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Ah, man...now I'll NEVER know how long he could go on asking for the url when it's been staring him in the face the whole time...

Ah... hehe, missed it, my bad. Since you never answered me or gave me the url by PM I just assumed you didn't want to give it, my apologies.

Gubaba did real work - real research - to merely CHECK whether or not the information posted by Shaloom was true.

I think Gubaba is entitled to feel a bit let down by the half-hearted "solution" to this situation by (basically) a) being igorned, and then b) being told "oh it was an error now let's stop talking"

Don't get me wrong everyone, I have never claimed that Gubaba was wrong with his investigation, and I have no intention to do it now, Gubaba himself can attest to that, at least.

Anyway, thanks for your time Gubaba, I'll take a deeper look at your blog at a later date, since it is, well, not much right now.

If you manage to create that project you were talking about I am sure it will be pretty cool.

In the meantime, this has been an interesting social experiment, thank you too for that... Now I can see the appeal of prolonging useless fights and fully appreciate your position! However, I personally can't stay interested in doing so for more than a few days.

So good luck, and don't expect an answer here though... RL is a bit on the heavy side for me, but if you leave a PM I'll do my best to get back to you, it's the least I can do for the fun times and... it will give you fodder to complain more.

Keep it cool man!

Anyway, as I've said, I'm not going to pursue it anymore. Maybe he's learned his lesson. If not, you'll have your work cut out for you soon enough.

And you might want to fix some of his "errors" on the portal, as well.

LOL, we'll see in the end, won't we?

Your insistence that the issue is done with (and classifying it as "random flaming") shows me that you don't really understand why the apologies are unacceptable. Plus, "assuming that everything from MG is wrong" is EXACTLY what March is advocating.

The good thing about reading the whole thing is that people can make their own conclusions, I for one think that his point encompasses all Macross discussions, intentionally or unintentionally, I think it is wise, regardless of who tells you what, to double check, right?

Fact is, he lied. Either he lied about the information, or else he lied abut how he got it (saying "I read this book" and "I checked the credits" and then saying, "I was all rumors I read on the internet"...if one is true, the other must be false, right?). And he refuses to admit that he lied about anything, but pulls out this victimhood crap.

If that's good enough for you, great. But you've been acting like you're the reasonable one for being able to forgive and forget, when the truth is that he is still scamming people with his faux apology. As such, I don't think I'm being unreasonable at all.

Here's my issue, with your earlier post, really. It's not whether you agree or disagree with Shaloom's apology, you have made it abundantly clear that you don't, and I respect that. I am not going to change your mind, or try, really, although I will point out he did go out and said "it was all a lie".

When I say you are twisting words, it is by implying that I do not understand why you would want reliable information from now on, or by you choosing to simply use me as an example of what you have to deal by the way you have quoted me so far.

I think that's a bit of a stretch, don't you?

As for your question about the book, you need to remember that I actually don't know much about Macross Books, so even if I had seen the particular book, I would not know it... which I told you and... well, yes, I did say that, I fully admit it, and I stand by it in what I thought I later explained to you clearly: I am not going to be chasing after him to clear it to the point that you want. I don't care to, since it is not going to happen whether I did or not. Thus, life continues. Pedantic, I know.

But, anyway, I feel commenting more would be a borderline provocation to start a real fight over it... listen, just make sure that when you say "WD said this or that" to put up the quote, that's all I ask, ok?

Anyway, read you soon. (BTW, the url?)

Oh believe me, I will, too. Although one of the new admins of MG, Wanderer_D, genuinely doesn't seem to understand why. And he's the only one I've come across who has actually come out and asked me why Shaloom should still be raked over the coals, even though he apologized.

Anyone bringing that up will get no traction with me. Being an MG member is one thing. Carrying water for Shaloom is a different story entirely.

I won't really argue your point on this, since it would probably just start a fight no-one really wants. Mr. March has the right set of mind, I think, as I and others have pointed out to you, MG's credibility is already pretty down, however, you shouldn't have to twist words and paraphrase to prove a point, Gubaba...

Or as this message I sent you on the 26th might remind you...

Gubaba,

If you are implying I have a mess to clean, I am afraid I don't agree. I have no interest in the issue. What I am doing right now, which is helping re-establish the foundation for MG to move forward, is my issue and what I am interested in. Do not shift blame on me, if that is what you are saying.

If it cost you money, I am sad to hear it, since I have also bought from time to time things that ended up being useless... but to be blatantly honest, it is not my problem. It sucks, I know, but it is done and even if you got every answer you want, you wouldn't get the money back.

As for Macross World, Anime Suki and other sites, I know that you have thoroughly discussed the issue there. I was there when you did in two of them.

[...]

As for how you can help here... Your Ohnogi post here is still open, as you can surely see. So it's not like we want to obscure the facts that you brought up. What you did, was to the point and helpful. It helped here and in other sites, which is laudable. Here, you are welcome to post information you feel is relevant, participate in whatever subforum/topic you feel you want to participate.

Not all the information from this site comes from Shaloom, so, while the MG credibility might be questioned, the facts are also that the site has well-intended individuals that want to share their knowledge and interest about Macross.

On behalf of MG I apologize if false information from a member of our staff caused you and others problems. That is all I can do, and all that I am willing to do.

-WD

PS. You didn't send me the url for your blog, I'd like to see it if you don't mind.

Or more recently:

The best way you have to fight whatever information fight you are on, is to fight it by providing verifiable information, not by assuming everything from MG is wrong.

If you think advocating confirmation of sources, incentives to provide accurate information and an open invitation to you and others to share whatever reliable information you have is "genuinely not understanding why you would demand a source of information" well, then I guess you are completely right and we are on two different wavelengths.

As I told you before, you are free to quote me, but please, don't twist things.

It is clear MG-originating info will not be trusted in the foreseeable future. Either MG grows reliable again with time, or it doesn't, in the end, whether to trust implicitly or verify it falls to the reader himself.

-WD

Not sure what good it would do. Clearly, anyone who believes the "I have a bad memory" or "it was all internet rumors" excuses cannot be swayed by logic.

Besides, I'm sick of this. Unless someone comes over here proclaiming that, I dunno, Kawamori fired Yoko Kanno from the second movie because she was making Sheryl's songs sound too good, I don't think we need to worry about MG anymore.

EDIT: I mean, I tried. I asked about the Studio Nue Entertainment Bibles (since, of course, Shaloom insisted there were fifteen volumes, not the two that actually exist. One of the new admins said, "I see what the problem is; he meant BANDAI Entertainment Bibles. There are tons of those!" So I asked which one had the Ohnogi stories, and he said, essentially, "I couldn't tell you, and I don't really care. Shaloom said it was all a mistake, and he apologized. The matter's finished."

How do you reason with someone like that?

Guess you can't reason with them (or is it just one?). You owe me an URL though, don't forget to send it!

(Edit: Sorry, forgot to quote)