KingNor Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 what about the 'original' monster, is there a chance of one of those? well i think the problem with that is theres no money to be made...please let me explain before you bust out your flame-throwers. now, its safe to say if yamato made a plain ol monster, we'd all buy it right? but how much could yamato charge? or retailers/etailers? meaning, they can't justify a high price tag since it lacks any real features. it doesn't TF into any modes, it just sits there like a robot with big cannons. how much would you pay for a toy that did nothing? personally, at 1/100 scale, i wouldn't pay more than $50 tops. so what the next move for yamato? "hey why don't we make the koeing monster? it TFs into 3 modes just like the VF's". and since it TFs unlike the Q-rau that we ripped everyone off with, we should be able to justify the price which should be around the same price as a non FP 1/48." now, i don't know if that was anyone exact words but i have a feeling it went something like that. Not gonna use my flamethrower here. Totally agree with you there:D Isn't that Q-Rau thing doing good thouhg? Seems like that fits the same market. In this case I'd be much more willing to buy the original Monster than the transformable one. I wonder if I'm in the minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel's Fury Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 what about the 'original' monster, is there a chance of one of those? well i think the problem with that is theres no money to be made...please let me explain before you bust out your flame-throwers. now, its safe to say if yamato made a plain ol monster, we'd all buy it right? but how much could yamato charge? or retailers/etailers? meaning, they can't justify a high price tag since it lacks any real features. it doesn't TF into any modes, it just sits there like a robot with big cannons. how much would you pay for a toy that did nothing? personally, at 1/100 scale, i wouldn't pay more than $50 tops. so what the next move for yamato? "hey why don't we make the koeing monster? it TFs into 3 modes just like the VF's". and since it TFs unlike the Q-rau that we ripped everyone off with, we should be able to justify the price which should be around the same price as a non FP 1/48." now, i don't know if that was anyone exact words but i have a feeling it went something like that. Not gonna use my flamethrower here. Totally agree with you there:D Isn't that Q-Rau thing doing good thouhg? Seems like that fits the same market. In this case I'd be much more willing to buy the original Monster than the transformable one. I wonder if I'm in the minority. The Q-Rau is lucky to be selling that good. The original monster would be in the same league as the Millia Q-Rau pricewise, IMO, since both don't transform. Imode was right to question why the VB-6 looked lame if you look from the front. Doesn't look as menacing as in the lineart. I guess sometimes "life doesn't imitate art". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do not disturb Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Isn't that Q-Rau thing doing good thouhg? Seems like that fits the same market. In this case I'd be much more willing to buy the original Monster than the transformable one. I wonder if I'm in the minority. yeah, the q-rau is doing good but not at a $120. most shops in HK and the surrounding area aren't selling them for more than $80. only the folks in the US get the "special" price of $120. and you are not in the minority but i certainly wouldn't pay $100+ for a plain ol monster. how much do you think people are willing to spend on a robot that does absolutely nothing but just sits there? sure it might have some articulation but not enough that it would warrant such a high price tag. the way i see it is, the q-rau was the first and only toy of its kind, so i can see how yamato/sellers could somewhat justify the price since it is the only q-rau toy ever made. the $120 price is way ridiculous but hey, nobodies forcing anyone to buy it at that price. the monster(regular) has been produced as a toy 2 times, once by takatoku, and once by matchbox. in order words, its really not that rare nor is it the first of its kind. the koeing on the other hand is the first toy of its kind, so it could warrant a high price tag, but it shouldn't surpass the price of a non FP 1/48 IMHO. just from the comments/complaints alone in both koeing threads, theres no way yamato/retailer/etailer could justify a ridiculously high price tag. if they do, they'll be sitting on them for a long, long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLYC Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Isn't that Q-Rau thing doing good thouhg? Seems like that fits the same market. In this case I'd be much more willing to buy the original Monster than the transformable one. I wonder if I'm in the minority. yeah, the q-rau is doing good but not at a $120. most shops in HK and the surrounding area aren't selling them for more than $80. only the folks in the US get the "special" price of $120. and you are not in the minority but i certainly wouldn't pay $100+ for a plain ol monster. how much do you think people are willing to spend on a robot that does absolutely nothing but just sits there? sure it might have some articulation but not enough that it would warrant such a high price tag. the way i see it is, the q-rau was the first and only toy of its kind, so i can see how yamato/sellers could somewhat justify the price since it is the only q-rau toy ever made. the $120 price is way ridiculous but hey, nobodies forcing anyone to buy it at that price. the monster(regular) has been produced as a toy 2 times, once by takatoku, and once by matchbox. in order words, its really not that rare nor is it the first of its kind. the koeing on the other hand is the first toy of its kind, so it could warrant a high price tag, but it shouldn't surpass the price of a non FP 1/48 IMHO. just from the comments/complaints alone in both koeing threads, theres no way yamato/retailer/etailer could justify a ridiculously high price tag. if they do, they'll be sitting on them for a long, long time. despite any flaws or high price tags that may come with the monster, I don't think yamato will be 'sitting on them for a long time'. remember N.A. is not yamato's only market (where price will be higher). In addition many collectors will buy them regardless of price (since they're the first kind to be made), or even just for the sake of having a complete collection. Many ppl will complain but I think they'll still open their wallet at the end. just mho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignacio Ocamica Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 The koeing on the other hand is the first toy of its kind, so it could warrant a high price tag, but it shouldn't surpass the price of a non FP 1/48 IMHO. just from the comments/complaints alone in both koeing threads, theres no way yamato/retailer/etailer could justify a ridiculously high price tag. if they do, they'll be sitting on them for a long, long time. Because it´s the first toy of its kind, because it´s as tall as a 1/48 (but the VB-6 has more volume thus more material used), because the transformation is more complicated, because it has a lot of parts... Let me ad that we get a robot, a destoid monster and a shuttle, 3 in 1 (with the VF 1 series we get a plane and a robot ´cause gerwalk is a combination of the other two) ...Because all that, it will be more expensive than a non FP 1/48 valk. Disclaimer: all of the above will be the reasoning of Yamato (I share some of those thoughts) My guess is that it will cost a minimum of U$S 180 if not more. Note: the above price is not what I´m willing to pay, it´s what I firmly believe Yamato will charge us. I suck, I want the König Monster so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do not disturb Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 FYI dudes, yamato isn't charging us a thing. its the retailers and etailers that charge us. i.e. yamato can sell these wholesale to a retailer/etailer for let say $50. the retailer/etailers then come to this board or some other message boards to figure out the maximum amount they can charge. they in turn, take that info and mark it up to the max amount(lets say its $200) if they so chose. hence we got some expensive arse toy for no reason other than we can't keep our thoughts about prices to ourselves IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignacio Ocamica Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 FYI dudes,yamato isn't charging us a thing. its the retailers and etailers that charge us. i.e. yamato can sell these wholesale to a retailer/etailer for let say $50. the retailer/etailers then come to this board or some other message boards to figure out the maximum amount they can charge. they in turn, take that info and mark it up to the max amount(lets say its $200) if they so chose. hence we got some expensive arse toy for no reason other than we can't keep our thoughts about prices to ourselves IMHO. That´s why I say we´ll end up paying big bucks Couldn´t agree more with you haterist (But I believe it will have a high wholesale price tag) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imode Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 No, don't turn it into a "don't mention prices" thing anymore! Now you say the retailers are the ones doing it, but they only base their prices on the suggested retail price that Yamato gives them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignacio Ocamica Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Back on topic I like the sulpt a lot, I don´t think the cannons are on the short side. This toy is an almost perfect representation of the line art. I´ll say it again, the VB-6 König Monster is at the top of my buy list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 (edited) I like the way this guy looks.. I wish it was a little more squat in gerwalk mode, but I can deal. don't have a problem with the length of the cannons but I would like to see the little nose mounted turret though.. I always thought that was a nice realistic touch, on such a slow long range weapon you would want something for up close fighting. I am really hoping the price on this will be reasonable.. around the 100 dollar mark.. I know I'm dreaming but I think 120 or 160 is just way too much. Edited June 16, 2004 by eugimon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do not disturb Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 No, don't turn it into a "don't mention prices" thing anymore!Now you say the retailers are the ones doing it, but they only base their prices on the suggested retail price that Yamato gives them. as i've said on numerous occassions now, please feel free to discuss prices or whatever your heart desires. its a free country, do what you want, i don't really care. i'm simply giving my opinion(just like you are) with logical reasoning behind why i think, what i think. *the prices i used in my example are completely fictious. i know nothing of the actual wholesale prices of anything....though i've been in working in retail as a buyer for the past 11 years of my life, but what do i know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Well, we will have to see. when this will come out. I lile the VB-6 Konig Monster. Haterist is right about the 1/60 Monster. Price tag would not justify my spending on it even though I am willing to buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do not disturb Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Well, we will have to see. when this will come out. I lile the VB-6 Konig Monster. Haterist is right about the 1/60 Monster. Price tag would not justify my spending on it even though I am willing to buy it. for 300 bucks i'd rather get a new TV instead....or 2 more valks. i really do like the koeing monster a lot and i mean A LOT! especially after the pics of it painted and shown in all 3 modes, its totally friggin awesome! everything about it screams BUY ME! BUY ME! BUY ME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonely Soldier Boy Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 I'll buy it. And not just because I'm a K. Monster fan. I love the way Yamato concealed the many articulations on the toes-flaps section. The resin kit is not that sleek. The lack of detail and that horrible pink are my main concerns, but I'll get it. Oh yes, I will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 (edited) Well, I hope they have a weathered, beat-up looking version to compensate for the lack of detail. I want it looking sort of similar in age to those dirty AT-ATs from the original star wars trilogy rather than all shiny and new. If I can only get one, I would choose a battle-worn version over a shiny, clean-looking edition. I just think heavier mecha look cooler when they old and dirty. Maybe even sprinkle some sand or something to suggest it's been in a dusty, rugged environment... the uglier the better I say Edited June 17, 2004 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbs357 Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 I'm guessing at least $120 for Mr. Monster. Can't wait for my month-long ramen diet when this guy is released. Heck. The only problem with that is that I live off of Ramen all the time... I have no fine living funds to cut into for toys. ='[ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synch Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 Why do these jets cost so freagn much?! Or rather Why Can't I aford one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel's Fury Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 Why do these jets cost so freagn much?! Or rather Why Can't I aford one! Got a job?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 Why do these jets cost so freagn much?! Â Or rather Why Can't I aford one! Â Â Â Â Â Got a job?? Typical response from an american capitalist oppressor!!! Why can't yamato make these valks for much cheaper when there is such a high plastic surplus? and surely the CAD design should drive down costs! Valks should be free! We should be able to get them with our morning newspapers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synch Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 Yes I have a job hoser! All I know is that you use to b eable to get a jetfire for around $50 something if that! With all the armor & all! So hell ya these thigns seem expensive to me! If someone wants to put up a list of an reasonable explination of why they cost so much then I'm all ears BTW I'm all for the morning newspaper thing I'll take one blue jet & then one red jet for a start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurin Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 (edited) Yes I have a job hoser!  All I know is that you use to b eable to get a jetfire for around $50 something if that! With all the armor & all!  So hell ya these thigns seem expensive to me!  If someone wants to put up a list of an reasonable explination of why they cost so much then I'm all ears Because sellers choose a price that will bring them the most money while not alienating too many customers. Basic economics. The market drives the price. It's priced that way because we're willing to pay it. It's the classic balancing act. . . find a price point where a lot of people buy it. . . not so high that too many are turned off. . . not so low that you're selling lots of them for next-to-nothing. If some seller prices it too high, we'll go elsewhere. If someone prices it too low, he'll sell out quickly and not make as much as he could have. . . leaving his competition to make more by selling what he has at a higher price. (which is a recipe for having your business fail). Finally, don't make the mistake of thinking that a product's price is based on how much it costs the manufacturer to produce that item. That is only a minor consideration (in that it sets a price floor in most cases). The price of an item is set by the market, not by its production costs. H Edited June 17, 2004 by Hurin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do not disturb Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 wow! i think this is a first but i couldn't agree with you more Hurin. who would've thunk it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurin Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 wow! i think this is a first but i couldn't agree with you more Hurin. who would've thunk it? Well, yes, but we disagree about how much our input here matters. But let's leave that alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 wow! i think this is a first but i couldn't agree with you more Hurin. who would've thunk it? I think Hell froze over. Anyways, it is just basic economic law of supply and demand and that sets the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do not disturb Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 wow! i think this is a first but i couldn't agree with you more Hurin. who would've thunk it? I think Hell froze over. Anyways, it is just basic economic law of supply and demand and that sets the price. buurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr its cold in here! i guess its official then, we kissed and made up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 was it as good for you as it was for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do not disturb Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 was it as good for you as it was for him? it was better for him of course. i got me some pouty lips, but keep it on the DL... i don't want other guys getting jealous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrClay Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 wow! i think this is a first but i couldn't agree with you more Hurin. who would've thunk it? I think Hell froze over. Anyways, it is just basic economic law of supply and demand and that sets the price. according to the dante, hell is frozen at it's deepest levels.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synch Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 So how much do these suckers actaully cost in japan then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do not disturb Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 So how much do these suckers actaully cost in japan then? you can find them at TRU japan for $90 at full retail with typical discounting for sales and clearances. theres one member here who paid on average of $86 per valk including ones with FP's and ones without! i wish really wish he was my best friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synch Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 What are " FP's" agaiN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do not disturb Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 What are " FP's" agaiN? FP = Fast pack. please use the search function for simple questions....even difficult ones can be answered as the "search function" here actually works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurin Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 What are " FP's" agaiN? FP = Fast pack. please use the search function for simple questions....even difficult ones can be answered as the "search function" here actually works. He might have. . . except the search function won't work for words under four characters long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 What are " FP's" agaiN? FP = Fast pack. please use the search function for simple questions....even difficult ones can be answered as the "search function" here actually works. He might have. . . except the search function won't work for words under four characters long. and really, why get all upset over a simple question? Does it really detract from your enjoyment so much that you have to answer and then comment on his question? How about we lay off on the newbies and only go after chronic offenders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 As for the perceived lack of panel lines, I think that some of them are perhaps not showing up well in the photos due to the lighting and the color of the plastic, but they are there. And remember, Yamato should only put whatever panel lines are on Kawamori's lineart. I personally don't agree with adding additional non-canon panel lines just for the sake of having more detail, as Hasegawa are prone to do with their Macross model kits. Regarding the length of the 4 top cannon, well this is limited by necessity. The cannon have to be able to fit inside in shuttle modeso can only be as long as the internal bay in shuttle mode. And I'm hoping the small 30mm chest gun will be on the final version. Judging from the photos, I suspect this is still not quite the final version. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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