Loop Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I'm voting that the VF-19 Advance's worst mode is Gerwalk . I think the battroid mode is it's strongest mode, has a ton of potential for very dynamic poses, I put fighter second. Back to Gerwalk, I think I would have preferred a swivel joint on the thigh area for a better "A" stance, even though I don't really prefer the 19's in Gerwalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Driver Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I agree that Battroid is the strongest mode, fighter the second, and gerwalk third. I think though that in comparison to other attempts at the YF-19 styled toys, it has the strongest of all three modes (minus super parts). I would definitely take this over the Arcadia. Obviously because it's expensive and harder to get, but also because of how Bandai executed the transformation just looks so much better than the arcadia, which is very similar to the way my Yamato VF-19F transforms. I think Bandai nailed it. I'd still love to have an Arcadia, and an original Yamato 1/72 (v2 because of that damned tab a), just to have the progression in my collection, but this toy is a ton of fun. I really like where they put the leg swivel, it's at the top of the gerwalk joint, which lets you get some really nice poses, but a second swivel at the knee or mid thigh might have been a good inclusion as well, to really get some good aggressive poses. There is certainly room for improvement, but this seems to be the best execution to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyg Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 mickyg could you upload the scan of the sticker sheet? I'll do that but I want to get a good scan. My scanned copy is not very sharp. I might take a photo of it with a macro lens I stead and upload that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhary Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 any option it will be welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchieNov Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Gerwalk mode is almost always the weakest mode, mainly because it basically is a half-assed transformation (exception is the VB-6 Monster). If I remember correctly, valkyries weren't originally designed to have this "inbetween" mode, but since it was shown to have some benefits (speed and ability to use manipulators), they decided to keep it as a 3rd mode. The Y/VF-19 though probably has one of the weakest Gerwalk modes of all, mainly because of how the arms come out. Another ugly one IMO is the VF-17 with its wings just hanging off the back looking so frail. I would say the VF-4's Gerwalk looks ugly too. But then again so does its Battroid. Personally I think it only looks good in Fighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Driver Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 All I was saying is that while yes gerwalk is traditionally the weakest mode of any valkyrie, and that the VF-19's is the weakest of all of them, this toy manages the strongest implementation of that mode than any other 19 toy. So the Strongest of the weakest. I was just amazed at what you could do with it. As my Yamato 1/60 YF-19 will fall to rubble if you look at it funny, and my Yamato VF-19F lacks the simple grace of the YF-19 design. That, and the VF-19 advance is a lot less scary to transform, that VF-19F gerwalk joint is so stiff that I'm always afraid I'll break it, the shoulders pose their own problems with that locking mechanism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchieNov Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Yeah I would agree that the VF-19Advance has the best Gerwalk among the other Y/VF-19s in this scale. What really kills the Yamato/Arcadia versions are the crap ankles. I wonder if anyone will ever decide to place 2 swivel points at the leg. One at the thigh and another at the knee. Doesn't look too hard to implement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Driver Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Yeah I would agree that the VF-19Advance has the best Gerwalk among the other Y/VF-19s in this scale. What really kills the Yamato/Arcadia versions are the crap ankles. I wonder if anyone will ever decide to place 2 swivel points at the leg. One at the thigh and another at the knee. Doesn't look too hard to implement. Not too hard, but it could complicate transformation, by making it more fiddly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyg Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 any option it will be welcomeHere's the best I could do today with a very shoddy setup and lighting. If anyone has Illustrator skills, this could be cleaned up a lot. And yes, that's as rough as those little lines really are. The measurements, using a very rough ruler are 7.5mm x 3mm. If I were using my micrometer (which isn't here) I'm sure I could get more accurate dimensions. Bear in mind, the 3mm does not include the little red and yellow items sticking up above the console. (click for 1600px wide version) The "backseat" console is this one: And by backseat, I really do mean that the instructions on the Hasegawa kit call for it being mounted on the back console, facing the front. It must be part of the "see through the cockpit/virtual setup" that the YF-19 was all about. Anyway, I don't plan to use it because I don't think it's very visible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 They look great Mickyg! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiichi Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 The Y/VF-19 though probably has one of the weakest Gerwalk modes of all, mainly because of how the arms come out. Man, that's like one of my favorite things about the 19's gerwalk. It's an uncommon configuration that I feel the 19 pulls off very well (unlike the VF-17's gerwalk, which I wholly agree is horrendous, haha). Gerwalk is my second favorite mode because it contains elements of my favorite mode (fighter!) while having the limbs and poseability of a more conventional mecha. I also love what a practical mode it is in-universe, sort of a jack-of-all-trades mode that can be effective in an array of situations. Above all else though, the silhouette of a valk in gerwalk is just so distinctly Macross, it's the mode that scream "this is Macross!" to me more than any other. Here's the best I could do today with a very shoddy setup and lighting. If anyone has Illustrator skills, this could be cleaned up a lot. And yes, that's as rough as those little lines really are. The measurements, using a very rough ruler are 7.5mm x 3mm. If I were using my micrometer (which isn't here) I'm sure I could get more accurate dimensions. Bear in mind, the 3mm does not include the little red and yellow items sticking up above the console. (click for 1600px wide version) *snip* Very cool, thanks for doing this mickyg! About the earlier mentions of the white edges showing when printing/cutting these out with paper, maybe carefully running the edge of the cut-out along the tip of a sharpie would help mask that? Gonna have to give these a shot when I have the chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyg Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Absolutely a sharpie would work. Even a black ball point pen would. In fact, that might work better because there's less chance of the ink bleeding. I'm still hoping someone can clean this uonin illustrator for better scalable printing. I did a test run in word today because I have nothing else that allows me to shrink this high resolution images down to the right size. Surprisingly, it worked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Driver Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Man, that's like one of my favorite things about the 19's gerwalk. It's an uncommon configuration that I feel the 19 pulls off very well (unlike the VF-17's gerwalk, which I wholly agree is horrendous, haha). Gerwalk is my second favorite mode because it contains elements of my favorite mode (fighter!) while having the limbs and poseability of a more conventional mecha. I also love what a practical mode it is in-universe, sort of a jack-of-all-trades mode that can be effective in an array of situations. Above all else though, the silhouette of a valk in gerwalk is just so distinctly Macross, it's the mode that scream "this is Macross!" to me more than any other. Gerwalk mode is definitely a trademark Macross thing. It was also pretty nice to see it used more often in Frontier. The way the 91's gerwalk works is interesting and unique, however no toy ever really manages to pull it off adequately. This toy managed it the best, but it's still a bit lacking, mostly in the fact that the arms are severely limited in their range of motion due to the wing roots in the armpits. Still I'm very satisfied with this toy, though I do wish the look of the double jointed elbow was a bit more, natural looking, but you can only do so much with plastic, and I'm quite satisfied that the mechanism is a bit more concealed than the Yamato VF-19F. Now to get measurements off of the arms to aid Kurisama in making the M+ arm cannons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptormesh Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I usually like my valks clean but this one is growing on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no3Ljm Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) Macross is not Macross without the Gerwalks. Even the SDF-1 have a 'gerwalk' mode. Edited August 12, 2015 by no3ljm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchieNov Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Hehe. I honestly can't tell what the benefit is of having the SDF-1 in that mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticYeti Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Hehe. I honestly can't tell what the benefit is of having the SDF-1 in that mode. Waste material extraction. Poop. It's a poop joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Driver Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Macross is not Macross without the Gerwalks. Even the SDF-1 have a 'gerwalk' mode. SDF1gerwalk.jpg Where is that image from? Waste material extraction. Poop. It's a poop joke. You're right, it does look quite like the old SDF-1 is having a shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anubis20 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I usually like my valks clean but this one is growing on me. This looks great I really need to attempt to put the fast pack on mine in fighter mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no3Ljm Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Where is that image from? You're right, it does look quite like the old SDF-1 is having a shite. http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/?showtopic=35150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 This looks great I really need to attempt to put the fast pack on mine in fighter mode. That pic isnt using the leg packs, just so you know. Still works pretty well, but the shoulder packs stick up a little that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Driver Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 That pic isnt using the leg packs, just so you know. Still works pretty well, but the shoulder packs stick up a little that way. I had not noticed that, but now i cannot unsee it. The leg packs are definitely needed to bring the packed up fighter mode look correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/?showtopic=35150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhary Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 thanks mickyg it will be very useful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Love that getwalk SDFM! drawing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locidm Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 now why does the Yamato SDF-1 not have the ability to transform into that?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 probably cos it never actually was capable of doing so in the series! it would also need to have articulating lower leg sections (feet) like the Valkyrie do.. would have been nice though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptormesh Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I had not noticed that, but now i cannot unsee it. The leg packs are definitely needed to bring the packed up fighter mode look correct. Guilty as charged, I just need to set away some time to get those packs in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anubis20 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Damn i hadnt noticed! Still a very nice shot, sorta motivating me to get the packs on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Guilty as charged, I just need to set away some time to get those packs in. Honestly, I think it looks better that way, just because the wing gloves actually attach to the legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrossJunkie Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Here's the best I could do today with a very shoddy setup and lighting. If anyone has Illustrator skills, this could be cleaned up a lot. And yes, that's as rough as those little lines really are. The measurements, using a very rough ruler are 7.5mm x 3mm. If I were using my micrometer (which isn't here) I'm sure I could get more accurate dimensions. Bear in mind, the 3mm does not include the little red and yellow items sticking up above the console. (click for 1600px wide version) Thanks, Mickyg! I don't have Illustrator, but I used Inkscape (is open source so it was free ) to create a vector graphics file based on that image. I'm not experienced with these things at all so I'm sure this could be done better by someone who knows what they're doing, but here's my go at it. Close up image: The actual vector graphics file is attached, resized (I think) to the proper dimensions to fit the VF-19Advance. Anyone can open up the file and change the colors or whatever for each object. VF-19 HUD panel 1.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froy Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Beat me for like 5 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Driver Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Guilty as charged, I just need to set away some time to get those packs in. No worries. They can be a pain. If I didn't have as much free time as I do, I'd be having issues too. Honestly, I think it looks better that way, just because the wing gloves actually attach to the legs. The gaps in the wing glove don't actually bother me as much as I thought they would. Probably because it's still a more fun toy than my Yamato... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyg Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Thanks, Mickyg! I don't have Illustrator, but I used Inkscape (is open source so it was free ) to create a vector graphics file based on that image. I'm not experienced with these things at all so I'm sure this could be done better by someone who knows what they're doing, but here's my go at it. Close up image: panel closeup.png The actual vector graphics file is attached, resized (I think) to the proper dimensions to fit the VF-19Advance. Anyone can open up the file and change the colors or whatever for each object. Awesome! Thanks to both of you for these. Those are substantially cleaned up and should make for a slightly crisper print, if your printer is up for it, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I am very seriously considering pulling the trigger on this. Any advice on whether I should or not? Anything coming down the pipe in the 19 area I might want to wait for or is the Bandai pretty much the definitive? I just don't want to snooze on a it now and have it triple in price later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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