I think it's time for V2 1/60 YF-21 and V2 1/60 VF-22S

[VF5SS]

Not saying its hard, but there's a lot of little joints going on in the shoulder and wing area. There's just way more things that move on the sv-51 than on other valks

Well the wings are just hinges, it's more the material used for the shoulders that is too finicky. If Yamato did that toy now, she'd be apples.

[eugimon]

Well the wings are just hinges, it's more the material used for the shoulders that is too finicky. If Yamato did that toy now, she'd be apples.

Hinges are always just hinges... That's why we call them hinges and not, say, monkeys. And yeah, they're just monkeys, but the point is there's an awful lot of monkeys packed into the shoulders and wing root.

[VF5SS]

I geso.

They're all nice and visible though.

[eugimon]

Well, yeah. I'm not arguing that the transformation is complex. Just that it is mechanically complex with a lot of shifting geometry

[VF5SS]

The wings are irrelevant to me. It's just a formality at this point :3

[anime52k8]

Next time they do a YF-21, they should make the legs and wings rubber air bladders wrapped around articulated frames so you can inflate them to achieve the massive change in size between battroid and fighter mode.

[VF5SS]

Or maybe we could discuss how line art, animation, and proportions work to convey ideas in still and moving images.

Or keep battying. Either way.

[Chronocidal]

And... the batty's back!

[Kicker773]

I think NO

[Graham]

There's many things I'd like to see from Yamato before we see a renewal version of the YF-21/VF-22, such as:

• 1/60 Full Armoured Thunderbolt.
  
• 1/60 VF-2SS with SAP.
  
• 1/60 VF-2JA.
  
• 1/35 Legioss.
  
• A renewal version 1/60 YF-19.
  
• A renewal version 1/60 VF-0S/A.
  
• 1/60 VF-0D normal & Shin colors.
  
• 1/60 Fz-109A/F.
  
• 1/60 VF-5000B.
  
• 1/60 VF-3000.
  
• 1/60 VA-3M.
  

With the need to keep the fighter mode slim, I don't think there is too much that could be done to bulk up the battroid mode of the YF-21/VF-22. The only real improvements I'd like to see are:

1. Locking landing gear.
   
2. Locking chest in battroid mode.
   
3. better parts fitting and reduced gaps for the belly plates and other small hinged doors.
   
4. Nicer sculpted gunpods.
   

Graham

[regult]

Back in the day, anime magic was king and toy/model designers would always have headaches trying to reconcile proportions in all 3 modes.

Today, there is CG animation and accurate 3D modeling, but Bandai still managed to pull out the V1 VF-25. That aside, I never got a VF-22 (despite the discounts) because of the tiny limbs, in fighter mode (my favorite) it looks great though.

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

There's many things I'd like to see from Yamato before we see a renewal version of the YF-21/VF-22, such as:

• 1/60 Full Armoured Thunderbolt.
  
• 1/60 VF-2SS with SAP.
  
• 1/60 VF-2JA.
  
• 1/35 Legioss.
  
• A renewal version 1/60 YF-19.
  
• A renewal version 1/60 VF-0S/A.
  
• 1/60 VF-0D normal & Shin colors.
  
• 1/60 Fz-109A/F.
  
• 1/60 VF-5000B.
  
• 1/60 VF-3000.
  
• 1/60 VA-3M.
  

With the need to keep the fighter mode slim, I don't think there is too much that could be done to bulk up the battroid mode of the YF-21/VF-22. The only real improvements I'd like to see are:

1. Locking landing gear.
   
2. Locking chest in battroid mode.
   
3. better parts fitting and reduced gaps for the belly plates and other small hinged doors.
   
4. Nicer sculpted gunpods.
   

Graham

An easier transformation from battroid to fighter as well. I think getting rid of delimiter mode would definitely aid in accomplishing that. I basically want a new mold that quality-wise, is on par with the Yamato Fire Valkyrie.

I mean I doubt it'll ever be made simply because the existing 1/60 YF-21/VF-22S sculpt is pretty good as is, but I would pay up for a new version.

[VF5SS]

Back in the day, anime magic was king and toy/model designers would always have headaches trying to reconcile proportions in all 3 modes.

Well that's great because the YF-21 and VF-22 were animated by people who understand consistent proportions.

In fact there's a lot of consistency in the design even with the fudging.

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

Should Yamato ever redo these I would love wings that lock into place. Floppy wings FTL

[Macross_Fanboy]

Naw. Sv-51 is easy peasy fo'sheezy.

Very easy, just fix the damn floppy left wing!

[VF5SS]

Pop the pin out and use some glue or nail polish.

[Chronocidal]

Umm... I'd suggest doing some research before recommending fixes, unless you've done them yourself.. The YF-21 (and the Sv-51 as well for that matter) doesn't have pins in the wings that you can pop out. It does have pins you can put glue/etc. on, but popping them out would likely require you to break the wings entirely, since they're sandwiched between glued layers of wing.

In any case, I definitely agree with Graham. There're a lot of other VFs that deserve attention before we get another YF-21... ESPECIALLY the YF-19.

I mean, the current YF-19 is already at least a generation behind the quality of the current YF-21. Can you imagine how sad it would be to display it next to one developed 6 years later?

Edited February 11, 2012 by Chronocidal

[VF5SS]

Umm... I'd suggest doing some research before recommending fixes, unless you've done them yourself.. The YF-21 (and the Sv-51 as well for that matter) doesn't have pins in the wings that you can pop out. It does have pins you can put glue/etc. on, but popping them out would likely require you to break the wings entirely, since they're sandwiched between glued layers of wing.

which pin are we talking about? They're all accessible to me ( ^w^) ;

The main hinge in the wing has that sliding diecast part to keep them stable. The main hinge near the body can be pushed out I think. Does event appear to have a knurl.

[Chronocidal]

I'm talking about the YF-21, since that's what the original "floppy wings" comment was about. Those pins don't come out unless you take the entire wing apart, and you're more likely to destroy it than do any good. Same for the outer pins on the Sv-51, they're sandwiched between the two halves of the wing, and those sliding pins don't always do such a great job.. mine just collapse anyway.

The inner ones you might get out, but I usually just drip some runny glue into the joint and work it back and forth as it dries. Easier than forcing the pins out.

[VF5SS]

does that help

[Chronocidal]

Sure, if you want to pry apart the glue, be my guest

[Jasonc]

Well, that's definitely different than pins. Nevertheless, there is a fix to getting those parts of the 22's wings to stay in place. If you put a little bit of styrene in there, it creates some pressure on the hinge, and makes it sturdy. I had that issue with my Milia version, and it worked for mine. NMB4M fixed it up on mine. I try to fix things without the glue, polish, etc. if possible. Glue is my last ditch effort.

[MILKAUTICO]

hola alguien ha hecho el escudo para los VF-22 de la cabina

hi someone has done the shield to the VF-22 from the cockpit

[Lobizon]

hi someone has done the shield to the VF-22 from the cockpit

Here you go...

http://www.macrosswo...showtopic=33120

[raptormesh]

I've got 5 of these birds and I'll still buy more if yamato makes a v2. I love both their battroid and gerwalk modes too, though I keep most of them in fighter mode. That being said, I'd rather they visit other designs because the birds are pretty good as it is. Retailers may be cautious in stocking up on these as well due to how the -22s have been performing in the market.

Actually the only way I won't get a v2 is if they are glossy.

Edit: VF5SS - they have ankle locks don't they? I have one standing in bmode for a year now without support and it's still pretty tight.

Edited April 22, 2012 by raptormesh

[Actar]

While I personally have no problems with the current 1/60 YF-21 in terms of its transformation (as I'm quite mechanically inclined when it comes to transforming toys), I actually wouldn't mind seeing a V2 of it. Why? The YF-21 is my all time favorite valk and I cannot say no to getting a better and improved version of one of my most beloved Macross valks.

[usagiz]

I wouldn't say no to an improved version of the current designs for the 21&22!

PS: anyone still have any of the vf-22s heatshield for sale, or willing to cast a new batch for the recent VF-22 sales???

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[MILKAUTICO]

Here you go...

http://www.macrosswo...showtopic=33120

thanks!!!!!

gracias!!!!

[505thAirborne]

There's many things I'd like to see from Yamato before we see a renewal version of the YF-21/VF-22, such as:

• 1/60 Full Armoured Thunderbolt.
  
• 1/60 VF-2SS with SAP.
  
• 1/60 VF-2JA.
  
• 1/35 Legioss.
  
• A renewal version 1/60 YF-19.
  
• A renewal version 1/60 VF-0S/A.
  
• 1/60 VF-0D normal & Shin colors.
  
• 1/60 Fz-109A/F.
  
• 1/60 VF-5000B.
  
• 1/60 VF-3000.
  
• 1/60 VA-3M.
  

With the need to keep the fighter mode slim, I don't think there is too much that could be done to bulk up the battroid mode of the YF-21/VF-22. The only real improvements I'd like to see are:

1. Locking landing gear.
   
2. Locking chest in battroid mode.
   
3. better parts fitting and reduced gaps for the belly plates and other small hinged doors.
   
4. Nicer sculpted gunpods.
   

Graham

Best suggestions are right here, I have a Max VF-22, I love it but if Yamato's is going to invest in anything new, the fighters below are my wish list!!

• 1/60 VF-2SS with SAP.
  
• 1/60 VF-2JA.
  
• 1/35 Legioss
  
• 1/60 VF-0D normal & Shin colors.
  

[Dimis]

May i add VA-1SS Metal Siren - looks like a ninja :-) and quite unique in terms of body proportions.

[Kurisama]

Just thicker bell-bottom shins and a more detailed gunpod + a slightly extended neck for better articulation would suffice for me.

[Scream Man]

if the price was right Id get a new YF-19 with the impvoements made on the 19's from Mac7. But other than wheel locks, i like my 21/22 as is.

[Raptor One]

YF-19 renewal and VF-0D are at the top of my list right now too.

Pretty sure if we do see a renewal YF-21 it won't be until after the inevitable YF-19

VF-19ACTIVE and VF-9 would be nice. (Dream the impossible dream).

[GU-11]

Personally, I'm satisfied with my current YF-21 and -22S Gamlin, fragile and finicky as they might be. Yamato Valks have never been cheap, and I'm hesitant to spend any cash on a new version of a Valk I already own.

That said, my YF-21 still hasn't been transformed once after its purchase a few years ago. I'm planning to put a coat of FFP onto the light blue paint on the feet before touching it. Heard too many horror stories of scraped paint during transformation.

[Agent-GHQ]

There's many things I'd like to see from Yamato before we see a renewal version of the YF-21/VF-22, such as:

• 1/35 Legioss.
  

I'm surprised you haven't mentioned that to Yamato!