newca Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 one (like VF-0) ? two (once I saw in a 3D CG pic) ? none (how to landing on carrier) ? if asked by someone before, pls forgive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Bandai HCM has two hooks, which are stowed in the rear landing gear wells. Better evidence is probably somewhere in Macross Design Works or Macross Perfect Memory. Oh wait. Why didn't I look in the compendium in the first place? http://macross.anime.net/mecha/united_nati.../vf1/index.html LANDING GEAR: Retractable tricycle undercarriage. Two steerable nosewheels retract rearward into nose and twin coupled mainwheels inward into fuselage. Two arresting hooks mounted underfuselage on engine nacelles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stamen0083 Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 That's interesting... I thought they sometimes land on carriers by hovering in Gerwalk mode. Which begs the question... how to they get the Gerwalks back into plane mode when it's standing? Special rigs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 That's interesting... I thought they sometimes land on carriers by hovering in Gerwalk mode.Which begs the question... how to they get the Gerwalks back into plane mode when it's standing? Special rigs? In Carriers? I assume so. I mean in the TV series, you see the overhead cranes holding them up at least in the Prometheus hangar deck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the white drew carey Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 In Perfect Memory they show an SD Max VF-1J extending it's arms to catch the landing cable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull-1 Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Personally I think multiple tail hooks are rather silly. Gawd help you if you snare one and not the other... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stamen0083 Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Personally I think multiple tail hooks are rather silly. Gawd help you if you snare one and not the other... Indeed. Of course, if you have an advanced computer, you can adjust the power output of the opposite engine to compensate. Or just get into Gerwalk mode and forego the hook(s) altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anubis Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 In atmosphere yeah, they'll land normally I guess. In space they always landed in gerwalk right into the hangar bay. I suppose they could do the same on ground if they wanted to. They seemed to like to go traditional when on Earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newca Posted March 10, 2004 Author Share Posted March 10, 2004 (edited) "Two arresting hooks mounted underfuselage on engine nacelles" a really bad idea VF-0 has only one hook, maybe the VF-1's computer is more advance than 0 to assure both hooks catch the (same) cable... but I don't think 1's low speed performance is better than 0 due to the small wing acreage, what a trustless design! make me remember the Wildcat time in WWII! Edited March 10, 2004 by newca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coota0 Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Personally I think multiple tail hooks are rather silly. Gawd help you if you snare one and not the other... My thoughts exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-19 Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 I'd like to point out that the Prometheus is also longer than a regular carrier. A VF may be able to land on one without the use of a arrestor hook. As to landing in Gerwalk mode, a careful look at the Hasegawa decal placement diagrams shows three points on the fuselage that shows the mechanics where they can attach an overhead crane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GobotFool Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 You know, that is the one thing the 1/48th yamato is missing. It seriously needs a tail hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Just gotta echo everyone else: 2 hooks are a BAD idea. VF-19: non-arrested landings for normal fighter jets require thousands of feet. Prometheus needs to be *gigantic* to be long enough to have room for a normal roll-out. (Never seen a valk yet with reversers, nor drag chute) Plus, it'd slow down air operations. One of the oft-forgotten benefits of an arrested landing is that it only takes like 2 secs, then the plane's already moving out of the way for the next one to land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justvinnie Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 I always presume that the two hooks actually connected together in the center... vinnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Where and how? Also, the problem of snagging the cable with one and not the other still remains---instant massive yaw, likely destroying the plane. When you snag the cable, it is trying REAL hard not to move, it is pulling the hook with tremendous force as it reels out. (They're adjustable for how hard they'll pull--if you set it for an F-14, and an F-18 landed, the cable wouldn't budge an inch, and the F-18 would probably have its back end ripped out, or be stopped in midair instantly and fall to the deck) You hook one, that part of the plane stops moving, and the rest will swing around REAL fast. Which is why real planes have the hook mounted perfectly in the center. Sometimes you will see a "split" one with multiple attachment points to the fuselage, but it always ends in one central hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newca Posted March 10, 2004 Author Share Posted March 10, 2004 still don't have an official conclusion, do we? the VF-1's bottom is too small to attach a center hook just like VF-0 design IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 The Compendium is official. Anyway, there's a picture on p. 33 of Macross Design Works and on page 152 of Perfect Memory which appears to show one of the hooks and text pointing to it that may say exactly what it is. There's a picture on the same page that shows a Valk coming in for landing. Part of the same text appears--based on puzzling out the kana, it looks like it says "arrest[something]". Here's the picture from MPM: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newca Posted March 10, 2004 Author Share Posted March 10, 2004 oh,no~I found it too...terrible...poor UN NAVY pilots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindenathus Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 At least the hooks hang real low, and if the cable is held high... What the hell an I saying? twin hooks pretty much means broken plane if not broken pilot. Landing in gerwalk sounds good. After seeing that pic it sound real good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Where's that picture from, newca? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhafabio Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 oh,no~I found it too...terrible...poor UN NAVY pilots ewilen Posted on Mar 10 2004, 12:04 PM Â Where's that picture from, newca? Thanks any chance it has a bigger brother like a desktop pic size one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbs357 Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Seems to me that it wouldn't be too hard to land a VF-1 perfectly level with all of it's fly by wire stuff going on. And there's really no where to put a single hook, have to go with two. Well, maybe two could be put in the arms and attatch together at the end somehow, but are the arms strong enough to take that? and would the attachment be strong enough for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Interesting to see the hooks ar where the rear landing gear is. I know that the Robotech MPCs have the tailhook where one of the landing gear resides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Seems to me that it wouldn't be too hard to land a VF-1 perfectly level with all of it's fly by wire stuff going on.And there's really no where to put a single hook, have to go with two. Well, maybe two could be put in the arms and attatch together at the end somehow, but are the arms strong enough to take that? and would the attachment be strong enough for that? Landing an airplane perfectly level may not be hard, but keeping the aircraft carrier perfectly level is! I think if Kawamori wanted to redesign the arrestor gear, he could either make the arms a tiny bit skinnier and put the hook between them, or mount the hook near the inner edge of one arm (perhaps even having a sort of offset in the other arm to get the hook dead-center). I'm sure the arms are strong enough since Valks can crash through buildings without a dent. As things stand, maybe the gear itself detects whether both hooks have caught the cable, and if not, it instantly lets go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Interesting to see the hooks ar where the rear landing gear is. I know that the Robotech MPCs have the tailhook where one of the landing gear resides. General opinion is the the MPC's are strongly influenced by the HCM design. But are you saying the MPC's only have a hook in one wheel well? That would be really stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nani?! Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 The Compendium is official. Anyway, there's a picture on p. 33 of Macross Design Works and on page 152 of Perfect Memory which appears to show one of the hooks and text pointing to it that may say exactly what it is. There's a picture on the same page that shows a Valk coming in for landing. Part of the same text appears--based on puzzling out the kana, it looks like it says "arrest[something]".Here's the picture from MPM: Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but According to the illustration of the VF-1a in the image Ewilen posted, the "mosquito nose" of the 1/60 yamatos that everyone complained about seems pretty accurate. This was probably mentioned before, but given I don't own MPM, it just hit me when I saw that pic. anywayzzz, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newca Posted March 11, 2004 Author Share Posted March 11, 2004 sorry, I uploaded it from my HD, maybe the original source is some Japanese site, they have many 3DCG pics. two-arms-joint hook sounds acceptable, is there any possibility make the back pack to contain a hook just like the VF-0? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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