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1/60 Yamato VF-4G Web-Exclusive Toy


Graham

VF-4 Poll  

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  1. 1. If you lived in Japan would you pre-order a VF-4?

    • I would pre-order but I'm not sure I can afford it.
    • Yes I would pre-order, but I would only buy it if it was under $300 (about 24000円).
    • I would pre-order it and buy it at any price.
    • I would pre-order it just to bump the numbers, but won't actually buy it.


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I can't comment on others' trepidation regarding the steep price of the VF-4, but for me it's not an affordability issue (I could buy multiples If I were so inclined), it's a principles thing: $400+ for a chunk of plastic and diecast is a lot of mullah, no matter how amazing the toy turns out to be, or how limited in numbers. Up until this preorder, $230 with shipping (no chump change) was my upper, self-imposed, limit on any toy, and the reason I refuse to buy a 1/3000 SDF-1, VF-19S/F/P, or VF-17S/D. So I'm still trying to decide why I thought it okay to commit, however tentatively, to an item that blows my cut-off point by nearly double its amount... :wacko:

My current world view is that the dollar isn't as strong as before and perhaps over the long recession we've been experiencing the market for these kind of collectibles dwindle because consumer demand isn't there for the manufacturer to produce these more affordably. I'm no financial analyst and I don't think you have to be to figure out that most of everything that you buy now a days has hiked up in price and I apologize ahead of time, if my response could be interpreted as condescending. Label me wacko for purchasing of what I deem to be as a work of art. Some people collect paintings which is just a canvas stretched over a wooden frame and sometimes pay exorbitant prices for it. Later to find out that the piece that they purchased has doubled in value.

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For me none of the collecting Macross toys is really about "investing", it's the fact that the valks give me a warm feeling when I look at them on display. I really wanted this valk for a while now and am willing to pay the price for it.

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For me none of the collecting Macross toys is really about "investing", it's the fact that the valks give me a warm feeling when I look at them on display. I really wanted this valk for a while now and am willing to pay the price for it.

+1

This is how I feel about all things I collect. Be it Macross, SOCs, Transformers etc. c",)

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I was ready to pull the trigger on two of these, but the website wouldn't accept my credit card for the order. So I tried again for just one, probably the more financially responsible move. It went through, so I'm just getting one, not the two I really wanted.

I hope these things come around again sometime, but at least I got one coming my way.

If Yamato does another wave down the line I probably won't be able to talk myself out of getting another. Definitely won't if it's a new paint scheme.

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That's what I tell my wife but she says that's not possible since I have so much stuff.

Simple. We have pyramids built for each of us so our tombs can be large and filled with all of our worldly possessions which we want to take with us to the afterlife.

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The price is getting crazier with each new product launch. I don't thinks it's the demand not there, but more of the manufacturers wanting to recoup the investment asap and/or they think that regardless of any price they put, people will still buy them heaps. One can call them greedy, but it's a free market...

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The price is getting crazier with each new product launch. I don't thinks it's the demand not there, but more of the manufacturers wanting to recoup the investment asap and/or they think that regardless of any price they put, people will still buy them heaps. One can call them greedy, but it's a free market...

I'm gonna say what may have been stated by others on occasion regarding the marketing aspect of the Macross license which is that it is not big as Transformers or Gundam. Those two examples, you would see see products that vary in price range and has a price appeal that can't be beat.

I don't know how Macross Frontier did with a world wide audience but it may not have been what Bandai was expecting in Gundam numbers. It may have brought some attention to the Macross universe but I'm not seeing Bandai products flooding the market. Yamato is much smaller and it's licensing deals have a small percentage of recognition which is one hit against them.

Another hit would be manufacturing a complicated product that it may not be ideal for a toy company to dole out the capital to produce a product avoiding the risk of speculative demand which is why you see these "Web Exclusives." So, I don't think it's greed on their part and I'm thinking that they would like noting more to produce these in heaps for the consumer to purchase at a reasonable price.

But over the long drawn out recession in countries that are keeping their money within their shores, I think Yamato had to look at it from a limited vantage point for keeping the company rolling through the rough fiscal turmoil. The Japanese Yen is at it's positive stride against the US Dollar and I see that HLJ had to take some proactive approach to keep their US customer base from being dormant patrons. I feel that if they loose those customers from abroad it would be detrimental since their business is a web english-centric consumer site. And on the other hand, Yamato is a manufacturer and it is not as flexible like HLJ where loss leaders could be implemented to keep them afloat. Yamato does not have another popular toy license to supplement them to invest in their next bold product development. It is really down to the consumer who has a voice in their company whether it has a thick skin in the toy arena.

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I don't know how Macross Frontier did with a world wide audience but it may not have been what Bandai was expecting in Gundam numbers. It may have brought some attention to the Macross universe but I'm not seeing Bandai products flooding the market. Yamato is much smaller and it's licensing deals have a small percentage of recognition which is one hit against them.

Harmony Gold owns the Macross license to the rest of the world. There was no "world wide" audience. Macross can only be shown/marketed in Japan.

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The price is getting crazier with each new product launch. I don't thinks it's the demand not there, but more of the manufacturers wanting to recoup the investment asap and/or they think that regardless of any price they put, people will still buy them heaps. One can call them greedy, but it's a free market...

Doesn't help that the Yen has appreciated quite a bit over the last few years. That has added quite a bit to the price of Yamato toys for overseas customers and that part can't be blamed on the companies pricing policy.

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Considering the poor shape of the US anime market, the poor sales ADV received when they did finally release original Macross in it's original form, and the fact that Bandai shuttered it's north American anime release branch back in January and announced they'd no longer be releasing anime beyond allowing other distributors to license series; it makes a lot of sense that these shows wouldn't be released world-wide regardless of problems with HG sitting on licenses.

It's not like the world anime market is booming, and it hasn't been since 2005 or so. If anything the US market has been shrinking by leaps and bounds if you count the sheer number of former anime releasing groups that have completely gone under since then.

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HG does not have the money to beat Bandai, IMO.

What does Bandai have to do with Macross? They're the distributor. Big West is the owner, and they'd be the ones squaring off in any legal battles.

All the legal stuff there is to know on the issue (quoted in the first post): http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=35826&st=0

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So up until now, NY is still the "cheapest" place one can pre-order the G. Almost makes me feel a little better securing one from them... almost.

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We'll see. :)

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:huh: What do you know? Spill the beans or suffer the consequences... :angry::mellow::unsure:;):p:lol:

Hahah...OK! I'll talk! I tried out a proxy buyer for the first time ever so I'm waiting on how much they're gonna charge me shipping. I hope this goes well but they seem on the up'n'up.

Only drawback is that you gotta pay the initial price of the item up front so I can see many of us already shying away. It's tough to part with all that money so early but I'm hoping it guarantees my order.

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Actually that's standard for NY. As they sell through their items they'll raise the price. They did this with the VF-171 as well. If you ordered sooner you got it for less.

Actually NY had lowered the price and put the 171 on sale for a week or two after I have already got mine from the pre order. After release it was actually cheaper for that small window of time. I think it was due to it not selling out like they thought it would.

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