Knightdramon Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Just got the bird today, it's a really solid offering IMO. The instructions could be shorter as I mostly transformed mine from gerwalk to battroid without looking at them, plus having some limbs\belly covers popped off in the booklet didn't really help me make out the poor B\W photos. It looks killer in all modes [did not expect to like gerwalk] but putting it back to fighter mode was underwhelming. Are there supposed to be any "gaps" on the sides [mostly in the forearms-shins resting area] when put back? Also, are the belly covers in any sample locking firmly together in place? Mine always leave a small, almost unnoticeable gap [especially with the fastpacks], and squeezing them together just unsecures the locking tabs for the thrusters area. Any guideline pictures of the sides\back when in "perfectly transformed" fighter mode would be aces, thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurance Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I've had mine for about five weeks now, and I've transformed it many many times. I consider myself a fairly meticulous person, so I am very precise with the transformations. 1) Yes, there are gaps around the forearms in fighter mode, simply because the forearms have a somewhat curved aesthetic that has to fit into a straight fuselage. The gaps are not very big, however. 2) I could never get the belly plates to come together completely. Just like you, squeezing them together unseats some other tabs. I've never been able to find a way to "fix" this; however, the gap is very small, and I've just chalked it up to complexities in engineering and number of parts, after a couple hours of poking/prodding/looking around with an LED flashlight. The perfectionist in me says that it could be even better, but as it is, with its (very) small flaws, the YF-21 is a stunning bird in all forms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 In the rare occasions the belly plates come together at all, I've never seen them hold without a gap for more than about 2 secs. Not without other parts popping out. You can either have the belly gap gone, OR have the rear fuselage fit together. Not both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightmareB4macross Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I've had mine for about five weeks now, and I've transformed it many many times. I consider myself a fairly meticulous person, so I am very precise with the transformations. 1) Yes, there are gaps around the forearms in fighter mode, simply because the forearms have a somewhat curved aesthetic that has to fit into a straight fuselage. The gaps are not very big, however. 2) I could never get the belly plates to come together completely. Just like you, squeezing them together unseats some other tabs. I've never been able to find a way to "fix" this; however, the gap is very small, and I've just chalked it up to complexities in engineering and number of parts, after a couple hours of poking/prodding/looking around with an LED flashlight. The perfectionist in me says that it could be even better, but as it is, with its (very) small flaws, the YF-21 is a stunning bird in all forms. I had this problem as well, but until I figured out that the reason the belly plates were not flush is when i noticed that the hips are the culprits. What you have to do is push the connecting bar for the legs into the main body while at the same time pushing it towards the fuselage. It is kind of hard to describe but once you try and achieve what I am explaining you'll see the parts remain flush. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynx7725 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 In the rare occasions the belly plates come together at all, I've never seen them hold without a gap for more than about 2 secs. Not without other parts popping out. You can either have the belly gap gone, OR have the rear fuselage fit together. Not both. Can be done. The legs have to go in a very specific way in a specific pose at a specific place, and you end up bending the belly plates a bit, but can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF5SS Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I wonder what Yamato did to make the VF-22's plate fit perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logos Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) I find that if you can't get the belly plates to close the gap enough, you need to play with the positioning of the arms and legs. There is a sweet spot they should be in so pay particular attention to the pictures on how the arms and legs are placed in fighter mode in the manuals. Note on included pic that I have the arms extended. The hands grabbing the ankles/soles of the feet and the ever important shoulder placement. Also make sure that you have the feet as symmetrical to each other as possible. Note that it will never be "perfect" but usually I don't get much closer than this. All the tabs are holding and while there is a little bit of a gap there has to be for all the tabs to stay in place properly as far as I am concerned. Note that while I can get the plates to join perfectly here the second I move the toy the tabs that hold the plates in at the rear will pop loose. Remember that shoulder placement is just as critical as the leg placement here. PS sorry about the pics being a little over exposed I was trying to do this quickly during my coffee break and I just threw the camera into auto to save time. Edited October 30, 2009 by logos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mospeadamacrosstech Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 This is true of mine as well. But honestly, I can over look it, cause this toy is near perfection. I actually love mine more than the YF-19! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 That's what I'm saying--you can close them, but you can't make them seamless/flush. If anyone can (while NOT popping the rear fuselage apart on top) please post pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignacio Ocamica Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 There is an exact positioning of the legs where the knees don't touch each other. There's a hole on the grey piece from the back of the knees that becomes visible with an extra click. This extended position causes the legs to be completely straight when tucked in, to avoid rubbing against each other and putting pressure on the belly plates. There was a paper insert on my manual showing this. Hope my poor english clarifies it I can take pictures when I get home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logos Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) There is an exact positioning of the legs where the knees don't touch each other. There's a hole on the grey piece from the back of the knees that becomes visible with an extra click. This extended position causes the legs to be completely straight when tucked in, to avoid rubbing against each other and putting pressure on the belly plates. There was a paper insert on my manual showing this. Hope my poor english clarifies it I can take pictures when I get home. Yep it works. Fiddled with the legs so that the sat a little more straight and Viola...> Edited October 30, 2009 by logos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mospeadamacrosstech Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Yep it works. Fiddled with the legs so that the sat a little more straight and Viola...> Logos, my wife thinks your signature is really funny. And I bet she thinks it's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logos Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) Hehe yeah....... ........anyway even got the stupid fast packs to go on straight for a change.---> Edited October 30, 2009 by logos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightdramon Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 The belly plates on mine connect as much as the first pictures logos posted, I'm going to try later on to see if I can get them as the second set. Didn't know that the fingers grasping the ankles in "stoaway" mode made that much a difference... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Just got the bird today... hahahaha!! not a good sentence to start with there mate after transforming the YF-21 numerous times I gave up on getting the belly perfectly shut, those legs are a pain to align Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logos Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 The belly plates on mine connect as much as the first pictures logos posted, I'm going to try later on to see if I can get them as the second set. Didn't know that the fingers grasping the ankles in "stoaway" mode made that much a difference... They help the end plates/cabs close correctly so they are in far enough to give the nubs on the belly plates the purchase they need. My first pics I didn't align the legs properly. After getting the knees parallel to the fuselage I then adjust them so that I got that "slight" gap between the knees. I then put the belly plates back and started fiddling a bit till I got the gap to pretty much close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignacio Ocamica Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Yep it works. Fiddled with the legs so that the sat a little more straight and Viola...> Glad I could help Aligning the legs makes a huge difference!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 logos--please show me the top of the plane too, when the belly plates are closed. On mine, the upper rear fuselage always "pops up" if the plates are closed fully. I know the knees are not the problem on mine. I am well aware of the "extra click and the little hole". (I have actually fully disassmbled the knees for repair, and am very familiar with their inner workings---same for the backpack). If anything I think mine's issue is actually the grey metal bar. I think once I got it fully clicked in. Every other time, it's only like 90% of the way in but will NOT go further. That or the shoulder. Though the part the nozzles are attached too, where the belly plates latch into at the rear--also always an issue. The plates often slip sideways out of position. ::edit:: Hunh. I just got this to happen, while maintaining "as good as mine gets" for the upper rear plate. (I seriously think my back plate has a mold flaw or something---it will NOT lay flush with the middle/forward section---I've got stress marks from forcing it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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blacklotus Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 She's a beauty, ain't she? Of all the Valks I've bought all these years, I still love the VF22S the most because of the colour scheme and the advanced stealth mode look, which ironically is no longer in active production in real life (B2s and F-22s) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignacio Ocamica Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 ::edit:: Hunh. I just got this to happen, while maintaining "as good as mine gets" for the upper rear plate. (I seriously think my back plate has a mold flaw or something---it will NOT lay flush with the middle/forward section---I've got stress marks from forcing it) I have two YF-21's and the VF-22 and the rear plate does not lay flush with the middle/forward section on any of them (in fighter mode). I guess it was designed this way??. In gerwalk mode there's no problem to extend the backplate an extra 1/2 millimeter to make it sit flush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I've seen pics of YF-21s with perfect backplates in fighter mode, lots of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignacio Ocamica Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I must be doing something wrong then Will look into this when I get home. Could you find out why the grey bar on your sample does not go fully in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logos Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 logos--please show me the top of the plane too, when the belly plates are closed. On mine, the upper rear fuselage always "pops up" if the plates are closed fully. I know the knees are not the problem on mine. I am well aware of the "extra click and the little hole". (I have actually fully disassmbled the knees for repair, and am very familiar with their inner workings---same for the backpack). If anything I think mine's issue is actually the grey metal bar. I think once I got it fully clicked in. Every other time, it's only like 90% of the way in but will NOT go further. That or the shoulder. Though the part the nozzles are attached too, where the belly plates latch into at the rear--also always an issue. The plates often slip sideways out of position. ::edit:: Hunh. I just got this to happen, while maintaining "as good as mine gets" for the upper rear plate. (I seriously think my back plate has a mold flaw or something---it will NOT lay flush with the middle/forward section---I've got stress marks from forcing it) Yeah it's not sitting totally flush. It's not crooked but it is raised a little bit. If I remove the fast packs it gets allot better.........maybe a case of damned if you do damned if you dont? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firmpulse Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Yeah it's not sitting totally flush. It's not crooked but it is raised a little bit. If I remove the fast packs it gets allot better.........maybe a case of damned if you do damned if you dont? logos, i'm still having trouble...the legs on my 21 don't seem to want to extend for "an extra click". i even have the extra translation sheet, but the dang thing is so dark it's hard to tell whats going on. could you snap a pic or two or maybe give a bit more clarification? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mospeadamacrosstech Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Hehe yeah....... ........anyway even got the stupid fast packs to go on straight for a change.---> THAT is AWESOME. Those fast packs are so damn aggravating. I'm trying this trick right now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mog Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 (edited) logos, i'm still having trouble...the legs on my 21 don't seem to want to extend for "an extra click". i even have the extra translation sheet, but the dang thing is so dark it's hard to tell whats going on. could you snap a pic or two or maybe give a bit more clarification? Not sure if this is what you're referring to, but we mentioned this awhile back in one of the old YF-21 threads: Linky with color picture attachments. On my custom YF-21, I also "cheat" and take off the kneepads when going back into fighter mode (minimizes the paint-rub ). Doing that might help out a little bit when you're trying to get the -21 back into fighter mode. Edited November 6, 2009 by Mog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0n5t3r Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 That's what I'm saying--you can close them, but you can't make them seamless/flush. If anyone can (while NOT popping the rear fuselage apart on top) please post pics. took me a while to figure that out, doh... but yeah, on mine the back part doesn't pop up even if i squeeze the belly plates tight (and i like to make sure them feet/toes are properly aligned too...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firmpulse Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 (edited) Not sure if this is what you're referring to, but we mentioned this awhile back in one of the old YF-21 threads: Linky with color picture attachments. On my custom YF-21, I also "cheat" and take off the kneepads when going back into fighter mode (minimizes the paint-rub ). Doing that might help out a little bit when you're trying to get the -21 back into fighter mode. yes! and thank you mog! that helps a lot, but what i'm REALLY needing is a pic with the legs positioned correctly before the belly plates are closed. now i have to figure how to get the 21 transformed correctly WITH the rear fuselage in place this thing is a beaut of a puzzle and i love it...but DANG. it is without a doubt the most difficult thing to transform that i have ever owned. i've had it since release and only transformed it twice. i could never get the belly plates to behave correctly so i just displayed it with the fast packs on and left it alone (my fast packs aren't wonky like most i've read about). i never even realized the fuselage was supposed to set flush. maybe i should try chucking it against the wall...i've read in another thread that will produce interesting results Edited November 6, 2009 by firmpulse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Yeah----my -21 won't have the back plate that flush no matter what---even with the legs and belly plates entirely removed from the plane. I can't even force/hold it in place that well-aligned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firmpulse Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Yeah----my -21 won't have the back plate that flush no matter what---even with the legs and belly plates entirely removed from the plane. I can't even force/hold it in place that well-aligned. interestingly enough i got my back plate to sit flush with no problem what-so-ever. however, i am still having trouble with the legs. could someone who has gotten this process to work snap a photo with the legs positioned correctly with the belly plates open? it would be a great help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logos Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 (edited) yes! and thank you mog! that helps a lot, but what i'm REALLY needing is a pic with the legs positioned correctly before the belly plates are closed. now i have to figure how to get the 21 transformed correctly WITH the rear fuselage in place this thing is a beaut of a puzzle and i love it...but DANG. it is without a doubt the most difficult thing to transform that i have ever owned. i've had it since release and only transformed it twice. i could never get the belly plates to behave correctly so i just displayed it with the fast packs on and left it alone (my fast packs aren't wonky like most i've read about). i never even realized the fuselage was supposed to set flush. maybe i should try chucking it against the wall...i've read in another thread that will produce interesting results If you look at the picture I provided it's almost perfect. The legs need to be perfectly aligned with each other viewing from the top (edit: while leaving the slight gap between the knees) and the back of the VF. It is tricky and taking the knee pads off might help you out a bit. Edited November 12, 2009 by logos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retracting Head Ter Ter Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Yeah----my -21 won't have the back plate that flush no matter what---even with the legs and belly plates entirely removed from the plane. I can't even force/hold it in place that well-aligned. You are not alone... It drives me nuts. But even with all that, everything I hold the dang thing in fighter mode I think its the most bleepin' beautific valk toy ever made by FAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugundamII Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 You are not alone... It drives me nuts. But even with all that, everything I hold the dang thing in fighter mode I think its the most bleepin' beautific valk toy ever made by FAR. if i only had the time to fiddle even after getting the new version i just use scotch tape the armor plates are horrendous i stiil think rhe best 21 is the 72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uxi Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Once I figured out how hide the hole in the knee joint, from the old YF-21 thread, I had no problems getting the belly plates closed... is the backpack supposed to go down flush, though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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