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Pretty much, this film is essentially Macross Porn. Not high quality porn like EP 26, but Bang Bus style nasty stuff. Yeah it gets you off, but you feel kinda dirty afterwards.

Wow, that episode must have been too explicit for TV because the broadcasts in my area stopped at episode 25!

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I believe they just say VF-19. Which? They don't say nor should you care. It's just a freakin' cameo.

Great Mechanics.DX 17; Pg 103

"VF-19 SMS Isamu Specification

It's equipped with the VF-25's Super Parts. The point where it's equipped with canards makes it near that of the A specification".

And that's all there is to it.

EDIT: forgot the SMS in the specification.

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Wow, that episode must have been too explicit for TV because the broadcasts in my area stopped at episode 25!

LOL!

My area, too.

Huh??

Maybe he's referring to one of those TV's or portable game consoles that convert to faux 3D?

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I choose to believe that Sheryl wakes up and does a new concert with Ranka (in the credits!) and that Alto will come back some day whenever they encounter the Vajra again =)

Anyway, the movie was frantic, sometimes silly but always fun. Plus the music was great too. Thoroughly enjoyed it because I didn't come in expecting them to be completely serious. Plus the new way the characters were portrayed was very nice. I really liked Ranka, Sheryl and Alto as they were in this movie.

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i went like, "f**k yeah, Itano Circus!!" during the dogfight scenes.

the yf-19? words cannot describe what I don't even.

what a sad ending. does this ending sort of imply what might have happened to the trio in the tv series after the final episode? i've heard countless times that the 2nd movie was going to "tie up loose ends in the tv series".

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I almost want to say that's a typo in the DX mechanics----"approaches that of the A configuration"---wouldn't that imply it is the original YF, and that the newer super parts can boost its performance to match that of the refined, superior "A" version of the production model? Or in other words---the YF-19 w/VF-25 packs is approximately equal to a VF-19A, performance-wise. It's the only way I can make sense of what's said.

On a related note--studying the VF-27 in the movie leads me to believe that there's no chance of Bandai making the new pack for it. It's got a LOT more than just a new back-mounted booster. It's got YF-19-style leg missile launchers, forearm armor, and shoulder armor. The back boosters could easily mount where the fold booster does now, but the other parts---no way, and certainly not while still being able to fit together in fighter mode. (plus the -27's few minutes of screen time in the movie while almost never clearly showing the additions, gives Bandai little incentive to do it) (personally I kind of thought the boosters were silly/overkill--does the -27 really need MORE engines, of all things?)

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I almost want to say that's a typo in the DX mechanics----"approaches that of the A configuration"---wouldn't that imply it is the original YF, and that the newer super parts can boost its performance to match that of the refined, superior "A" version of the production model? Or in other words---the YF-19 w/VF-25 packs is approximately equal to a VF-19A, performance-wise. It's the only way I can make sense of what's said.

If you don't like me scanlation, here's the original text:

"カナードを装備している点や機体形状はA型に近い。”

PS "near" might be closer in nuance than "approaches"

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Honestly for me, I wish that they would have taken some more time between Ozma's "death" and the final battle. I wanted to see Cathy and Bobby mourning for Ozma or something. I think in terms of the love triangle, this film handled it spot on. The grander galaxy plot could have been fleshed out more. Maybe let the film have 15 more minutes to give it some breathing room.

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Huh??

Maybe he's referring to one of those TV's or portable game consoles that convert to faux 3D?

Yes my TV is 3D capable

i wish some sub group would release a ps3 or a samsung smart tv compatible version (h264/ac3/srt) files

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I didn't watch the first movie when it came out in order to see them both as a long feature. It was worth the wait. This is Frontier as it should have been. The movies work, the characters shine (Alto, Shery & Ranka) and the Macross feeling is there.

Welcome back Shoji.

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Forgive me if this has been covered, and I know I'm grasping at straws here, but... well that's what fans tend to do.

Anyway, I noticed this when watching the sub...

smsguys.jpg

The guy in the middle of those three... the shape and color of his hair looks familiar. Are you thinking who I'm thinking?

Those are SMS mainteinance personnel uniforms, but I also thought it could be

Isamu.

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Might be writing a longer review for it, but I have to say, as a Macross fan, I thoroughly enjoyed all the little tid-bits and easter eggs that they threw in from the various other Macross series. The Fire Bomber outfits, the Bird Man ending and of course Isamu's cameo.

The characterization and plot progression is much smoother this time round, as many people have already attested to, but of course, this would be a given, considering that they had the luxury of editing down the TV series. The use of fans's preconceived notions of the series and the changing familiar plot points was pretty neat as well. That being said, just like the TV series, I just couldn't get into any of the characters. Alto, Sheryl, Ranka... They all felt so 'distant' and I just didn't feel like cheering for any of them. The closest I ever came to rooting for a character would be during the manly Ozma scenes.

I do think that it is ingenious how they were able to keep the movie relatively different from the TV series, but kept the key scenes and occurrences similar enough to allow people to recall the TV series. For instance, the Galia 4 incident became the Alcatraz scene, with Ranka wearing the exact same outfit and singing 'Seikan Hikou' - which I have to admit is one of my favorite Ranka songs.

Concert scenes were great and the visuals were stunning. However, I have no idea why Sheryl and Ranka's songs don't get me as fired up during the battle scenes as opposed to Fire Bomber's music... I know its weird for me to say this, considering that this is Macross, but I think that they overused the songs in this movie. After awhile, they began to sound all the same, possibly due to the same two voices and similar sounding pop music. In my opinion, I don't think that their songs stand out from each other enough. Would have loved to have heard more of the exciting battle BGM.

Did anyone notice the classic Tezuka stuff playing in the background of the hospital scene in the beginning? I caught Black Jack and The Mighty Atom (Astro Boy). ;)

Lastly, with regards to the Commie's subs, really sad to see that the Macross staple, Reaction Weapons/Missiles/War Heads were translated as something else. No honorifics either, but I don't think anyone else cares but me.

Speaking of the VF-19, I really wonder how it transforms into Battroid mode with those FAST packs attached on the wings...

...and a freaking surfing Macross Quarter and Captain? Now I've seen everything.

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Lastly, with regards to the Commie's subs, really sad to see that the Macross staple, Reaction Weapons/Missiles/War Heads were translated as something else. No honorifics either, but I don't think anyone else cares but me.

Personally, I dislike leaving the honorifics in unless the show in question is set in Japan, with Japanese characters. But that's neither here nor there, really.

I watched the subs and thought Commie did a pretty great job, especially considering how quickly they made them.

Oh, and there's at least one scene that's been altered on the DVD...that scene where the computer readout says "SMALL INTESTINES"...? In the theater, that read "SMALL INTESTINESS." :lol:

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Personally, I dislike leaving the honorifics in unless the show in question is set in Japan, with Japanese characters. But that's neither here nor there, really.

I watched the subs and thought Commie did a pretty great job, especially considering how quickly they made them.

Ah, that I unfortunately can't agree with. In my opinion, subtitles should translate what is said and not take into consideration where the show is set in, England, Fantasy Land or otherwise. Lest we forget, Anime is a product of Japan and the characters are speaking Japanese. To me, that's all that matters. Questioning why the characters are speaking Japanese in England or a non-Japanese setting is akin to asking why Japanese and foreign characters in US cartoons all speak English, regardless of setting. I don't really want to get into a long drawn debate on the importance of honorifics, because I've already been through that numerous times, but let's just say that I'm a staunch advocate of literal subtitles. Of course, we each have our own preferences and I'm just putting my views up there.

But yeah, other than the occasional mistranslation and missed lines here and there, I have to give it to them that they did a remarkably good job in terms of accuracy and speed.

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You're not alone in wondering who the heck those three guys are. I also paused the movie to try and identify them. As has been previously mentioned, they appear to be crew members from the Quarter.

There was a similar trio in the background at the end of the series standing next to Elmo Kridanik. Again, I have no idea who they are and why they're there. I initially thought they were the Diamond Force pilots, but they are wearing SMS garb.

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Those are SMS mainteinance personnel uniforms, but I also thought it could be

Isamu.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Grasping at straws, right? But it would be cool...

Maintenance uniforms, huh? Hmm... that connection is gonna take a lot more straw-grasping...

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If you don't like me scanlation, here's the original text:

"カナードを装備している点や機体形状はA型に近い。”

I was thinking more "Y" vs "V" as the typo. Frankly--I've seen it a lot in asian languages and those two letters get accidently swapped a lot.. The USS Rooseyelt is fairly famous now among model plane owners.

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I was thinking more "Y" vs "V" as the typo. Frankly--I've seen it a lot in asian languages and those two letters get accidently swapped a lot.. The USS Rooseyelt is fairly famous now among model plane owners.

Well...we COULD just go with the novelization of the movie, which claims it's a VF-19ADVANCE...whatever that is...

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Well...we COULD just go with the novelization of the movie, which claims it's a VF-19ADVANCE...whatever that is...

I'm going to go with that. Makes far more sense to me than the idea that the only way to get the yf-19 up to par with the 19a is to retrofit boosters from 25 years later on it.

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Liked this ending more than the TV version. The TV version seemed like it was just going thru the motions of emulating the original series. And I liked this movie far better than the first one which was boring to me. This was a lot more fun, specially the rescue mission/concert.

I would have preferred a VF-25 with new armor over the Durandal but whatever.

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Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the VF-29 myself. Its armament I liked but somehow I'm not so enamored with its lines like I was with the YF-19 or the VF-23. The Battroid mode is fine though.

Then again, I didn't really feel much for the VF-27 either (although I loved the classic look of the VF-25).

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I was thinking more "Y" vs "V" as the typo.

Ahh, I C.

Well, the rest of the article contains numerous mentions of VF-19, VF-19E, VF-19EF, and a YF-19.

The interview with Dr. Chiba includes a reference to a "VF-19E Isamu Special". But that appears to be the interviewer speculating, as Dr. Chiba immediately corrects him by saying the parts look closer to the A type.

I think a lot of posters have forgotten that the VF-19A looks nearly identical to the YF-19...

... and it's more likely that S.M.S. is fielding a mass-produced model that has easier access to replacement parts than an extremely limited experimental production model which may or may not have even survived testing or ending up in a museum...

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Was anyone else also lip-syncing the words to Seikan Hikou during the prison concert scene?

I've never been a fan of the moe character archetype, but lately... :rolleyes: I'm also beginning to find the tsundere's to be completely irresistible, no matter how moe they come...

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I'll probably have to elaborate more later, but off the top of my head, I definitely enjoyed the movie.

Some things I really liked:

1. They explicitly stated this time around what the songs were doing to the Vajra: they were jamming their communications. It was a much less mystical/spiritia-ish treatment in the movie than the series.

2. Big Wednesday. Nuff said.

3. Sheryl and Ranka both had much better characters I think, as well as Alto.

4. Acapella Northern Cross. Just wow. That's already probably my favorite song from the entire series...well, either that or Diamond Crevasse, which I also prefer the acapella version of, for the same reason: the impact from the way those songs are used is just massive. I admit I didn't recognize it right off, because it was so slow, but I think that's absolutely the best usage I've ever seen of that song. I need to re-read the lyrics, but I don't think they've ever fit better than in that scene.

I have to watch it again on my big screen for the full effect (once I get the encoding issues with the Commie release fixed), but I have to say I liked this one better than the first movie. The ending of the first one just never made sense to me at all (like, ok, you rescued Ranka.. now get to the shel-... WHY ARE YOU STILL SINGING?), and while the constant conspiracy plot twists were a bit disjointed, I think it was a solid story.

I would say now we have to wait for a Flashback 2059 to show what happened later, but I think that already happened.. which reminds me, I need to find that and watch it. ^_^

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My first thought when I read that the VF-19 that isamu flies is close to the A model, I thought that it meant that it approaches the specs of the VF-25A, but maybe I am wrong....

Twich

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