mean that he hasn't been by, just not logged in.

Still, I'm quite glad that this didn't get nasty and turned into a forum war, this is the internet after all. Thanks to iker for dropping by and keeping us inform of how things are going in regard to this from MG's point of view as well. I was beginning to feel uncomfortable about how it was going to turn out as time passed. I'm more relived now.

Gubaba, any ideas on where to keep all the info you collected if anyone ever stumble into this incident in the future? You know some new fan down the road would want to look up info about the series and would end up coming across some word of this and want to know more.

Well I've been a member since the ikonboard days, and MG was my attempt to do something like MW for the spanish community. And i still check in the forum from time to time

Tell me about it. For a few days I was feeling really worried that I had started something I couldn't finish. I suspected that this was a touchy subject for the mods here, and I was afraid I had made their fears come true...

But, like I said, MG is full of great people. And Shaloom's running away and hiding cannot be underestimated as a defuser of conflict. So bless the guy once again, for shooting himself in the foot and making himself look guilty as sin. If he had come roaring back, with well-photoshopped fakes, we might have had a real site war on our hands.

See, the problem is that I don't have a whole lot of info. It's all, "I can't find this" here and "I checked every book but it doesn't say anything about it" there. I think it's the cumulative effect that convincing, rather than any specific points.

And the information spans three different languages and lots of websites. Also, bear in mind that Shaloom said that the Macross Compendium and Macross World were both "full of errors and omissions." So I tried not to use either as a source.

Here's the rundown:

Shaloom's claims that have been thoroughly disproven

1. Ohnogi is credited as the writer for episode 18 of Frontier. (A check of the episode itself, Japanese Wikipedia, or either 2059:Memories or the Macross F Official Fan Book can dispel this one...if you know where to look, and you know the kanji for "screenplay" (脚本), "Yoshino Hiroyuki" (吉野弘幸) and for "Ohnogi Hiroshi" (大野木寛)).

2. Kawamori wrote the final episode for Macross F (The same sources as above can be used, since Yoshino is credited as writing all the episodes. But, just for the hell of it, here's Kawamori's name: 河森正治. And, just in case it comes up, his pseudonym, "Kurokawa Eiji": (黒河影次)

3. Ohnogi wrote Macross Plus. Anime News Network and all languages of Wikipedia, as well as either of the This Is Animation Specials on Macross Plus will tell you that Nobumoto Keiko wrote Plus.

4. Ohnogi wrote DYRL. Again, any book or website will tell you otherwise.

5. Ohnogi wrote the SDFM episodes "Pineapple Salad" and "Rainy Night." (Try as I might, I can't find any website that lists all the SDFM credits in English. Japanese Wikiepdia has them, as does Macross Perfect Memory. This evening, I just scanned the Perfect Memory pages, and I'll probably make some kind of color-coded "who wrote what"-type chart for it. There are only six writers for SDFM, so it shouldn't be too hard.)

6. There are fifteen Studio Nue Entertainment Bible volumes. (As Graham said, if they existed someone would've found them by now. I can't find any website with a list of all of them, but it's possible to piece together a list using amazon.co.jp, Mandarake, and the Japanese Wikipedia pages for the shows involved. Thankfully, the Entertainment Bibles are numbered quite prominently, so it's not hard to piece together all the info. Also, starblazers.com has an interview with Miyatake, with a bibliography of his works. Only the two volumes of the Studio Nue EBs are shown.)

7. There's an interview with Ohnogi in the August 1983 issue of OUT Magazine, where Ohnogi says that Kawamori didn't want Hikaru to end up with Misa, but rather have a "triangler ending." (among this most pleasant finds of my search was this site: http://homepage2.nifty.com/out-site/ , which documents the contents of every issue of OUT with obsessive detail. If you look at 1983, the August issue has nothing about Macross...the July issue, however, is chock-full of Macross stuff, and might be worth tracking down. No Ohnogi interview, however.)

8. The Famitsu Magazine Interview with Kawamori is as Shaloom presents it. (I posted the scans. Do with them as you will.)

Then there are a lot of claims that would be called false by any reasonable measure. These are 1) the existence of the radio show on which "Ohnogi" was "interviewed" by "Bobby" (It's not listed on the Japanese Wikipedia page for Macross F radio shows, there is no mention of it on the Macross F homepage, and there are no uploads of it on NicoNico. this doesn't disprove its existence 100%, but if it's real, there should be SOME mention of it SOMEWHERE) and 2) the SDFM "novels" of Ohnogi (Shaloom said they were serialized in "magazines like Animage and OUT between '86 and '88." Something that vague is hard to disprove. But no one else has heard of them, even die-hard Japanese macross fans (witness the rather bemused response when I asked about them on macross.co.jo: http://macross.co.jp/bbs/entry.cgi?mode=al...ree&no=5662 ). Not to say they COULDN'T exist, but given everything else, it seems unlikely.)

Last there are the things that may or may not be true, and only Shaloom knows for sure. There are too many to list, but they include things like Ranka's backpack being based on a design by the doujinshi group Macross Attack Team ( http://www.macrossworld.com/macross/books/dou_mat2.htm ), and the end of Frontier episode 8 being based on the hard-to-find secret ending of Macross Love Stories, the Macross dating sim.

I'm not sure about all of Bishopcruz's findings, but I think there's a similar dearth of real meat in what he found (or, more appropriately, DIDN'T find).

So really, that's very little to give someone, especially since the story has mutated, with some now saying that Ohnogi refused credit for his work on Frontier, or that the radio show was NOT a real radio show, but rather a DVD extra.

I'm sure it will come up again, and I think the only thing to do is to direct them to this thread, or the relevant Macross Generation threads.

I think I've done a good job of spreading the facts around here and at Animesuki. Once I finish posting the Spanish version of my essay, I hope the members of Macross Generation will spread it around similarly in the Spanish-Speaking world. And really, I think that's the best we can do, unless we can get Shaloom to publicly confess, and spread that confession around everywhere.

To quote Sam (from quantum leap) Oh boy...

Shaloom really is a m*ron not only did he mess up a lot of things...but could avoid a lot of damage with a few google searchs heck, just checking the imacross topic..

I will say this to iker and the MG forum members; I know you want to get past this incident and do what's best for your community. But keep in mind, the issue must remain open (at least for the near future), lest official action against the topic be interpreted as an attempt to cover up after the fact. At the risk of presumptuous, I don't believe anyone here blames the Macross Generation community for what happened. I believe Shaloom alone must carry the blame for this charge. Granted, some might be naturally apprehensive towards the MG website for a time, but I think most of us are understanding toward the MG community.

I know, and that's why the topic is pinned and opens for everyone to see the outcome & never forget what a couple of lies can do.

It's challenging for a reader to know whether information is omitted because it's simply untrue, or just that no one thought to include it.

And that's the main reason this hoax achieve live for so long.

WTF IS THAT the new movie?

No, is the new series: Shin mazinger

Although if you rather I didn't, that's fine, too.

Do it, i don't see why not.

(By the way...Graham, Iker...since I've got both of you here now...would it be possible for US to get that Minmay Doll smiley that's at Macross Generation? I've fallen in love with that thing!)

Sure

Hi folks i'm the other administrator/owner of macrossgeneration

like i have told Gubaba shaloom took the coward's way and cut all ties with our site no answer via phone/IM/mail/etc.

This is a low blow for me and bauhaus45 (the other admin/owner) because he was also our friend

we also try to restraint him to the forum and that's the reason we dont have a episode review in the site, since we couldn't found any proof online and he never show any book, file, or photo.

This is a big hit for our site? Yes, but i like to think we can put this "incident" behind asap or at least until.... shaloom linear notes for the movie (j/k)

So if any of you have any doubt, comment or something go ahead i will be around.

.. although his Twitter posts are protected, so I at least cannot look at them.

until today, the *erk must have read the post.

so now it's more like, "innocent until he talks". Then if that's the case, if he never talks, then he's innocent forever, isn't it?

I want to think (in this case) "Gulty until proven innocent"

i hope we arent enjoying this shaloom shindig shakedown too much

Well the user in me is really enjoying this show, the owner/admin is really piss off (it's 1 30 am here and i'm doing damage controll because my "pal" is a liar)

So personally, I get a great deal of satisfaction out of seeing the fruits of our labor. Even in the world of the internet, reliable information about Macross (and yes, I know it's just a cartoon) is difficult to come by, and someone who is delieberately trying to muddy the waters should be called to account.

And i want to tank you for all your labor and purge the plague in our site.

He really is a hero to many of the members there

And for me this is the most harmful thing, he betrayed a lot of people confidence and a lot of users refuse to believe me

ok..

3 cameos on the tv series and 3 on the movie

And the correct answer is...............................Matsuda Seiko. Take it away iker!

Thanks

Name some cameos that appeared in the TV series and in the movie.

Name the female singer Mikimoto Haruhiko had a thing for and based his design of Minmay on.

Matsuda Seiko

Actually as I mentioned. I am too old to whine or bitch about anything. The series just doesn't have any story to talk about... A great show for CGI graphics for sure.

For me is the opposite agreat show for the story and some action for the "olders" like us <_<