tekering Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, troyness said: can the arms slide along the torso at the hinge? Well, it's more of a swing than a slide... as is typical of Legioss toys. That's a thin hinge you don't want to put stress on, especially the shearing force required to rotate the arms at the shoulder: I recommend stabilizing that joint with a pair of plyers so it doesn't get twisted the wrong way when rotating the arm. You'll likely scratch up the paint on the joint, but paint scratches are preferably to a broken shoulder joint, right? Even so, this is as high as I managed to get the gun arm; about a quarter-turn was the best I was able to achieve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobber Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I also got my shipping notification from Amazon. Also with a Friday delivery update. We shall see! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troyness Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Thanks tekering. How are your ankle/hip joints? How's base/stand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 7 hours ago, snakerbot said: I just got a delivery date change notification from Amazon JP. Was 7/03-7/06, now 6/26-6/29. Be on the lookout, those of you who ordered there! It's shipping DHL, I don't know why that will take over a week to get here this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 3 hours ago, tekering said: Well, it's more of a swing than a slide... as is typical of Legioss toys. That's a thin hinge you don't want to put stress on, especially the shearing force required to rotate the arms at the shoulder: The whole time I was watching the transformation videos I kept thinking "why isn't this joint metal?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyffon Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I hope this part doesnt develop the cyclone syndrome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackpot Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 44 minutes ago, Mommar said: The whole time I was watching the transformation videos I kept thinking "why isn't this joint metal?" I don't think a metal joint is preferable. I'd think of a Metal Build and those metal joints get quite loose over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperHobo Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 51 minutes ago, Mommar said: The whole time I was watching the transformation videos I kept thinking "why isn't this joint metal?" TREX the designer claimed the shoulder joint is indeed metal. The painted grey makes it looks like plastic. I imagine the paint on the metal is making the joint tighter than it needs to be.... probably should have been toleranced better at the factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobber Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, SuperHobo said: TREX the designer claimed the shoulder joint is indeed metal. The painted grey makes it looks like plastic. I imagine the paint on the metal is making the joint tighter than it needs to be.... probably should have been toleranced better at the factory. I was just going to say that it looked metal to me in the close-up pictures posted above, but I don’t have one in hand yet. Glad my old eye’s aren’t that off yet. Chris Edited June 22, 2020 by Dobber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKT Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Yeah shoulder joint looks metal on 2nd glance.. I wonder if the landing gears are also the same painted grey metal. They looked like plastic in the previously posted first transformation video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enphily Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 stupid COVID, i want my Legioss NAO! 23 minutes ago, MKT said: Yeah shoulder joint looks metal on 2nd glance.. I wonder if the landing gears are also the same painted grey metal. They looked like plastic in the previously posted first transformation video. someone already broked his landing gear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignacio Ocamica Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 And someone else broke one leg where it rotates/connects to the metal structure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I'm actually curious what broke on that leg, it looks like the screw holding the leg to the hip sheared off. The dark gray piece looks intact, and looks like he had to drill out and replace the screw. All things considered, as terrible as breakages are, it's really encouraging to see that many screws being used in assembly, and how relatively easy it looks to disassemble and repair when necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enphily Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ignacio Ocamica said: And someone else broke one leg where it rotates/connects to the metal structure i thought it was just assembled wrong so he disassembled it and fixed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignacio Ocamica Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, enphily said: i thought it was just assembled wrong so he disassembled it and fixed it As Chronocidal said, the screw connecting the leg sheared off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoebarry Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 ARRIVED!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladykins Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Interesting- wasn't expecting it to come in fighter mode in the clamshell. Thanks for the shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladykins Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Also, I'm getting more and more excited the more pictures I see. Can't wait for a month or so from now when BBTS finally gets mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anubis20 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 If anyone needs the mini figs painted LMK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoebarry Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, anubis20 said: If anyone needs the mini figs painted LMK The mini figure is soooooooooo fragile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh9000 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Ignacio Ocamica said: And someone else broke one leg where it rotates/connects to the metal structure For a second I had a Robocop 2 Cain vibe from that pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Aviator Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 16 hours ago, Shawn said: Did someone think the Bandai DX SV 262 was just too easy to transform and we needed to 'up the game' ?? I literally was anxious watching this video seeing all the was needed to get it from one mode to the other, especially at this scale. Every movement revealed another panel to open or slide or unhinge. It is an engineering marvel for sure, but I don't know if I have it in me to tackle this.... Definitely super complicated transformation! I dare not to buy it and transform it. It involves too many pivots. I doubt these pivots durability, especially from Sentinel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M'Kyuun Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, SuperHobo said: TREX the designer claimed the shoulder joint is indeed metal. The painted grey makes it looks like plastic. I imagine the paint on the metal is making the joint tighter than it needs to be.... probably should have been toleranced better at the factory. I'm glad it's metal, as it should be, along with all the other joints, especially compact ones like this that are under stress from weight and torsion. My only critique is that it's not ratcheted, as these joints are going to loosen over time with any amount of handling, and probably just from gravity. I'm a firm believer in ratchets, so long as they have adequate strength to bear their load, and they have a high number of detents for better posing. Concerning the leg and landing gear breakages, it seems an unfortunate trend with these modern highly posable toys that, even with metal being utilized, there's a certain fragility that's inherent, and to be expected . I wish they could give them the stoutness of the old Chunky Monkey while upgrading the articulation/transformation joints. Toy engineering is leaps and bounds ahead of where it was 30+ years ago, but the tradeoff of structural integrity for greater articulation seems like something that would be improving by now. Guess not. Hopefully material science will pave the way for the best of both worlds over the next few decades (hopefully before I'm pushing daisies). Anyway, the caveat here is to handle this thing gingerly, and use pliers and other stabilizing tools, at least initially, to avoid catastrophic breakages. Thanks to those posting these cautionary pics and vids; it's good to be informed. Edited June 22, 2020 by M'Kyuun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekering Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, SuperHobo said: TREX the designer claimed the shoulder joint is indeed metal. If you've got any of Sentinel's Mospeada ride-armor, you know what to expect here. Lots of little metal parts interacting with plastic parts, and parts start popping off as soon as you touch it... This winglet immediately popped off mine, and continues to do so EVERY time I touch it. I'm considering actually drilling a hole through it and mounting a pin in there, so it won't keep falling off. 2 hours ago, Masked Aviator said: Definitely super complicated transformation! I dare not to buy it and transform it. There are some nerve-wracking moments, that's for sure... Squeezing the clear plastic canopy with painted frame through that diecast-metal assembly is really difficult, and no fun at all. It's even worse than the DX Chogokin YF-19 in that respect. You can see how the plastic nubs on either side of the cockpit module get mashed up really quickly. Basically, you're getting the same thing TakaraTomy (and comparable third-party products) provide with their latest Transformers Masterpiece line: a figure that looks proportionally-accurate in each mode, but re-invents the wheel in order to get it there. I almost wish some "fourth-party" Chinese company like (Wei Jiang) would produce an oversized knock-off, 'cause it's really over-engineered for such a small figure. 2 hours ago, sjoebarry said: The mini figure is soooooooooo fragile Well, yes and no. It falls apart at the slightest touch, yes... ...but breakage is an unlikely result, since the parts just pop back together. It also makes the individual pieces easier to paint, and will probably fit together better after a few coats are applied, actually. 2 hours ago, anubis20 said: If anyone needs the mini figs painted LMK I've got commissioned work that has to take priority, but I can't wait to paint all these guys in matching armor... ...and I'm really happy the pilot figure is a consistent 1:48 scale, 'cause he fits right in with all the resin and 3D-printed fan-produced merchandise available. However... In trying to follow the bogus official stats, Sentinel ended up with a totally-inconsistent Legioss scale. See the Evolution Toys Legioss is considerably larger -- a more legitimate 1:48 scale -- yet their pack-in figures are closer to 1:60. Sentinel errs in the opposite direction, with a Legioss about 1:60 and a 1:48 figure! Compare the similarly-sized Toynami Alpha, and you can see how absurdly different the pilot scales are... Sentinel's pilot BARELY fits into his cockpit. If this figure is supposed to be an average-sized soldier, like Stig or Ray, there's no way a tall guy like Yellow would be able to fly a Legioss...! 3 hours ago, enphily said: someone already broked his landing gear Well, they're really difficult to extract. Don't even attempt it, without appropriate tools. They've got actual rubber tires, though! 9 hours ago, troyness said: How are your ankle/hip joints? How's base/stand? Both are robust and very-well articulated. They're likely to loosen up over time, of course, but this is not a figure you'll want to play with much. It's the most insanely posable Legioss ever, of course, but it's such a nightmare to transform that you're likely to just keep it on the shelf in a pretty pose, and avoid touching it as much as possible. Especially if you want to display it with a Toynami Beta/Aoshima Tread... Since it's pretty much identical in size to the Toynami/Aoshima toys, it works just as well... but it's even more precarious. My Toynami Alpha and Beta fit together a little better, since there's enough space to fold the Beta cockpit between the Alpha's legs there... The Sentinel's a little tighter, though, meaning the arms gets forced apart a little. Plus, the royal blue on the Sentinel doesn't match the slate bluish-grey on the Toynami toys (but would probably match the Aoshima paint pretty closely). I'm sure jenius will provide a proper comparison. In the meantime: I expect to see a flood of Toynami "Masterpiece" Alphas on the secondary market soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 The scale looks perfect to me. It's supposed to be 10.25 meters long in fighter which would be about 21.5cm long. Soldier should be 8.75 meters tall or so like 18cm tall. The Evolution Toy is the funky one, that thing is like 1/40 in soldier and 1/30 in fighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mog Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, tekering said: Especially if you want to display it with a Toynami Beta/Aoshima Tread... Since it's pretty much identical in size to the Toynami/Aoshima toys, it works just as well... but it's even more precarious. The Sentinel's a little tighter, though, meaning the arms gets forced apart a little. Plus, the royal blue on the Sentinel doesn't match the slate bluish-grey on the Toynami toys (but would probably match the Aoshima paint pretty closely). I'm sure jenius will provide a proper comparison. In the meantime: I expect to see a flood of Toynami "Masterpiece" Alphas on the secondary market soon. Thanks for the pics and comments. So, based on what I’m seeing here, it looks like Sentinel’s Tread will be “thinner”/skinnier between the two white circles in the chest. That will probably allow the gaps between the legs and center fuselage to be smaller in bomber mode and allow there to be less of a gap between the center yellow array and the leg boosters in bomber mode. However, I wonder how that’s gonna impact the Tread’s cockpit size. I’m speculating that cockpit will rotate so that a proper Armo-Soldier chest can be displayed. But the Legioss’ arms look like they’ll go in pretty deep into the Tread. As far as selling off the MPC’s, I sold my greenie and Shadow years ago. But I’ll probably still hold on to the two blues I got (and the red I got I fighter mode). Believe me, I know how sucky the Alphas are. But I waited way too many years for the Betas, and you can’t have the Betas without sporting the Alphas with ‘em. Edited June 22, 2020 by Mog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knuckles7173 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 @tekering Thanks for the pics and reviews. They are great! Now here's hoping Sentinel releases the blue Tread/Beta next before the red Legioss/Alpha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain america Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 QC issues aside, I really like what Sentinel did with the Legioss. While I would have preferred it to be at least 15% larger and have more painted plastic (because in a few years, that nice white plastic will be quite yellow) it's still a great effort that gets extra points for ingenuity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DewPoint Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I'm guessing that a green Legioss will be next and that it will have to also sell well before we even hear a hint of a Tread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanedaestes Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 They’ve already shown the red so odds are that will be next. Who knows when or if a tread is coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levzloi Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I believe they've already teased the red Legioss, so most likely that next with the green following, and then HOPEFULLY someday a TREAD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DewPoint Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 I really do like the proportions of this version. I totally forgot about the red Legioss prototype that was shown. For some reason I only recall the initial red and white prototype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyffon Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 I think there were final paint pics of zeta alphas already, so my guess is, that is going to come out 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKT Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 @tekering Thanks for all the pics & comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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