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7 minutes ago, RedWolf said:
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Macross 13 aka Battle 13 is a thing. Fielded by Earth or Federal NUNS. In 2050-51 Macross 13 was taken over by Earth supremacists and had to be destroyed. 

 

In 2059 Kim Kabirov is in command of Macross 13. These things are expensive but remember who builds them, General Galaxy. Macross  7 Fleet was constructing a new Battle 7 after the original  was lost as seen in MD7.

Megacorps fund fleets. Megacorps can also buy a Macross from the local government  like in Macross E. 

 

The decks may indicate the wreck of Battle Galaxy may have been recovered , sold off and refurbished. 

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Yea but if I remember right the Macross 7 internal and hull is still in one piece and they just have to recovered it then fix it. Since building a massive ship like that with barely nothing but with just handful resources onboard Islands is unrealistic to be honest. As in Macross E yes they can purchase a Macross through local Government since it a small, or old decommissioned Macross class Battleship since Battle-class is only use for fleet scale and having a Battle-class with only handful of personnel in local company branch is unnecessary and it cost in maintenance will go over head. I will stay with my "NUNS backing Heimdall theory" for now since it still lack of information material to made conclusion. In Macross Frontier as we all know Macross 21 and Macross 25 were sister to each other because they were build as the same 204x era class but General Galaxy take full internal rework of Macross Galaxy so they just look the same but different inside 

 

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15 minutes ago, Gendo Koun said:

Wow, a so detailed post as what I expected as you @Seto Kaiba. First Gen Macross class is big and bulky Battleship but as 206x era it would considered as obsolete since NUNS has newer Battle-class Macross which is more powerful and carrier capable than First Generation. So if I was the NUNS itself I wouldn't let a state of art Battleship design to any non-government corporations that easy.

Granted, a first-generaton Macross is essentially obsolete on its own... but properly equipped it's still enough firepower to be a fleet flagship or conquer a lightly defended planet on its own.

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Which was, essentially, what Ivan Tsari and the Epsilon Foundation tried to use it for in Macross E.

That said, because megacorporations have already become involved in financially-backing emigrant fleets and those megacorporations tend to wield sigificant influence in the governments of those emigrant fleets, enabling them to do all kinds of questionable things.

For example, in Macross Frontier the titular emigrant fleet was sponsored by SMS's parent company Bilra Transport.  That is where Richard Bilra, its founder, derived so much of his impressive influence with the Frontier Government and how he was able to ensure his company's subsidiary SMS got a government contract and was hired to test the Frontier New UN Spacy's new 5th Generation VF (the VF-25) and prototype variable warship (the Macross Quarter).  The Macross Galaxy fleet is a more extreme example, because the fleet was established as a kind of flying R&D facility for General Galaxy and was actually directly governed as a corporation by a General Galaxy subsidiary company.

 

15 minutes ago, Gendo Koun said:
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Yes Battle Galaxy was destroyed so if we think Battle Astrea is a new commissioned Battle-class Macross with recommissioned hull number 21 it will be legit 

So... unlike in Star Trek, hull numbers normally are not reused if a ship is destroyed and a replacement is constructed.  

There are some provisions in the designation system in Macross for there to be multiple Battle-class ships associated with a fleet.

There is also a separate designation used for the privately-owned warships of PMCs like SMS or Xaos.

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That the Battle Astraea appears to just reuse the hull number of Battle Galaxy suggests she is probably not registered with the New UN Forces.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Gendo Koun said:
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In Macross Frontier as we all know Macross 21 and Macross 25 were sister to each other because they were build as the same 204x era class but General Galaxy take full internal rework of Macross Galaxy so they just look the same but different inside 

 

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I forgot to pointed it out too that the original builder of all Macross were OTEC company so General Galaxy just slammed a bunch of their tech, fund a lot of money and buy all of its government then made it their own industrial fleet without upsetting the NUN government. That make sense because all of the escort ships in Galaxy fleet were different from those widely use Stealth Cruiser and Northampton Frigate, ARMD etc. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

There are some provisions in the designation system in Macross for there to be multiple Battle-class ships associated with a fleet.

I assume that is too much cost to build. Instead they only have Battle-class Macross as their flagship and the ultimate weapon of a fleet. So they coming with a plan to make small Variable Space Battlecarrier like Macross Quarter-class which is cheap, powerful platform that can host up to 4-5 VF squadron and personnel issue is not a big deal anymore. This concept is so effective that they can have such a powerful firepower in massive number of a fleet but the cost is still not high as build a Battle-class, thus that Macross Quarter-class can be build onboard a fleet. 

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23 minutes ago, Gendo Koun said:

I assume that is too much cost to build. Instead they only have Battle-class Macross as their flagship and the ultimate weapon of a fleet. So they coming with a plan to make small Variable Space Battlecarrier like Macross Quarter-class which is cheap, powerful platform that can host up to 4-5 VF squadron and personnel issue is not a big deal anymore. This concept is so effective that they can have such a powerful firepower in massive number of a fleet but the cost is still not high as build a Battle-class, thus that Macross Quarter-class can be build onboard a fleet. 

There's nothing stopping a fleet from building more Battle-class ships if they feel the need or desire to.  The City type has docks that could support up to three of them.

It may be an animation issue, but the Macross 5 fleet in Macross 7 appears to have more than one Battle-class ship in this scene from the series: http://www.macross2.net/m3/macross7/newmacross5/macross5-fleet.jpg

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7 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

There's nothing stopping a fleet from building more Battle-class ships if they feel the need or desire to.  The City type has docks that could support up to three of them.

It may be an animation issue, but the Macross 5 fleet in Macross 7 appears to have more than one Battle-class ship in this scene from the series: http://www.macross2.net/m3/macross7/newmacross5/macross5-fleet.jpg

I agree, because having a bunch of Battle-class mean they have to animate all the firing sequences of iconic “Macross Cannon” lol

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I think you misunderstood what Ledakan43 says, he mention that VF-31 are more like mass produced unit,not AX

He already explain in the movie where 

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 VF-31AX for sure wins against YF-29 is the firepower, since it is much more expandable and compatible with all matter of Ghosts and equipment. It has the new panoramic cockpit that the SV-262 had even without implants and with the Fold reheat system or whatever that is, Hayate did some impressive stuff. Basically Freyja singing, burning her life + Hayate going Seed mode(didn't go Var like in the series) + huge quartz in the 31AX made him see things in slowmo and that performed better than Alto in the 29 I think. Also we see a lot of cuts where the 31AX gets shot and have explosions here and there, but it's still mostly ok, so it is tankier than the YF-29 for sure.

 

Then how you explain that Siefgried get stomp by Sv-303 yet VF-31 AX able to match Sv-303?

 

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Did Mirage have good relation with her grandfather?

 

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34 minutes ago, charles88 said:

I think you misunderstood what Ledakan43 says, he mention that VF-31 are more like mass produced unit,not AX

He already explain in the movie where 

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 VF-31AX for sure wins against YF-29 is the firepower, since it is much more expandable and compatible with all matter of Ghosts and equipments. It has the new panoramic cockpit that the SV-262 had even without implants and with the Fold reheat system or whatever that is, Hayate did some impressive stuff. Basically Freyja singing, burning her life + Hayate going Seed mode(didn't go Var like in the series) + huge quartz in the 31AX made him see things in slowmo and that performed better than Alto in the 29 I think. Also we see a lot of cuts where the 31AX gets shot and have explosions here and there, but it's still mostly ok, so it is tankier than the YF-29 for sure.

 

Then how you explain that Siefgried get stomp by Sv-303 yet VF-31 AX able to match Sv-303?

 

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Surely Sv-303 can out perform the VF-31 since we can clearly see how it is so agile. But VF-31AX having more extra firepowaaa so it can spam a lot of sh*t into Sv-303 face =Đ

 

 

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49 minutes ago, charles88 said:

I think you misunderstood what Ledakan43 says, he mention that VF-31 are more like mass produced unit,not AX

He already explain in the movie where 

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 VF-31AX for sure wins against YF-29 is the firepower, since it is much more expandable and compatible with all matter of Ghosts and equipment. It has the new panoramic cockpit that the SV-262 had even without implants and with the Fold reheat system or whatever that is, Hayate did some impressive stuff. Basically Freyja singing, burning her life + Hayate going Seed mode(didn't go Var like in the series) + huge quartz in the 31AX made him see things in slowmo and that performed better than Alto in the 29 I think. Also we see a lot of cuts where the 31AX gets shot and have explosions here and there, but it's still mostly ok, so it is tankier than the YF-29 for sure.

 

Then how you explain that Siefgried get stomp by Sv-303 yet VF-31 AX able to match Sv-303?

- What I meant was actually about the 31AXs, not the regular 31s. We know from official spec and in the show that the performance of the VF-31s are inferior to the 29, and even with the upgrades to the AX, I honestly don't think it surpasses the 29 in overall performance. Upgrading to the AX did not help them beat the 303s, it gave them more of a chance to survive but that's it. What ended the battle was the disruption of Fold waves(since the 303s are controlled by them) and the Siren system being taken offline.

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Did Mirage have good relation with her grandfather?
- Not as bad as Mylene and Max for sure. Though Max saw through Mirage with how stumped she is and how she just isn't fit to be an ace. No bad blood between them doe

 

 

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1 hour ago, charles88 said:
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So did any delta squadron and Max actually beat Sv-303 during final battle?
- Max basically slaughtered the 303s with ease. Hayate did too once he went Seed mode with Freyja's song, but since that took too much toll on her they stopped and reverted back to more normal singing. With Mirage commanding Delta platoon, they did destroy some things, whether it be the 303s or their micro ghosts. 

 

 

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Cromwell used to be with the NUNs and pushed for the use of more technology like AIs and cyborg stuff, but that tech was always quashed by Lady M. He ended up losing his home planet and all of his comrades in some battle and blames Lady M and her anti-technology stance for it, and wants revenge.

He's accompanied by a guy from Epsilon who previously stole star singer cells from Windermere and combined the results of using experimenting with them with a Sharon Apple type AI resulting in a thing called "Seiren" which is a super AI that can also sing harder than real singers that they have on their ship.

Lady M is actually "Lady Megaroad 1". Nobody actually knows who she really is aside from that she's someone on the Megaroad 1, which is stuck in a dimensional fault.

Heimdall's objective is to open a super fold gate to the Megaroad 1 and destroy it and free technological progress from Lady M (also revenge from Cromwell).

Spoiler from 4chan....

So if this information is true, I can kinda see why Cromwell wants revenge on lady M.  But its sorta like Frontier when Grace wanted to people to be borged and use the varja network. 

In my mind cybernetics, like prostetic arms are fine but full cyborg prostetics linked up to a hive mind is a bit sketchy.  But couldn't they just negotiate some sort of deal with lady M to ease up on tech? Rather than just destroy it.

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Cromwell used to be with the NUNs and pushed for the use of more technology like AIs and cyborg stuff, but that tech was always quashed by Lady M. He ended up losing his home planet and all of his comrades in some battle and blames Lady M and her anti-technology stance for it, and wants revenge.

He's accompanied by a guy from Epsilon who previously stole star singer cells from Windermere and combined the results of using experimenting with them with a Sharon Apple type AI resulting in a thing called "Seiren" which is a super AI that can also sing harder than real singers that they have on their ship.

Lady M is actually "Lady Megaroad 1". Nobody actually knows who she really is aside from that she's someone on the Megaroad 1, which is stuck in a dimensional fault.

Heimdall's objective is to open a super fold gate to the Megaroad 1 and destroy it and free technological progress from Lady M (also revenge from Cromwell).

Spoiler from 4chan....

So if this information is true, I can kinda see why Cromwell wants revenge on lady M.  But its sorta like Frontier when Grace wanted to people to be borged and use the varja network. 

In my mind cybernetics, like prostetic arms are fine but full cyborg prostetics linked up to a hive mind is a bit sketchy.  But couldn't they just negotiate some sort of deal with lady M to ease up on tech? Rather than just destroy it.

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Well , Lady M actually make right decision on  slowing Cyborg and AI development because

AI: Sharon Apple incident

Cyborg: Macross Galaxy conspiracy

Both in common was they can mind control people like Brera get mind controlled by Galaxy conspirator thanks to his cyborg body. And not to mention Sharon Apple incident.

 

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2 hours ago, darkranger12 said:
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Cromwell used to be with the NUNs and pushed for the use of more technology like AIs and cyborg stuff, but that tech was always quashed by Lady M. He ended up losing his home planet and all of his comrades in some battle and blames Lady M and her anti-technology stance for it, and wants revenge.

He's accompanied by a guy from Epsilon who previously stole star singer cells from Windermere and combined the results of using experimenting with them with a Sharon Apple type AI resulting in a thing called "Seiren" which is a super AI that can also sing harder than real singers that they have on their ship.

Lady M is actually "Lady Megaroad 1". Nobody actually knows who she really is aside from that she's someone on the Megaroad 1, which is stuck in a dimensional fault.

Heimdall's objective is to open a super fold gate to the Megaroad 1 and destroy it and free technological progress from Lady M (also revenge from Cromwell).

Spoiler from 4chan....

So if this information is true, I can kinda see why Cromwell wants revenge on lady M.  But its sorta like Frontier when Grace wanted to people to be borged and use the varja network. 

Cromwell's goal doesn't really make sense in the greater context of Macross, though...

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... because there's never really been any indication of any kind of restraint on technological progress.

The only times that new technology has been presented as not ready for prime time, it's been for strictly practical reasons.  The YF-21's BCS being an immature technology that didn't meet reliability and fail-safe requirements.  The illegal bio-neural chip that caused Sharon Apple's rampage on Earth was banned precisely because it had a track record of causing "crazy AI" behavior because of its self-preservation instincts.  The original (2040s) YF-24's ISC and linear actuators just weren't up to the jobs they'd been asked to do and needed more development to reach the required levels of performance.  The reason given for many emigrant fleets having banned cybernetics had nothing to do with the technology itself, and everything to do with how biomass was recycled aboard ship when someone died.

Even the Sharon Apple incident didn't stop unmanned fighters from effectively becoming the next main fighter... the AIF-7 Ghost still became the de facto main fighter and some governments adopted all-Ghost air forces.  They were just using AIs that were semi-autonomous rather than the unrestrained, fully autonomous model designed for maximum unpredictability.

 

2 hours ago, darkranger12 said:

In my mind cybernetics, like prostetic arms are fine but full cyborg prostetics linked up to a hive mind is a bit sketchy.  But couldn't they just negotiate some sort of deal with lady M to ease up on tech? Rather than just destroy it.

Yeah, there's plenty of characters in previous titles incl. Frontier side materials who have cybernetics and experience no issues whatsoever.

The only problematic cybernetics were the ones the Galaxy fleet developed for the specific purpose of mind control and perceptual manipulation.  (The entire Galaxy fleet's civilian population was basically living in an extreme version of Augmented Reality permanently, tweaking their perceptions via implants to make the industrial hellscape of Galaxy a more pleasant vista and editing their sense of smell and taste to make the harsh synthetic foods taste like actual food.)

 

2 hours ago, charles88 said:
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Well , Lady M actually make right decision on  slowing Cyborg and AI development because

AI: Sharon Apple incident

Cyborg: Macross Galaxy conspiracy

Both in common was they can mind control people like Brera get mind controlled by Galaxy conspirator thanks to his cyborg body. And not to mention Sharon Apple incident.

 

But neither of those reasons you gave here are correct or relevant... 

The technology that caused the so-called "Sharon Apple Incident" was already illegal before the incident occurred.  It'd been banned by the New UN Government precisely because its inherent unpredictability and inbuilt self-preservation instincts made it dangerously unreliable.  The problem was exacerbated by the fact that the person the Venus Sound Lab's directors chose to sample to create Sharon's computer model "brain" was emotionally unstable and had a lot of repressed psychological issues.  They put an illegal processor that was known to cause crazy computers into a system running an uninhibited virtual emulation of the thoughts and emotions of a woman with more issues than National Geographic magazine.

The rest of the AI technology involved works just fine.  Both the Frontier and Galaxy fleets were able to field Ghosts with the same autonomous air combat AI software as the Ghost X-9 without issue (Luca's Ghosts, and the AIF-9V "Ghost V-9's" from Galaxy).  Luca's family's company was also working out the issues with personality simulation as a way to make Ghosts more intuitive on the battlefield in the Macross Frontier audio dramas.  It turns out, if you model the Ghost's artificial personality on someone who isn't squirting crazy out of every pore, it works just fine.

Cybernetics have been used by the Zentradi for over half a million years without apparent incident.  Humanity's been using them for things like limb and sense organ replacement for quite some time as well without issue.  Implants only became an issue when the Galaxy fleet developed ones that were specifically designed for mind control and then put 'em to use in an attempt to hit some kind of human rights violation high score by trapping their citizens in sense-altering augmented reality or straight-up hijacking their bodies against their will.  People living elsewhere have been able to use cybernetics to generally positive effect, providing functional limb replacements for amputees or even enhancing personal performance like Vanquish League champion Nicolas F. Berthier with his fiber-optic nervous system.

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1 hour ago, Mommar said:

I never understood where we were supposed to be able to watch the first five minutes of this thing anyway.

This is unauthorized upload without regional block so better watch it fast before it gets taken down.

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So basically the enemy is ...

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A frakking Conspiracy Theorist that thinks Lady M is the NUNG

deep state blaming her for blocking AI and cybernetics progression when there is evidence contrary to his theory. 

So I think Lady M is less the one secretly in control of the galaxy but is a Think Tank stuck in a Fold Fault. Time is relatively different there that perhaps it is receiving and sending 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, nanoplasm said:

This is unauthorized upload without regional block so better watch it fast before it gets taken down.

Thank you.  So it looks like they finally remembered Hayate is an expert in Battroid mode.

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1 hour ago, charles88 said:
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So officially, is Frejya is first Idol in Macross that actually died?

 

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No, Sharon Apple died at the end of the Macross Plus OVA... inasmuch as a sentient AI can die when the hardware it's running on is irrecoverably destroyed and its program is lost.

 

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29 minutes ago, RedWolf said:

Conrad Pi had translated the Macross Delta: Zettai Live movie pamphlet. (Via Google Translate).
Source: Macross Fan Central

 

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24 minutes ago, charles88 said:

Man its really hard to topple YF-29 Durandal as most powerful VF. Even Sv-303 couldnt beat it. I wonder what Kawamori gonna take to make VF that surpass YF-29

A VF-1 with a gun that shoots swords

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18 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Cromwell's goal doesn't really make sense in the greater context of Macross, though...

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... because there's never really been any indication of any kind of restraint on technological progress.

The only times that new technology has been presented as not ready for prime time, it's been for strictly practical reasons.  The YF-21's BCS being an immature technology that didn't meet reliability and fail-safe requirements.  The illegal bio-neural chip that caused Sharon Apple's rampage on Earth was banned precisely because it had a track record of causing "crazy AI" behavior because of its self-preservation instincts.  The original (2040s) YF-24's ISC and linear actuators just weren't up to the jobs they'd been asked to do and needed more development to reach the required levels of performance.  The reason given for many emigrant fleets having banned cybernetics had nothing to do with the technology itself, and everything to do with how biomass was recycled aboard ship when someone died.

Even the Sharon Apple incident didn't stop unmanned fighters from effectively becoming the next main fighter... the AIF-7 Ghost still became the de facto main fighter and some governments adopted all-Ghost air forces.  They were just using AIs that were semi-autonomous rather than the unrestrained, fully autonomous model designed for maximum unpredictability

 

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I think Cromwell wanted to do was to lessen regulation or completely deregulate on AI and Cybernetic research to accelerate advancement of AI and cybernetic technology to strengthen Unnamed weapon .

However in Macross verse already show EVEN with already strict regulation on AI and cybernetic research, there 2 huge incident happen related to what Cromwell wanted to deregulate: Sharon Apple incident and Macross Galaxy atrocity and conspiracy. Just imagine what happen if Cromwell got his way to deregulate AI and cybernetic research, I cant imagine the repeat of 2 incident or possibly even worse incident.

 

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2 hours ago, charles88 said:

Man its really hard to topple YF-29 Durandal as most powerful VF. Even Sv-303 couldnt beat it. I wonder what Kawamori gonna take to make VF that surpass YF-29

Why do we need a more powerful VF ? There are now several very interesting VF designs in play. 

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I must say Xaos or rather Lady M must have extensive financial resource and influence to recruit characters we've known. Somehow Aisha Blanchett was poached from SMS. Elma Hoiley who had a singing career is a biologist working for Xaos.

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They even got Max and Exsedol out of retirement.

 

 

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4 hours ago, charles88 said:

Man its really hard to topple YF-29 Durandal as most powerful VF. Even Sv-303 couldnt beat it. I wonder what Kawamori gonna take to make VF that surpass YF-29

Maybe its the pilot behind the vf that counts, not the vf. Or it could be a kawaii chick singing to the pilot that gives him the ultimate piloting skills to pilot a vf that he just sat into. Wait. What.

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