Sildani Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Or, one person's opinion and taste. Takes all kinds. Without this movie's buzz, what's out there to entice or attract new Trek fans, eh? Without new blood, any fandom will wither and die, Trek included. Old movies and shows , Internet fan movies, and a pay-per-view (ish) series of unknown provenance are simply not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 If they are going to change it to mindless fast and furious action with no substance then maybe it should die? Perhaps there is more dignity in death of the franchise rather than going on. On the plus side i do kinda like the new uniforms (the ones base on the original outfits). Too bad it looks like Pine is going to spread most of the movie not wearing it like the other two movies. It must be in his contract to not have to wear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I once again have to bring up that Onion (I think) headline. Star Trek fans hate new Star Trek film, call it "Fun", "Exciting" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sildani Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 If they are going to change it to mindless fast and furious action with no substance then maybe it should die? Perhaps there is more dignity in death of the franchise rather than going on. Impossible to say based on that one trailer. I'm withholding judgment until more hard data becomes available, not hearsay. I can't help but think that, had the tech and budget been available, that Roddenberry would have made TOS a bit more active than it was. As for Fast/Furious shenanigans, well, there WAS that dune buggy in Nemesis, with Picard driving and Worf acting as tail gunner. I'm not condoning, mind, just saying there's precedent for furious driving of off-road vehicles. Finally: if the Enterprise gets destroyed and replaced by a new model based on the Excelsior, it'll look seeeeeeeeexxxxxxyyyyy. Worth seeing for that alone, in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazinger Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 well, there WAS that dune buggy in Nemesis, with Picard driving and Worf acting as tail gunner... Oh god, that was such a low point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 How would you assume that? There are several articlesfrom today and yesterday pointing to this answer when Lin was asked about the events in Into Darkness: "[Co-writers] Simon [Pegg] and Doug [Jung] and I have spent some time on that. [laughs] Star Trek has been around for 50 years, and every filmmaker that comes on has a different point of view, and it’s a universe that can support many points of view and journeys and adventures. I embraced what JJ has brought - without him this whole group wouldn’t be together - so I’m definitely very appreciative of him. At the same time, do we address it? No, but we don’t discount it. We don’t sit there and say it doesn’t exist, it’s part of this universe now." Maybe not a reboot of a reboot, but maybe a minor retcon? Either way, it's interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 There are several articlesfrom today and yesterday pointing to this answer when Lin was asked about the events in Into Darkness: "[Co-writers] Simon [Pegg] and Doug [Jung] and I have spent some time on that. [laughs] Star Trek has been around for 50 years, and every filmmaker that comes on has a different point of view, and it’s a universe that can support many points of view and journeys and adventures. I embraced what JJ has brought - without him this whole group wouldn’t be together - so I’m definitely very appreciative of him. At the same time, do we address it? No, but we don’t discount it. We don’t sit there and say it doesn’t exist, it’s part of this universe now." Maybe not a reboot of a reboot, but maybe a minor retcon? Either way, it's interesting. That's political speak for, "it sucked but JJ is executive producer and I don't want to be fired so we'll just not mention it either way." Which is actually a good thing, because Simon Pegg had a similar non-comment about Into Darkness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 That's political speak for, "it sucked but JJ is executive producer and I don't want to be fired so we'll just not mention it either way." Which is actually a good thing, because Simon Pegg had a similar non-comment about Into Darkness. JJ has already admitted his mistakes with Into Darkness. It's not some sacred cow for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehPW Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I am surprised he even cares about STID? he's gonna be literally feasting on... something immoral (maybe dead babies covered in caviar?), with all the cash he's gonna roll in. his ST films will be nothing more than fan films when the historians review his life, in the view of SW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vepariga Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 the story and visuals are still Trek but the action and fast paced nature of it seem abit too full on for the series, initial trailer reaction. GotG x Trek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electric indigo Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 All the planetside scenes (maybe except the "cliffhanger") have the visual appeal of the paper & wood sets of the Original TV Series. I wait for somebody trying to sell that as a nod to the old fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I guess Lin is going to ignore the happenings of Into Darkness going forward. A reboot of a reboot? It wouldn't be Star Trek if you didn't write a script that ignored/directly contradicted last week's episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 JJ has already admitted his mistakes with Into Darkness. It's not some sacred cow for him. Yeah, when he said he never liked the franchise to begin with. Regardless, you don't go around telling everybody the last thing your boss did sucked ass within earshot. That's not how you keep getting work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vepariga Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) Writer Simon Pegg didnt like the trailer lol looked like he was going to cry. Edited December 18, 2015 by Vepariga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The movie's director has criticized the trailer, as well. sounds like it was totally in the hands of the marketing department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sildani Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Not surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Roy Focker Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Yes let's blame the marketing guys. The director and producers had to have some review over the trailer. You don't just hand over the movie to the marketing guys and tell them to do their thing without reviewing it. Oops no one wants to see our movie because the marketing guys gave away the ending. If only we had someone reviewing their work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Yes let's blame the marketing guys. The director and producers had to have some review over the trailer. You don't just hand over the movie to the marketing guys and tell them to do their thing without reviewing it. Oops no one wants to see our movie because the marketing guys gave away the ending. If only we had someone reviewing their work. It's likely Justin Lin's contract doesn't give him control over the trailers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Yes let's blame the marketing guys. The director and producers had to have some review over the trailer. You don't just hand over the movie to the marketing guys and tell them to do their thing without reviewing it. Oops no one wants to see our movie because the marketing guys gave away the ending. If only we had someone reviewing their work. I am quite certain the director for "John Carter" wishes that were true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Yes let's blame the marketing guys. The director and producers had to have some review over the trailer. You don't just hand over the movie to the marketing guys and tell them to do their thing without reviewing it. Oops no one wants to see our movie because the marketing guys gave away the ending. If only we had someone reviewing their work. For some reason, I've heard about how marketing can sometimes contradict director wishes from other movies as well. Apparently Terminator Genisys was the same. I struggle to understand why they'd give that plot twist away in the trailer instead of on the big screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Yes let's blame the marketing guys. The director and producers had to have some review over the trailer. You don't just hand over the movie to the marketing guys and tell them to do their thing without reviewing it. Oops no one wants to see our movie because the marketing guys gave away the ending. If only we had someone reviewing their work. Happened with the original Star Trek 3. The destruction of the Enterprise was supposed to be a surprise, and first they learned it wouldn't be was when they saw the TV ad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh9000 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Zoe Saldana models her redesigned Uhura uniform. http://www.comicbookmovie.com/daredevil/zoe-saldana-models-her-redesigned-uhura-uniform-for-star-trek-beyond-a132412 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikElvis Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 The pinnacle for me in every trek movie is the ship fighting. Hopefully it has that and a decent plot I guess.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I was under the impression that the ship gets destroyed early on, and the crew spends the movie running around on a planet. Looks like this is going to be the "Insurrection" movie of this generation of Trek... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Hey, it could be a lot worse. Insurrection was pretty much just a standard TNG episode with a bigger budget, and though it had a fairly predictable plot full of silliness, it was Oscar material compared with the eye-gougingly bad level of terrible trek fanfic that Nemesis sunk to. I'm just hopeful that they take the ship blowing up bit, and run with it straight back to a revised ship design that has any sense of realistic internal and external scale to it. I'd say go straight back to the original Connie Refit design, but that's probably asking too much, and I hesitate to imagine what they might "re-envision" it as this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh9000 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Happy Birthday William Shatner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangard Ace Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Simon Pegg talks: http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Trek-Beyond-Plot-Details-Revealed-126567.html?utm_content=inf_10_3234_2&utm_source=soed&tse_id=INF_af1ad470a73642a085b7660cc2c805df Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Well, if Simon Pegg says there is more to it than that, then that's all the reassurance that I need! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobber Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I'm a little surprised that in this day and age of multiple Trailers, they haven't released a new trailer yet. Especially when the current one is pretty much universally disliked. No damage control has been attempted. Hopefully something soon. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 I'm a little surprised that in this day and age of multiple Trailers, they haven't released a new trailer yet. Especially when the current one is pretty much universally disliked. No damage control has been attempted. Hopefully something soon. Chris Yeah, especially given the movie is due out in two months? June or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 I didn't mind the first two Trek reboots but I certainly hope the 3rd will be of better quality.. story wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 I didn't mind the first reboot movie the first time I saw it, but on repeated viewings the plot and plot devices just started to fall apart under repeat observation. The main cast was great, it was just that I felt they wasted a perfectly good set of characters on a plot full of misunderstood callbacks to old Trek stuff, and what I'm just going to refer to as a universe built in JJ-scale (that is, no consistency in any way whatsoever). Admittedly, I never watched Into Darkness, because the cheap and misused callbacks to TWOK just ruined the concept for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 I didn't mind the first reboot movie the first time I saw it, but on repeated viewings the plot and plot devices just started to fall apart under repeat observation. The main cast was great, it was just that I felt they wasted a perfectly good set of characters on a plot full of misunderstood callbacks to old Trek stuff, and what I'm just going to refer to as a universe built in JJ-scale (that is, no consistency in any way whatsoever). Admittedly, I never watched Into Darkness, because the cheap and misused callbacks to TWOK just ruined the concept for me. This is how I feel about the first movie. Don't bother with Into Darkness, it's like the first movie only so egregious you can't get theough the first viewing without it falling apart (the same with The Force Awakens IMO as well.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I didn't mind the first reboot movie the first time I saw it, but on repeated viewings the plot and plot devices just started to fall apart under repeat observation. The main cast was great, it was just that I felt they wasted a perfectly good set of characters on a plot full of misunderstood callbacks to old Trek stuff, and what I'm just going to refer to as a universe built in JJ-scale (that is, no consistency in any way whatsoever). Admittedly, I never watched Into Darkness, because the cheap and misused callbacks to TWOK just ruined the concept for me. Although I didn't mind watching them, I have to say I feel the same way about them. I think fresh story lines with no need for callbacks to the original movies would have benefited them greatly. Even if it made them more like alternate timeline / universe movies. Benedict Cumberbatch is such an amazing and talented actor that even though his performance was great but ultimately wasted on a rehash of Khan's character.. Fingers crossed for the third movie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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