jenius Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 This may be my first Blu-ray purchase, who owns physical media any more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanedas Bike Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 This may be my first Blu-ray purchase, who owns physical media any more? Meeee! Digital Media is too much like simply purchasing a software license that can be changed or revoked. Give me my physical copy that only I have control over. This is mostly me operating on general-principle and holding on to the way things "used" to be - like records, tapes, CD's and VHS. -b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) I still have small children running around my home, so I totally appreciate not worrying about getting digital media "kid" handled... But I'm old school, so I still want the physical media... Although TFA is the laziest, most unimaginative, and overrated piece of movie garbage ever made.....I still own Episode I and Episode 7 it is still a part of the entire SW saga regardless of how awful it is, so I'll get it eventually.... I think I'll do what I did with the LOTR and Hobbit Trilogies and just wait for the inevitable "ultimate" edition after Episode 9 hits the market... Who knows....maybe by then they'll release an ultimate 9 episode "Church of the Force" edition! Edited February 26, 2016 by jvmacross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles316 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Meeee! Digital Media is too much like simply purchasing a software license that can be changed or revoked. Give me my physical copy that only I have control over. This is mostly me operating on general-principle and holding on to the way things "used" to be - like records, tapes, CD's and VHS. -b. I can no longer can watch DVD's on my laptop because my License has expired so I under stand wanting to keep something that can't be remotely deactivated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanedas Bike Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 I still have small children running around my home, so I totally appreciate not worrying about getting digital media "kid" handled... But I'm old school, so I still want the physical media... Although TFA is the laziest, most unimaginative, and overrated piece of movie garbage ever made.....I still own Episode I and Episode 7 it is still a part of the entire SW saga regardless of how awful it is, so I'll get it eventually.... I think I'll do what I did with the LOTR and Hobbit Trilogies and just wait for the inevitable "ultimate" edition after Episode 9 hits the market... Who knows....maybe by then they'll release an ultimate 9 episode "Church of the Force" edition! L O L -b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 How many Oscars did TFA take home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanedas Bike Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 How many Oscars did TFA take home? This many; http://fortune.com/2016/02/29/star-wars-oscars/ -b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 If Rey isn't a Kenobi, I will accept her being a Dooku. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh9000 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 http://m.target.com/p/star-wars-the-force-awakens-blu-ray-dvd-digital-hd/-/A-50534650 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 If Rey isn't a Kenobi, I will accept her being a Dooku. If you know mythology and you know the Arthur legend, then you know exactly who Rey is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 If you know mythology and you know the Arthur legend, then you know exactly who Rey is. Ok maybe I am just still getting over this cold, but what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles316 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Ok maybe I am just still getting over this cold, but what? Lady of the lake bringing/returning Excalibur to King Arthur! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) Ok maybe I am just still getting over this cold, but what? I think we all pretty well know the connections between the OT and the Arthur legend at this point. Obi-Wan is Merlin, Anakin is Uther, and Luke is Arthur. Anakin's lightsaber is the Sword in the Stone and/or Excalibur. But we never see what happens to Luke after he and the Rebels bring peace to the galaxy. In essence, the OT leaves us with King Arthur at his height. But when TFA starts, we're beyond the end of the Arthur legend, without knowing what happened to get us there. In the legend, Arthur's nephew (and/or his illegitimate son) Mordred brings down the kingdom Arthur has built. While Mordred is ultimately defeated, Arthur is left mortally wounded. His broken body is taken away to the mysterious island of Avalon to recover, awaiting the day when he will be called back to serve Britain in a time of its greatest need. In TFA, Luke's nephew (and essentially his foster son) Ben brings down the new Jedi Temple/Academy, and a psychologically broken Luke hides away on a mysterious planet/island. This island, the long-lost site of the first Jedi Temple, is Luke's Avalon. The question we are left with is whether Luke is the "once and future king" like Arthur, or are we repeating the cycle again? Given the focus on the newer, younger cast members, I believe it is safe to say they are choosing to repeat the cycle. Beginning the cycle again with TFA, only Luke's true heir can wield his sword, and it is Rey who pulls it from the snow (read: stone) after it refused to be called to Ben's hand. Here Rey takes on the mantel of her father, Luke Skywalker, as Luke did before her. What happens from here is anyone's guess. Will Luke serve strictly as the Obi-Wan/Yoda/Merlin figure? Will he have more active role than that? Once upon a time there was a draft of RotJ that had Obi-Wan returning to his corporeal form, more powerful than ever, and fighting the Emperor (or something like that). Might Luke play a pivotal role in taking down Snoke? I guess we'll see. Had Luke played a larger role in TFA, I might be inclined to agree with miles316's interpretation. A starring role for Luke would have essentially solidified his place as "the once and future king," and Rey would be his Lady in the Lake, returning Excalibur to him. In that version, Rey's parentage would certainly be up in the air. Edited March 1, 2016 by Duke Togo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanedas Bike Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 ^If you weren't such a huge Star Wars fan and aficionado I'd brand this as high (get it?) fan fiction and move along. Regardless, I appreciate the thought behind that theory/explanation/musing - it's interesting. -b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) ^If you weren't such a huge Star Wars fan and aficionado I'd brand this as high (get it?) fan fiction and move along. Regardless, I appreciate the thought behind that theory/explanation/musing - it's interesting. -b. It's not even close to fanfiction. The mythological connections are real, and have been covered extensively over the past 30-something years. Lucas talked about it constantly. If you mean my guess at to where things go from here, well, I said it was a guess. Edited March 1, 2016 by Duke Togo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sildani Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I concur with Duke's analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I concur with Duke's analysis. Given how much on the nose the sword in the stone (snow) moment was, I can't take the Mordred/Ben and Avalon/First Jedi Temple parallels as just a coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanedas Bike Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 So I've never taken Star Wars for much more than what's been on screen, a science fiction epic. The one exception being the prequels as essentially an intergalactic Greek tragedy (in more ways than one if you want to be cheeky about the writing, acting and direction of the films). Young boy with destiny Meets girl with destiny Boy falls in love with girl Boy cannot be with girl because of duty, etc. Boy and girl defy duty, wisdom, etc - fall in love, have child/ren Boy fulfills destiny and in doing so kills girl and believes his child, who survives, has died as well Boy becomes the, or one of the, greatest villains the galaxy has ever seen I've heard/seen/read that Lucas took heavy influence from other works of fiction from Westerns to Samurai films, but never have I read about an inspiration being Arthurian Legend. That doesn't mean it's not out there, I'm simply saying I've never seen it (but I've never looked and I'm not a SW die-hard) and in that regards the post above read as the musings of people who really love Star Wars and are looking for, or have attributed greater meaning to the story. That is not at all intended to be a slight, it's pretty interesting stuff - even more so if filmmakers are using (good) mythology as inspiration. -b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danth Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I just hope they don't try to make it a surprise. That'll just be embarrassing. The only surprise will be if Rey is not related to anybody. I have my own theory on where Rey came from. A much cooler theory that still allows Rey to be "related" to Luke. It has to do with how they got Luke's old lightsaber. Not really too hard to guess with those hints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) I just hope they don't try to make it a surprise. That'll just be embarrassing. The only surprise will be if Rey is not related to anybody. I have my own theory on where Rey came from. A much cooler theory that still allows Rey to be "related" to Luke. It has to do with how they got Luke's old lightsaber. Not really too hard to guess with those hints. Originally, TFA opened with the lightsaber floating through space and falling into the atmosphere of where Maz has her establishment. That was dropped just before the film went into principle photography. It's now assumed that Maz acquires it through one of the many shady types she has around her place.Edit: worth noting that Maz Kanata is a force sensitive who chose to forgo Jedi training. She may be as old (or older) than Yoda. Edited March 2, 2016 by Duke Togo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 It's not even close to fanfiction. The mythological connections are real, and have been covered extensively over the past 30-something years. Lucas talked about it constantly. If you mean my guess at to where things go from here, well, I said it was a guess. Lucas has said a lot of stuff, a lot of which is demonstrably untrue. Star Wars being based in part of Fantasy is most likely true, any connection to the Arthur stories in particular is strained at best. Sure you have the young knight's Journey, but the part about Luke being the son of the great Darth Vader (the CHOOSEN one) did not come about till Empire Strikes back (and the actual chosen one malarky comes along even later). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Lucas has said a lot of stuff, a lot of which is demonstrably untrue. Star Wars being based in part of Fantasy is most likely true, any connection to the Arthur stories in particular is strained at best. Sure you have the young knight's Journey, but the part about Luke being the son of the great Darth Vader (the CHOOSEN one) did not come about till Empire Strikes back (and the actual chosen one malarky comes along even later). I don't bother with the prequels. There aren't worth the time or discussion. Whether or not you "buy it" is somewhat irrelevant, given how clear the connections are. Even a blind man could see, so to speak. Edited March 2, 2016 by Duke Togo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I don't bother with the prequels. There aren't worth the time or discussion. Whether or not you "buy it" is somewhat irrelevant, given how clear the connections are. Even a blind man could see, so to speak. I prefer not to make up connections that are not really there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I prefer not to make up connections that are not really there. LOL, ok then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I prefer not to make up connections that are not really there. They are not connections, but parallels. A connection would be if the lightsaber were forged from Excalibur, a parallel is saying that the lightsaber fills the same role as Excalibur. In that way Duke is right now up until the end of Empire. At that point Lucas took a left turn away from the Arthurian legend towards toy marketing and recycling his own stories. The prequels were a huge example of that. I am just curious to see where the storyline goes from here. Good analysis Duke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 They are not connections, but parallels. A connection would be if the lightsaber were forged from Excalibur, a parallel is saying that the lightsaber fills the same role as Excalibur. In that way Duke is right now up until the end of Empire. At that point Lucas took a left turn away from the Arthurian legend towards toy marketing and recycling his own stories. The prequels were a huge example of that. I am just curious to see where the storyline goes from here. Good analysis Duke. You can certainly argue that Lucas deviated from Arthurian legend when they started working on Empire. The first movie is this mashup of Flash Gordon, The Hidden Fortress, and Arthurian legend; with Empire, we're on the more traditional "hero's journey." It's all about the archetypes. Anyway, back to the topic at hand: it's pretty obvious who Rey's father is. The question we should be asking is who is her mother? That's what I am excited about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scyla Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 While there are strong indications who Rey's father is I'm not so sure if I would like that to become true. If Episode VIII has a big Who's your daddy at the end I will be disappointed. Can we please stop rehash the original trilogy? I'm also not so sure if they would try to copy the big reveal of Empire with Ep. 8 since the whole Internet is up in arms speculating who Rey's father is and we're at a point where we pinned it down thoroughly. I mean the only reaction you would get out of the audience would be a big: "you don't say" and I'm not hoping they are going for that. On the other hand the standard movie-goer might still be fairly oblivious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I don't think Luke being Rey's father is supposed to be a huge secret or some big twist. They lay it out there pretty plainly without directly saying it. I don't expect them to play it up like what happened in Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsain Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Honestly, that's why I liked the family reveal of Kylo Ren. It was just put out there. I think it's likely that Rey is Luke's kid, and if so, I hope they just let it flow organically. Something like: "Please train me, Master Skywalker." "Master Skywalker? <Rey's actual name>, it's me! I can't believe you're alive! ... Don't you know me? I'm your father..." But, you know, better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangard Ace Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Honestly, that's why I liked the family reveal of Kylo Ren. It was just put out there. I think it's likely that Rey is Luke's kid, and if so, I hope they just let it flow organically. Something like: "Please train me, Master Skywalker." "Master Skywalker? <Rey's actual name>, it's me! I can't believe you're alive! ... Don't you know me? I'm your father..." But, you know, better. "Daddy? Daddy?" Wahhhhh. "wait, you abandoned me on a desert planet for xx-years and forgot to come get me?!" "It was for your own good....from a certain point of view." "from. a. certain. point. of. view?!" lightsabre fx "die you bastard! die!!". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 The twist this time, 'oh you thought I was your father? No... wasn't me.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizman Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Rey was Darth Vader's clone daughter all along! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 > You can certainly argue that Lucas deviated from Arthurian legend when they started working on Empire. I'd argue that there are certain similar tropes and leave it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 "Daddy? Daddy?" Wahhhhh. "wait, you abandoned me on a desert planet for xx-years and forgot to come get me?!" "It was for your own good....from a certain point of view." "from. a. certain. point. of. view?!" lightsabre fx "die you bastard! die!!". I'd wager Luke is not the one who left her there. I was thinking more her mother, who happens to have an Imperial accent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I'd wager Luke is not the one who left her there. I was thinking more her mother, who happens to have an Imperial accent. You're not saying Phasma? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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