Mospeada

[jenius]

Who is the "them" in your question? The speakerpodcast guys or Sentinel?

Sentinel definitely knows about it. Yaco knows Sentinel and Yaco has documented the issue for them and others. 

[MKT]

Here I'm wondering, if Sentinel's Tread toy was made to be non-transformable and bomber mode only, how palatable would it be? It would certainly keep the costs down.

After all, Tread seemingly exist in collections mostly as a bomber-mode add-on to the Legioss fighter / soldier mode  - much like how Macross super packs / armors goes onto the Valkyries..

 

[Mog]

^^Nope, wouldn’t want if non-transformable.  At all.

Part of the appeal is that the bomber can be solo, turns into a robot/mecha on its own, and combines with both the Legioss Armo Solider and Legioss fighter modes.

It ain’t like a FAST, Strike, or Armored Pack;  it’s its own mecha entity.

[Tober]

52 minutes ago, MKT said:

Here I'm wondering, if Sentinel's Tread toy was made to be non-transformable and bomber mode only, how palatable would it be? It would certainly keep the costs down.

After all, Tread seemingly exist in collections mostly as a bomber-mode add-on to the Legioss fighter / soldier mode  - much like how Macross super packs / armors goes onto the Valkyries..

Nope, because...

s-l500

[MKT]

1 hour ago, Tober said:

Nope, because...

s-l500

 

  Well, the Tread better have a beefy crotch connection piece then..

 

[Ignacio Ocamica]

[sqidd]

44 minutes ago, Ignacio Ocamica said:

COOL!!!!

[sqidd]

I've asked this before. But I forgot the answer.

 

Again, I'm considering getting a Toynami Alpha/Beta to display in fighter mode. I want blue. Am I correct that these two units are what makes a Alpha/Beta in blue?

-Toynami MPC Alpha VFA-6H Scott Bernard

-Tynami MPC Beta VFB-9H Rand

I know these aren't exactly known for top quality. I'm thinking I would not transform them and just display them in fighter mode. I'm not sure I want to wait the 1-2-3 years it will take Sentinel to come out with a Beta. If ever. What say you?

[Convectuoso]

2 minutes ago, sqidd said:

I've asked this before. But I forgot the answer.

 

Again, I'm considering getting a Toynami Alpha/Beta to display in fighter mode. I want blue. Am I correct that these two units are what makes a Alpha/Beta in blue?

-Toynami MPC Alpha VFA-6H Scott Bernard

-Tynami MPC Beta VFB-9H Rand

Yes. Those two are the ones you need

[Mommar]

7 hours ago, Tober said:

Nope, because...

s-l500

I'd be getting a Tread specifically to try to recreate this image.  Hopefully Sentinel includes some hard points/missiles and that other gun.

I pre-ordered two Blue Legioss in anticipation of doing this with a Tread.

[Mog]

2 hours ago, sqidd said:

Again, I'm considering getting a Toynami Alpha/Beta to display in fighter mode. I want blue. Am I correct that these two units are what makes a Alpha/Beta in blue?

-Toynami MPC Alpha VFA-6H Scott Bernard

-Tynami MPC Beta VFB-9H Rand

I know these aren't exactly known for top quality. I'm thinking I would not transform them and just display them in fighter mode. I'm not sure I want to wait the 1-2-3 years it will take Sentinel to come out with a Beta. If ever. What say you?

Exactly what @Convectuoso said.  

Also, the Alphas are as fragile and brittle and requiring kid gloves as everyone has claimed.

But the Betas are generally solidly-built toys with ratchet joints in all the key spots.  They got nowhere near the issues that the Alphas have.

50 minutes ago, Mommar said:

I'd be getting a Tread specifically to try to recreate this image.  Hopefully Sentinel includes some hard points/missiles and that other gun.

I pre-ordered two Blue Legioss in anticipation of doing this with a Tread.

My only minor concern with the hard points are that they’d have to widen the gap in the forearms to get the wing and its hard points to fit.

But missiles and the Gatling gun would be nice add-ons.

Edited February 13, 2020 by Mog

[sqidd]

2 hours ago, Convectuoso said:

Yes. Those two are the ones you need

Thank you. I just pulled the trigger on a Toynami Alpha/Beta both MISB for $550. Not too shabby I suppose. They will work great to display in fighter mode I think.

I canceled one of my two Evolution Legioss's (Legioss'?) that I was going to display in fighter mode. So there is a bit of a "push" going on there.

 

Can someone tell me the best stand(s) for the Alpha/Beta? I'm guessing Flightpose stands?? Like two of them? Anyone have their displayed like this? Did you use two the same size or are the sizes staggered so the Alpha/Beta isn't nose down?

 

Thanks!

[edstuff]

I'm debating one of the Sentinel ride armors. But I can only get one. 

If you were limited to one which one would you get?

Edit: I'm debating Ray, possibly yellow

Edited February 13, 2020 by edstuff

[jenius]

1 hour ago, sqidd said:

Thank you. I just pulled the trigger on a Toynami Alpha/Beta both MISB for $550. Not too shabby I suppose. They will work great to display in fighter mode I think.

I canceled one of my two Evolution Legioss's (Legioss'?) that I was going to display in fighter mode. So there is a bit of a "push" going on there.

 

Can someone tell me the best stand(s) for the Alpha/Beta? I'm guessing Flightpose stands?? Like two of them? Anyone have their displayed like this? Did you use two the same size or are the sizes staggered so the Alpha/Beta isn't nose down?

 

Thanks!

The connection in fighter mode does pretty well so long as you don't angle the nose down too much. I had no problem using flight pose stands for combined fighter mode. I own three and have swapped the rods around a bit.

If you don't worry about banking, they do come with a stand that locks things pretty solid

If you're going to do partially transformed or varied combinations, you'll start needing two stands

doing anything exciting beyond straight fighter mode takes some time and patience to figure out. It took a long time for me to figure out how to balance all that weight. Again though, a combined fighter mode is pretty straightforward.

 

[sqidd]

42 minutes ago, jenius said:

The connection in fighter mode does pretty well so long as you don't angle the nose down too much. I had no problem using flight pose stands for combined fighter mode. I own three and have swapped the rods around a bit.

If you don't worry about banking, they do come with a stand that locks things pretty solid

If you're going to do partially transformed or varied combinations, you'll start needing two stands

doing anything exciting beyond straight fighter mode takes some time and patience to figure out. It took a long time for me to figure out how to balance all that weight. Again though, a combined fighter mode is pretty straightforward.

 

Excellent! Thank you very much.

[Mog]

2 hours ago, edstuff said:

I'm debating one of the Sentinel ride armors. But I can only get one. 

If you were limited to one which one would you get?

Edit: I'm debating Ray, possibly yellow

Obviously, go with your favorite character. 

If you have no preference, Yellow does come with the saddlebags, the beam gun, and the beam rifle.

Ray just comes with his pea shooter, no other accessories, and a pretty plain armor with no markings.

This is, of course, assuming both are the same price, which you’ll probably wanna check.

[edstuff]

38 minutes ago, Mog said:

Obviously, go with your favorite character. 

If you have no preference, Yellow does come with the saddlebags, the beam gun, and the beam rifle.

Ray just comes with his pea shooter, no other accessories, and a pretty plain armor with no markings.

This is, of course, assuming both are the same price, which you’ll probably wanna check.

Hmmmm I may be leaning more towards Yellow then. I do like the blades. 

[blackconvoy_D01]

3 hours ago, edstuff said:

I'm debating one of the Sentinel ride armors. But I can only get one. 

If you were limited to one which one would you get?

Edit: I'm debating Ray, possibly yellow

Yellow

[Mommar]

5 hours ago, Mog said:

My only minor concern with the hard points are that they’d have to widen the gap in the forearms to get the wing and its hard points to fit.

But missiles and the Gatling gun would be nice add-ons.

Not if the hard points are inset.

[Mog]

29 minutes ago, Mommar said:

Not if the hard points are inset.

Like I said, “minor” concern. 

More pressing, I do hope they can:

1). Improve the gap behind the bomber cockpit (and probably come up with a way to integrate in the Armo-Soldier chestplate with it too).

2). Minimize the gaps between the two main boosters and the central array (and likewise, minimize the gap between the thighs and center fuselage in bomber mode);

3). Incorporate the shoulder missile hatches that CM’s has;

4).  Have the Legioss lock in place securely and have the overall fighter combo look good; and

5).  Find a way to attach the Gatling gun in bomber and in fighter combo mode.

[Mommar]

24 minutes ago, Mog said:

Like I said, “minor” concern. 

More pressing, I do hope they can:

1). Improve the gap behind the bomber cockpit (and probably come up with a way to integrate in the Armo-Soldier chestplate with it too).

2). Minimize the gaps between the two main boosters and the central array (and likewise, minimize the gap between the thighs and center fuselage in bomber mode);

3). Incorporate the shoulder missile hatches that CM’s has;

4).  Have the Legioss lock in place securely and have the overall fighter combo look good; and

5).  Find a way to attach the Gatling gun in bomber and in fighter combo mode.

We'll see how they pull of the Legioss.  Except for that one damn failing part on the Bikes they seems to be pretty thorough/clever with their designs.  I think Sentinel are certainly capable of pulling off everything you've listed.

[jenius]

I think the bike and Legioss are both T-Rex designs. 

[Mog]

I suspect part of the reason the Toynami Beta was so “leg gappy” in bomber was to accommodate the Alpha fitting into that gap for the fighter combo.

I’m hoping that with Sentinel’s more compact design for the Legioss’ backside and feet/exhausts, this will eliminate the need for that design compromise gap, allowing the Tread’s legs to be closer to the center fuselage.

Honestly, the Toynami Beta design would be a good starting point for Sentinel to build upon.

[enphily]

Just found an article with some new photos in different angles

https://tobiuo72.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-2972.html

There is a little more pictures than in my post

Edited February 14, 2020 by enphily

[MKT]

Can’t believe how much difference the slightly canted wings of the Legioss makes. It just makes the whole fighter profile look that much more amazing.

[mark-1s]

9 hours ago, enphily said:

Just found an article with some new photos in different angles

https://tobiuo72.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-2972.html

There is a little more pictures than in my post

That shoulder joint on the Zeta looks a little delicate.

Edited February 14, 2020 by mark-1s
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[no3Ljm]

3 hours ago, mark-1s said:

That shoulder joint on the Zeta looks a little delicate.

I have to agree. It looks like it.

 

[Mog]

I’m hoping those joints are made of metal or some durable POM(?) plastic.

More important though, I really hope that whole shoulder assembly can hold a pose and not get floppy over time.

[Ignacio Ocamica]

Well the Evolution Toys Legioss has a similar shoulder joint, it's metal and ratcheted, and despite ET's not so great build quality it holds poses and so far no breakages.

I guess if Sentinel chooses the right materials and the joint has the right tolerances, it should be fine.

[Tober]

On 2/14/2020 at 8:14 AM, Mog said:

Like I said, “minor” concern. 

More pressing, I do hope they can:

1). Improve the gap behind the bomber cockpit (and probably come up with a way to integrate in the Armo-Soldier chestplate with it too).

2). Minimize the gaps between the two main boosters and the central array (and likewise, minimize the gap between the thighs and center fuselage in bomber mode);

3). Incorporate the shoulder missile hatches that CM’s has;

4).  Have the Legioss lock in place securely and have the overall fighter combo look good; and

5).  Find a way to attach the Gatling gun in bomber and in fighter combo mode.

I wonder how many design liberties Sentinel will take with the Tread. Their Legioss is nice, but not 100% accurate. 

[Mog]

Well, it's a relatively "simple" transformation process, not too many ways for the Tread's arms and legs to transform.

The proverbial devil will be in the features, accessories, Legioss connection mechanisms, added articulation, and little details they'll work in.

[anime52k8]

4 hours ago, Tober said:

I wonder how many design liberties Sentinel will take with the Tread. Their Legioss is nice, but not 100% accurate. 

As many liberties as it takes to make it cool.

[Major Tom]

There is a video from wonder fest 2020 here at 28:02 for Sentinel

 

Edited February 15, 2020 by Major Tom

[Perxion]

Finally Yellow arrived!

[Mommar]

On 2/14/2020 at 8:17 PM, Tober said:

I wonder how many design liberties Sentinel will take with the Tread. Their Legioss is nice, but not 100% accurate. 

Their Legioss is not based off of the original animation lineart.  In terms of the alternative artwork it is based off of it's accurate.