Mr March Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 (edited) To all those Macross book collectors out there, I need some help tracking down which books contain certain pieces of Macross 7 line art. While working on new art for the next update to my website, I once again came across what I'm naming the "revised versions" of the Varauta mecha from Macross 7. This line art is clearly different from the more commonly published versions found in books like Shoji Kawamori Macross Design Works. The Macross Chronicle has published some of these pieces in issue #21 and issue #35, but naturally, I need uncolored line art to work on it myself. I'll post pictures below to illustrate. "Revised line art" seems to exist for the Fz-109A Elgerzorene, the Fz-109F Elgerzorene and the Fbz-99G Saubergeran. The Az-130 Panzerzorene seems to be the only exception that does not have a "revision". These revisions actually aren't NEW. They've been around for many years, published in older Macross 7 books. I just don't know which ones. So I put the question to the Macross collectors, which books contain UNCOLORED line art of these pieces of revised artwork? Anyone have an idea? Pictures attached show the older versions followed by "revised" versions. Found a better Fz-109F and replaced the original pic I posted here (see below). Edited April 28, 2012 by Mr March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renato Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I could be wrong, but it seems like, rather than revisions, what you have there is detailed-up lineart for close-shots and more simplified models for wide-shots. These are common in animation. I realize this doesn't help you in tracking this material down, though, and I'm sorry, all my M7 books are in the UK. However, if I had seen this topic before last night, I could have hooked you up -- I happened to run into a guy whose friend works in the industry and he was showing off pages upon pages of smuggled A4 photocopies of the original lineart for Plus and 7. I'm sorry but it just did not occur to me to ask about the Varauta mecha. Check it out: On second thoughts, the differences in the shapes of some of the elements themselves in addition to the detail actually is starting to make me think that they ARE revisions, after all... Sorry! In any case, the guy should have had them, as one of the pictures I took shows two versions of Mylene's valk -- though staring at it for 2 minutes still didn't make me any wiser to the differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 In any case, the guy should have had them, as one of the pictures I took shows two versions of Mylene's valk -- though staring at it for 2 minutes still didn't make me any wiser to the differences. the one on the right has additional shadows to define the backpack parts. the inset showing the chest looks a little more refined and obviously there's the inset detailing the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted April 30, 2012 Author Share Posted April 30, 2012 You've got to hook me up with that guy you know, Renato. Some of those pieces are amazing. If anyone would have this art, it'd be him. And even if he doesn't have the Varauta mecha, just looking at your pictures clearly shows he's got some line art I've never seen before. The VF-11 perspective shot is amazing! I have discovered (thanks to Seto Kaiba) that the revised version of the Fz-109F Battroid can be found in the Macross 7 Sketchbook. But that's the only one. None of the other Varauta mecha revised art is to be found in that book, so it wouldn't be exactly what I'm looking for. Still, i suppose I'd like to get a hold of that book. But ebay doesn't seem to have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freiflug88 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Try Yahoo's Japanese auctions and Amazon.jp. A lot of Macross collectibles get posted there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobizon Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 why not try to contact jvmacross, the guy has the Macross 7 Sketchbook A and it seems has some varauta stuff in it. http://www.macrosswo...ndpost&p=967163 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renato Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 You've got to hook me up with that guy you know, Renato. Some of those pieces are amazing. If anyone would have this art, it'd be him. And even if he doesn't have the Varauta mecha, just looking at your pictures clearly shows he's got some line art I've never seen before. The VF-11 perspective shot is amazing! Yep. That's why I snapped that VF-11 shot, I'd never seen it before either. Unfortunately, like I said, I just ran into him and I don't actually have his contact info, sorry. I'm sure I'll bump into him again at some point, though. the one on the right has additional shadows to define the backpack parts. the inset showing the chest looks a little more refined and obviously there's the inset detailing the face. Yeah, the canards look to be a different shape too, and the locks of "hair" on the sides of the face are a different length too, it seems. The VF-11B shot was supposedly used to model the single shot where the guard battroid is walking past the perimeter fence of New Edwards in MacPlus. why not try to contact jvmacross, the guy has the Macross 7 Sketchbook A and it seems has some varauta stuff in it. http://www.macrosswo...ndpost&p=967163 But isn't that just a douga (in-between frame) collection? I don't think it has actual lineart models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 Freiflug88 This is useful for the one book I've identified that has what I need. But the biggest hurdle is knowing which book I need to buy. I kinda need to know the contents of the book before I can purchase. Don't have the time or money to buy everything, especially when most would just be reprints of what I already own. Lobizon That is definitely not what I am looking for. Those are animation pages. I'm looking for finished line art. Renato Well, if you ever do, I'd really appreciate it. If I could get photocopies of what he had, I'd be more than willing to pay for shipping and give him something for his time and effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renato Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Renato Well, if you ever do, I'd really appreciate it. If I could get photocopies of what he had, I'd be more than willing to pay for shipping and give him something for his time and effort. Sure thing. Don't be too disappointed if he refuses, though, understandably he reserves the right to keep it all from spreading across the net -- if he wanted that he probably would be doing it himself right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF5SS Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 http://www.otakubell.com/LDs/index.php?/category/261 there's some rare stuff in these LD jackets like the VF-19Kai with VF-1 packs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 http://www.otakubell...p?/category/261 there's some rare stuff in these LD jackets like the VF-19Kai with VF-1 packs No Varauta stuff I need, but I do see the VF-19 Custom with the Packs. That was colored and printed in the Chronicle. However, that VF-22 Sturmvogel II in Battroid mode with LARGE legs is definitely a rare piece of M7 art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF5SS Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Well the Steel Falcon guy had it somehow :v It's kind of terrible looking, honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I have all or nearly all the Macross 7 art books. Will try to look through in the next few days. Going out now. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 My thanks Graham. Auction prices seem low enough right now that I can afford multiple M7 artbooks. I've purchased the Macross 7 Sketchbook which will give me the Fz-109F, but I'll need a book that provides the other two pieces of art. Any insight would help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted May 9, 2012 Author Share Posted May 9, 2012 Okay, found this old scan of some book in my many archives of Macross images. It has both Fz-109 Elgerzorene images I am looking for. Anyone have any idea the book from which this scan was taken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdenham Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 (edited) I have the 4 Macross art books listed below I will look for the art as well. Macross 7 This is animation special art book Macross 7 Animation Materials art book Macross 7 Miss Macross art book Macross 7 Fire Bomber art book The Macross 7 Sketchbook is listed as being 8x12in is it 8in wide or 12in wide? Edited May 11, 2012 by rdenham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted May 13, 2012 Author Share Posted May 13, 2012 Thanks rdenham. I appreciate any help you can offer. The Macross 7 Sketchbook is 8 1/4 inches tall by 11 3/4 inches wide, because the book is printed in landscape rather than portait. Curious thing, when they call it a "sketchbook", they REALLY mean it. There is no table of contents, no page numbers and no header/footer pages with legal information. The book is literally single-sided pages that reprint Macross 7 line art. Some of the art is even "cutoff" around the edges with white space of the page edges removing small pieces of some fo the art. I wouldn't really recommend the book. It's notable for the large, full page prints of some line art and of course the Fz-109F Battroid "Revised" version and the Fighter/Battroid size charts. But other than that, you're best getting the Macross 7 art elsewhere. I'm really glad I got this book dirt cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 Found these: In this M7 furoku: I really need to organize my print media collection by series!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted May 18, 2012 Author Share Posted May 18, 2012 Thanks jvmacross. The FBz-99G Saubergeran is the commonly found type, but the two Fz-109 Elgerzorene mecah are definitely the rare art I was looking for. I'll look into obtaining this book. Just out of curiosity, is the line art for the Varauta Battroid fairly large on the page or is the art kinda small? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdenham Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) I found a head on line art pic of a "revised" Fz-109F Elgerzorene on page 35 of the "Macross 7 This is animation special" art book. I will take a pic and post soon. I could not find any other pics of the "revised" mecha in my other 5 Macross 7 art or picture books. I think my Macross manga & magazines will be a long short but I will look their next. Edited May 21, 2012 by rdenham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) EDITED: Okay, is see the picture you're now looking at upon page 35 of This Is Animation Special Macross 7. That does look like the revised version of the Fz-109F Elgerzorene in the size comparison shot with the other valkyries. I own this book too, so I've got access to that image already. I'm looking for the source materials for the images I posted in the pictures of my first topic post. I have the Fz-109F Battroid thanks to the Macross 7 Sketchbook but I need the Fz-109A Battroid and the FBz-99G Battroid. Thanks for looking. It's nice to know the images aren't in any of the books you listed. Edited May 21, 2012 by Mr March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 OK....so now I really want to know what book those images come from.... I wonder if they come from one of the game strategy books...like the psp games that feature all the valks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdenham Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Good idea about the game books being a source; I have all of them I will look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 one of the pictures I took shows two versions of Mylene's valk -- though staring at it for 2 minutes still didn't make me any wiser to the differences. I'm a little late, but check the lower knees, elbows/upper foream(inside), and wrists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdenham Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 The game books did not have any of the "revised" art work in fact there was not really much line art at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 The game books did not have any of the "revised" art work in fact there was not really much line art at all. ....the mystery continues Do you own the B-Club magazines....Macross 7 era?....think there are some dealing with the VF History, etc....I would have to dig mine out.....perhaps you have quicker access to them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted May 23, 2012 Author Share Posted May 23, 2012 Thanks so much for looking fellas. It really helps out a lot. If it's not too much trouble, could you list the books that don't have the art I'm looking for. At the very least it tells me what NOT to buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdenham Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) I found no revised line art in B-Club #145. I found a pencil board with the revised line art for a Fz-109F Elgerzorene. Edited May 24, 2012 by rdenham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Thanks so much for looking fellas. It really helps out a lot. If it's not too much trouble, could you list the books that don't have the art I'm looking for. At the very least it tells me what NOT to buy. Did you ever find the source for the line art you were looking for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) I found one or two pieces, but not the rest. I was directed to several rare, hard to find sources for some of the art, but ultimately tracking those down would be next to impossible. There's also little guarantee that the art appears in the books of a sufficient size and quality to actually create high resolution versions of them for inclusion on something like my website. So for the most part, I've been forced to abandon the search. I figured if the Macross owners really wanted this line art to be published, they would have made it more widely available. I suppose we should feel lucky the Macross Chronicle included as much of this alternative line art as it did. Though their use of the rarer line art in some profiles and adoption of the more common art in other profiles bewilders me I did find and color the variant line art for the Fz-109F Elgerzorene Battroid. As I pruchased more Macross 7 books I also found variant line art for the VF-19S Excalibur Battroid, which I have also colored for inclusion of the next update. Edited September 10, 2012 by Mr March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coronadlux Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 try this, He has a lot of torrent files. He recently posted some 7 stuff. He does a good job scanning too. http://archive-scans.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 Yes, I'm familiar with Archive Scans. I appreciate the thought, but sadly as great as that site is, the images there are typically not large enough or high quality enough for me to use on my website. As some may recall, I work in extremely high resolutions when coloring art, both for practical reasons and as preparation for larger display resolutions of future monitors. As my access to line art and scanning equipment has improved, I've only become more particular (worse? lol) about what I will use as scan for colored art. Currently, I'm working in sizes that range from 4,000 to 10,000 pixels, so I'd personally need access to the books in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coronadlux Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Yea, images of that size are very rare online. Those images would take up a lot of memory on any server. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akim Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 (edited) Okay, found this old scan of some book in my many archives of Macross images. It has both Fz-109 Elgerzorene images I am looking for. Anyone have any idea the book from which this scan was taken? The background of this pic ("the old scan") reminds me old Newtype (1990-2000)...I'm not sure...it's just an eventuality... Edited September 12, 2012 by akim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paramat Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) "Do my legs look big in this ... ?" Edited September 14, 2012 by paramat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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