Bubblegum Crisis & Crash Items

[Dynaman]

But to reuse the quote "Good Writers Borrow, great writers steal"  Applies here too I think.  Back in the eighties when the majority of people in one region would not know the songs from another region it would really apply.  (though US stuff was just about everywhere much much less made it back into the US - heck even UK TV was a rarity left to public TV).

[renegadeleader1]

40 minutes ago, Dynaman said:

But to reuse the quote "Good Writers Borrow, great writers steal"  Applies here too I think.  Back in the eighties when the majority of people in one region would not know the songs from another region it would really apply.  (though US stuff was just about everywhere much much less made it back into the US - heck even UK TV was a rarity left to public TV).

The only UK TV the US was familiar with in the 80s was Benny Hill, Dr Who, and whatever was picked to air on PBS's Masterpiece Theatre.

[Dynaman]

I was thinking we were both missing something and then I remembered "Monty Python".  We will both have to suffer the Inquisition for that one.

[RavenHawk]

12 hours ago, tekering said:

This is a fascinating aspect of the anime industry I was completely unaware of.  Are there other egregious examples outside of BGC?

I wish I remembered some to offer.

I know I came across probably a dozen or so a few years ago, which made an impression on me at the time, but I don't remember them specifically or where the site was where I found the comparisons (it might have been a post in another thread on here?).

As it stands, I feel like an idiot, making a claim that I now can't substantiate. Sorry.

[JB0]

17 hours ago, tekering said:

This is a fascinating aspect of the anime industry I was completely unaware of.  Are there other egregious examples outside of BGC?

I remember the US DVD release of Gunbuster took a lot of flak for changing the music in one part because it was basically Chariots of Fire.

[Valkyrie Hunter D]

18 hours ago, tekering said:

This is a fascinating aspect of the anime industry I was completely unaware of.  Are there other egregious examples outside of BGC?

I've heard several examples, but the only one I remember off the top of my head is the opening to The Big O compared to Queen's Flash Gordon theme.

[Bariaburu Faita]

its a cliche to say its a culture thing, but it really is. Japan has a culture of accepting copyright infringement on a large scale. The biggest example is the twice a year(pre covid) Comic Market where half a million people cram into crowded halls to buy fan works of copyrighted characters. With the official license holders selling official goods one building away. And very few get sued. The corporations understand that this fan work enhances their brand, and allows it.

[tekering]

2 hours ago, Bariaburu Faita said:

The corporations understand that this fan work enhances their brand, and allows it.

Yeah, but the vast majority of it is pornographic parody (and as you say, fan work)...

3 hours ago, JB0 said:

I remember the US DVD release of Gunbuster took a lot of flak for changing the music in one part because it was basically Chariots of Fire.

...and that's GAINAX.  Everything they did back then was a parody, in-joke, or fan service reference to something else (GunBuster in particular).

Bubblegum Crisis, on the other hand, took itself seriously.  There were deliberate references to Blade Runner in production design and character names; that's an homage.

Filing the serial numbers off foreign pop songs and claiming them as your own: that's plagiarism. 

[Bariaburu Faita]

18 minutes ago, tekering said:

Yeah, but the vast majority of it is pornographic parody (and as you say, fan work)...

One of these fans that made doujinshi, was Kenichi Sonoda. A large number of people working in the industry got their start in doujinshi and have the belief that it is ok to borrow content created by someone else.

[chaff.g]

19 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

I wish I remembered some to offer.

I know I came across probably a dozen or so a few years ago, which made an impression on me at the time, but I don't remember them specifically or where the site was where I found the comparisons (it might have been a post in another thread on here?).

As it stands, I feel like an idiot, making a claim that I now can't substantiate. Sorry.

The opening themes of Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam are another famous example of this.

[tekering]

3 hours ago, chaff.g said:

The opening themes of Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam are another famous example of this.

To be fair, those were adapted with Neil Sedaka's permission, and he's properly credited (both onscreen and the various soundtrack releases).

Fascinating, nonetheless:

Keep 'em coming, guys!  This is amazing stuff. 

[Hikuro]

2 hours ago, tekering said:

To be fair, those were adapted with Neil Sedaka's permission, and he's properly credited (both onscreen and the various soundtrack releases).

Fascinating, nonetheless:

Keep 'em coming, guys!  This is amazing stuff. 

 I mean it's pretty off track from BGC but in terms of ripping off other peoples music and not giving proper credit Fire Bomber's Power to the Dream is pretty much a rip of Power to the people by John Lennon....but I'm sure a lot of people know that.

[Big s]

There’s so much in this regarding the similarities between pop songs and soundtracks, it almost deserves a thread of it’s own. From generous homage to blatant rip-off and awkward licensing issues. Or from Big-O to Bubblegum Crisis and Daikon 4

[JetJockey]

Anyone know the name of the song he has playing in the background from around 1 minute to 6 minutes? I would ask myself but I don't have a Twitter or Youtube account.

 

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by JetJockey